Any update on the possible release of the next models of amps?

[helotaxi 46]

Any idea when we can expect these bad boys or still looking at "some time in the undetermined future?"

[sundownz 197]

Still looking at about the same

The SAE-50.4 will be the first of the announced models to come, followed by the SAE-75.2, and finally the SAX-250.2 will come after that. I will be tweaking the design for all three models compared to the prototypes shown. The next revision of the SAE-50.4 design is due in a little over a month or so... and hopefully I'll have production models by the end of the year.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

The 250 is the one I am waiting for. (pending if I have money for it when it comes....)

[Silverbane 0]

The 250 is the one I am waiting for. (pending if I have money for it when it comes....)

Me too, I think a 250.2 and a pair of Sonance components will play a nice one!

[sundownz 197]

Seems alot of folks are interested in the 250.2 in the net' market. MSRP is going to be around $499 - $599 on it when it is released depending on what metal prices look like by that time and how much I beef it up from the proto. I really want the 250.2 to be a monster... like the 100.2 but 250% bigger Do you guys care if it's a surf board?

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Well if it is 2x the size of the 3kD then you might have some trouble selling it. But heck, my older Orions are freaking huge, a pair of 1500D's stacked would be nearly the same space as my 2500D and put out more power.

[criticalaudioinc 0]

i wouldnt make it longer the the 3000d but making it near the same size will allow better cooling and more power so surfs up!

[dopey 0]

Surfboards rock!

[theabunai 3]

Do you guys care if it's a surf board?

Water proof Jacob.. Waterproof... you'll have a winner for sure *goes to find my surfboard wax)

What kinda output you were thinking at (stereo and bridged) ?

[sundownz 197]

Do you guys care if it's a surf board?

Water proof Jacob.. Waterproof... you'll have a winner for sure *goes to find my surfboard wax)

What kinda output you were thinking at (stereo and bridged) ?

I want to do it's rating at 12.5 volts no sweat... 250 x 2 @ 4 ohms and 1000 x 1 @ 4 ohms. That is the idea

[audio-neon 34]

Do you guys care if it's a surf board?

Water proof Jacob.. Waterproof... you'll have a winner for sure *goes to find my surfboard wax)

What kinda output you were thinking at (stereo and bridged) ?

I want to do it's rating at 12.5 volts no sweat... 250 x 2 @ 4 ohms and 1000 x 1 @ 4 ohms. That is the idea

So we are looking at close to 500 watts x 2 @ 2 ohms??? Can anyone say crazy 8" mid-bass amplifier?

[dopey 0]

Will it do 2ohm mono?

Edited July 10, 2007 by dopey

[sundownz 197]

Will it do 2ohm mono?

Nope, it's not a high current amp.

I've been thinking of making an SAZ multi-channel that is high current in 2009 or so.

[bigjae1976 0]

How about a 250.4? That would be bad@ss. IIRC, there are plans for a 5/6 channel amp as well? I'd love to see a 100.4 and an SAE-1000D combined into a badass 5 channel amp that is little longer than a 3000d. I would definitely get that.

I remember to old US Amps VLX-400 which is the longest amp that I can remember seeing. Awesome amp and works great...if you it will fit into your car.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

I like the idea of a 6 channel, but I think the market is growing smaller for them. I might need to snatch up a JBL 755.6 GTO II just to have it in case. Few people actually run active, while most people desire more power than the average 6/7 channel can do on the sub channels. Jacob, I think a viable option would be to merge a 100.4 and 1000D under a 3000D heat sink. SAX-100.5 ?

As for a 250.4, not sure if people will really buy a larger 4 channel than the SAX-100.4. There are plenty of people running the 100.4 for their entire system.

[sundownz 197]

Indeed, much larger than the 100.4 and cost gets out of line with what people really want to spend. I might consider a 150.4 or something along those lines, though. Much more reasonable to build. A 250.4 would be a 2000-watt RMS A/B amp when bridged at 4 ohms... that would be *expensive* I'm guessing around $1200 or so MSRP if I built it.

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Oh yah... I tested the 250.5 proto a bit yesterday. I got 1092 watts @ 4.85 ohms actual load with 13.8 volts dropping to 12.45 volts. The DCR of the load was 1.9 ohms (DD 9512 Dual 4 in parallel) -- it was the only way I could get anywhere near 4 ohms actual in my single sub test box.

Using a nominal 4 ohm load (TC9 based D2 sub in series) I got as high as 618 watts @ 12.34 ohms actual load.

[theabunai 3]

that 1092 Jacob was that on the sub mono channel ?

what was the rated power, I will be putting together a small system in the wifes car maybe end of this year and a 5 channel would be great

[sundownz 197]

that 1092 Jacob was that on the sub mono channel ?

what was the rated power, I will be putting together a small system in the wifes car maybe end of this year and a 5 channel would be great

Oops... typo! I meant to write SAX-250.2 prototype. Rated is 1000 watts @ 4 ohms. So, it did exceed that number. I am revising the existing 250.2 board stronger power supply FETs, higher voltage caps, and a much better crossover. Of course, the existing proto ran on a 1.9 ohm DCR for well over an hour when I was testing it so it's durable as it is. Still looking at next year for it, though You know I test everything extensively. With the revisions it should do everything I want it to without resorting to an incredibly large chassis.

So far I don't have anything planned for a 5-channel, but perhaps a 6-channel where you could bridge channels 5+6 for 600 watts @ 4 ohms. This would be useful, also, for 3-way active setups and whatnot.

