Question about setup and items to buy, im noob plz help

[Florida_Audio 55]

Im in florida.
 i have a 2013 hyundai elantra coupe and am looking to upgrade my sound system. its all stock. was thingking about getting just 2 front component speakers and a new stereo. hopefully this would help improve sound alot? the stock audio is complete shit sadly.

so later i would like to get 2 rear coaxial speakers, an amp for the 4 speakers, and possibly a tiny subwoofer. the subwoofer would be my last purchase if i even get one.

so what component speakers and stereo would u guys suggest me?  im looking for cheaper options and options that allow me to upgrade later on. id assume i only need 4 outputs on stereo? im a total noob at this, so any help is nice. thanks.

these are what i have in mind for now. let me know if u suggest something else or if these are good? im willing to spend up to around $120 for 2 front speakers and i around $100 for stereo. looking for most bang for the buck.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-pVbdqhtcdpI/p_105KWR910B/JVC-KW-R910BT.html?tp=5684

or maybe this one

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-Kl0JpXYMDbL/p_113DPX301U/Kenwood-DPX301U.html?tp=5684

these speakers

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_500SPS610C/Alpine-SPS-610C.html?tp=106

cheaper on amazon by alot

http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPS-610C-Component-Type-S-Speaker/dp/B004THAWHG

or these

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_113KFCP709/Kenwood-KFC-P709PS.html?tp=64033&l=Q&

also cheaper on amazon by alot

http://www.amazon.com/Kenwood-Kfc-P709Ps-6-5-Inch-Performance-Component/dp/B0037PH2CY

both speakers can be found for a shit ton cheaper on amazon, which i also posted links to

the alpines seem nice, except that some people say the tweeters are too high pitched for them?

and the kenwood are nice because i think they can fit in my front and rear doors. so wondering if its a good idea to allow for the same speakers in front as back, so as not to mix them up?

also id be getting some sound deadener mats installed into the front door panels.

anything else i missed or you would suggest?

also to get these installed the local shops want to charge quite alot... ive heard that people on this forum may be kind enough to help out if they live near by? :}

thanks alot!

[Florida_Audio 55]

or should i splurge a bit and get these type R instead of the type S? big over double the price for the type R. and they also have type R or type S coaxial speakers that i can get for the rear if i want to. ive heard that you really dont need to get rear speakers?

http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPR-60C-Audio-Component-System/dp/B004VBIEZW/ref=sr_1_1?s=automotive&ie=UTF8&qid=1457860955&sr=1-1&keywords=Alpine+SPR-60C+6.5%22

or a different brand/speaker?

for the crossover on these can you change the db by hand without needing to go into the door panel?

ive heard people say these have too harsh highs, so they change the crossover to -2 or -4 db to make it sound better?

im new at this, and not exactly sure where the crossover is placed after installing speakers, or how easy it is to change the settings on it?

Edited March 13, 2016 by Florida_Audio

[Notorious97200 339]

I would get the type R component for the front door, nothing in the rear. And a 4 channel amplifier, so that you can easily add a little subwoofer later. 

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, Notorious97200 said:

I would get the type R component for the front door, nothing in the rear. And a 4 channel amplifier, so that you can easily add a little subwoofer later. 

ok thanks so you think the alpines are a good brand speaker?

cause budget, would it be alright to just get new stereo and front speakers for now, and amp and rear speakers later?

wondering if the front component type R alpine will be okay without an amp?

and what amp would you suggest? probably just need a cheap amp?

[Notorious97200 339]

 If you want cheap, buy cheap, or used. 

No need for rear speakers. Keep that budget for a sub and its box. 

[THX_Elite 26]

In my honest opinion, it's best to slow it down. Focus and buy one thing at a time while keeping your end goal in mind.  When doing what your wanting to do the best thing is to start with the HU (stereo) then move on to speakers.  Pick out what will work for your end goal and is within your budget.  As for what particular brand of HU you should get...nobody can or should decide that but you.  I would recommend looking at http://www.sonicelectronix.com  They have good selections, prices, reviews and service. After you pick your HU for sure, then decide what you want for speakers.  Alpine's, kenwoods, fosgates...etc. are all great.

[Florida_Audio 55]

ok thanks guys for replies :]

ive heard i should get these for the speakers

http://www.amazon.com/RING-6-5BZ-Speaker-Recess-MOUNTING-SPACER/dp/B00K5Q9D7U

and also sound deadener for the doors. what brand or type of sound deadener would u all suggest?

okay so u suggest i get new headunit, then 2 front component speakers.

but i have a tiny 2 door car, so id assume the rear speakers would help a decent amount later because its such a small car and can hear from the back easy enough?

what type of sub and amp for sub would u suggest? i never really planned on getting a sub, but the more i read, the more it seems like a good idea. i dont really want or need huge bass, just a bit is enough. whats a cheap budget thing i can do for this? plz keep in mind i wont be making the box myself.

i was suggested to get sound deadener from here:

http://www.soundqubed.com/Q-Mat_c_31.html

and i guess id only need the speaker kit? and only 1 kit? cause 2 sheets, one for each door?>

 

and was suggested this amp:

http://www.amazon.com/Hifonics-ZRX616-4-Channel-Amplifier-ZRX6164/dp/B00YDF61DI/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?ie=UTF8&keywords=4%20channel%20amp%20kit&pi=AC_SX236_SY340_QL65&qid=1457717469&ref_=mp_s_a_1_13&sr=8-13

i am considering one of these two stereos:

jvc brand

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_105KWR910B/JVC-KW-R910BT.html?tp=5684

 

kenwood brand

http://www.crutchfield.com/p_113DPX301U/Kenwood-DPX301U.html?tp=5684

 

any input is welcome as always, if u agree or disagree, or think i should do something different, please comment, thanks again!