I'll put it on my "to-do" list to see if I can possible get something like the SAE-1000D and SAX-100.4 in one chassis... unfortunatly I am fairly certain I would have to lose several of the crossovers features to fit in any controls for the D-Class channel. If you have seen the 100.4 you know it's end-panel is already stuffed full.

[theabunai 3]

DAMN typos DAMN DAMN I thought you let the cat out of the bag LOL... All this talk of 5 channel subliminally got to you LOL

Oh well, that is pretty impressive output numbers and with stronger mosfets I am guessing you can squeez a bit more with stock type voltage (the 12V~13V systems).....

I was thinking of possibly grabbing a 100.2 and one of your new 50.4 for her car if a 5 channel isn't out by years end... I am thinking of running some Comp sets and 1 sub a 10 or 12 (ssa icon probably) with the 100.2 bridged as it's power.... I hope that 50.4 has the same X-over set up as the 100.4 will make the install much easier LOL....

the only thing is the Acura TL OEM deck is REALLY hardcore integrated into the car, So i'm gonna have to pick up like an Audiocontrol OEM interface or something along those lines....

Edited July 11, 2007 by theabunai

[///M5 2,833]

annel, but perhaps a 6-channel where you could bridge channels 5+6 for 600 watts @ 4 ohms. This would be useful, also, for 3-way active setups and whatnot.

I'll put it on my "to-do" list to see if I can possible get something like the SAE-1000D and SAX-100.4 in one chassis... unfortunatly I am fairly certain I would have to lose several of the crossovers features to fit in any controls for the D-Class channel. If you have seen the 100.4 you know it's end-panel is already stuffed full.

With the price of an active deck these days I really don't think anyone should be using their amps for crossovers anyways. A gain block is really all that is needed.

[sundownz 197]

DAMN typos DAMN DAMN I thought you let the cat out of the bag LOL... All this talk of 5 channel subliminally got to you LOL

Oh well, that is pretty impressive output numbers and with stronger mosfets I am guessing you can squeez a bit more with stock type voltage (the 12V~13V systems).....

I was thinking of possibly grabbing a 100.2 and one of your new 50.4 for her car if a 5 channel isn't out by years end... I am thinking of running some Comp sets and 1 sub a 10 or 12 (ssa icon probably) with the 100.2 bridged as it's power.... I hope that 50.4 has the same X-over set up as the 100.4 will make the install much easier LOL....

the only thing is the Acura TL OEM deck is REALLY hardcore integrated into the car, So i'm gonna have to pick up like an Audiocontrol OEM interface or something along those lines....

Rockford 3Sixty.2 for the win, that is all I had a world class sounding system in my BMW (when I had it) with the factory head unit. Nick at Stereo Integrity couldn't believe how great is sounded with factory HU and factory speaker placement, thanks to the 3Sixty.2 unit.

A 5-channel will NOT be out be years end, I will tell you that up front. The SAE-50.4 may be out by then, though. I am working on giving it as much crossover flexibility as possible, but we'll have to see how much I can get in it at it's price point. Since the 50.4 is an SAE amp you may want to consider the SAE-1000D to match heatsink wise if that is important to you.

[bigjae1976 0]

I'll put it on my "to-do" list to see if I can possible get something like the SAE-1000D and SAX-100.4 in one chassis... unfortunatly I am fairly certain I would have to lose several of the crossovers features to fit in any controls for the D-Class channel. If you have seen the 100.4 you know it's end-panel is already stuffed full.

I wouldn't miss the crossover. You can use the crossover on your head unit for a simple front/rear/sub setup. Or, if you want to go with a tweet/mid/sub active setup, most will either use an external EQ/over.

I like the idea of a 5/6 channel, saves a lot of space, installation headaches, time, wire, and cost. The sub channel is never really that powerful where you can get a good amount of bass.

You can call it an SAX-1400.6 and it would be a truly unique product. I haven't seen a 5/6 channel with a 1000 watt sub channel. I think there are a lot of family oriented guys who need their trunk (like me) who would love to have something like this.

[audio-neon 34]

I'll put it on my "to-do" list to see if I can possible get something like the SAE-1000D and SAX-100.4 in one chassis... unfortunatly I am fairly certain I would have to lose several of the crossovers features to fit in any controls for the D-Class channel. If you have seen the 100.4 you know it's end-panel is already stuffed full.

I wouldn't miss the crossover. You can use the crossover on your head unit for a simple front/rear/sub setup. Or, if you want to go with a tweet/mid/sub active setup, most will either use an external EQ/over.

I like the idea of a 5/6 channel, saves a lot of space, installation headaches, time, wire, and cost. The sub channel is never really that powerful where you can get a good amount of bass.

You can call it an SAX-1400.6 and it would be a truly unique product. I haven't seen a 5/6 channel with a 1000 watt sub channel. I think there are a lot of family oriented guys who need their trunk (like me) who would love to have something like this.

Doesn't the memphis belle, the big one have a 1300 watt sub channel @ 1 ohms.

[vladd 26]

belle is 1100W @ 1ohm on the sub and 75W @4ohm on the 4ch side.

I'd love to see a 250.4 in the ms1000 style. Just get a little more than 2x the heatsink length and you're set. I'm with a few of the others too, i'm 100% ok with the amps losing any and all crossovers.

if you go with a 5ch it should be at least 100W on the a/b side and 1000W on the D if it's a 6ch then 5/6 should be 2ohm mono stable IMO

[dopey 0]

What about a 100.6 with gain pots only.