[frogcase2002 393]

The ppi p900.5 would be a pretty decent amp for a whole system. Would be a 4 chan. And a chan. For a sub also. . Mite be a little out of your budget though

[frogcase2002 393]

Do you have a location where your able to mount tweeters from a component set

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, frogcase2002 said:

The ppi p900.5 would be a pretty decent amp for a whole system. Would be a 4 chan. And a chan. For a sub also. . Mite be a little out of your budget though

thanks but yea a bit expensive lol

looking to spend around 100 bucks for the amp

unless it would be cheaper in the long run to get a 5 channel amp. 4 channel for speakers and 1 channel for sub? also would save room cause only need 1 amp and not 2?

 

1 hour ago, frogcase2002 said:

Do you have a location where your able to mount tweeters from a component set

to be honest i dont know.  if i dont have a location to mount them, am i able to make something so they will fit?

i plan on bringing my items into a local shop to have them help me out and set things up. i would assume and hope they would be able to find a way to mount the tweeters in a good position?

 

also it looks like with the alpines that as of now i want to get, unless i see a better speaker or something, the alpine component and coaxial are around the same price. so if i want to get the rear speakers later on, would the component speakers in rear be a better option over the coaxial if they are the same price?

i heard to just put coaxial in the back? do coaxial have more bass? any reason to not use components in the back as well if they are the same price?

edit: just noticed they are 50 bucks different.... guess i would just buy the cheaper ones. unless theres any reason component in the rear would be good too?

front component

http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPR-60C-Audio-Component-System/dp/B004VBIEZW

these are rear coaxial

http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPR-60-Coaxial-Type-R-Speaker/dp/B004VSTYI6

Edited March 14, 2016 by Florida_Audio

[THX_Elite 26]

not sure if you noticed but this is important and goes to show what I meant about knowing your end goal.  Neither of those HU's have subwoofer preamp outputs!  you would not be able to hook up an amp for even a small sub.  You WOULD be able to run the Hifonics amp for the fronts and rears but no sub.  Look at the details on this one just for example http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_108635_Kenwood-DPX502BT.html...it DOES have 3 sets of preouts: front, rear AND sub.  ...always good to keep your options open. Hifonics amps are descent for their price and down the road you could buy a small mono block to run a sub

Edited March 14, 2016 by THX_Elite
elaboration/addition

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, THX_Elite said:

not sure if you noticed but this is important and goes to show what I meant about knowing your end goal.  Neither of those HU's have subwoofer preamp outputs!  you would not be able to hook up an amp for even a small sub.  You WOULD be able to run the Hifonics amp for the fronts and rears but no sub.  Look at the details on this one just for example http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_108635_Kenwood-DPX502BT.html...it DOES have 3 sets of preouts: front, rear AND sub.

ok thanks for the info! just to clarify, if i got one of the 2 stereos i posted, then you are saying that i cannot use a sub? and if i wanted then i would be required to purchase a whole new stereo? wondering if theres another way to hook up an amp for sub? any chance a tiny sub would not require a separate amp, so i can just use 1 amp thats 5 channels for each speaker, and the sub?

the stereo you posted that has the sub preamp output, seems a bit pricey? or is that a common price for stereos with that extra feature for sub preamp?

i tried looking for the sub preamp output on clutcherfield for compatibility for my car, but only 2 were shown to fit. and i didnt like either one that was shown as having sub preamp outputs.

i thought any stereo should fit almost any car? weird how only 2 showed up?

how do i tell if that fits my car?

Edited March 14, 2016 by Florida_Audio

[THX_Elite 26]

look carefully on the link I sent you. next to the pics it says "will this fit my ride" check vehicle.  you might get by with a 5 channel to run a sub(even with a HU like this, that does have a sub preout just in case you want to upgrade)I just think its better to keep options open

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, THX_Elite said:

look carefully on the link I sent you. next to the pics it says "will this fit my ride" check vehicle.  you might get by with a 5 channel to run a sub(even with a HU like this, that does have a sub preout just in case you want to upgrade)I just think its better to keep options open

im confused. so are you saying that depending on the power needed by speakers and subwoofer that i might be able to use only 1 amplifier?

im looking at sonicelectronics thanks, didnt know they had that compatibility search which helps alot!

but it looks like 4 channel amps are 1/3 the price of 5 channel amps... so maybe it is better to just get a 4 channel amp and then a mini amp for a subwoofer?

any reason to find a single 5 channel amp instead of two amps, one being 4 channel and the other a mono channel amp?

would that put too much stress on my car battery if i got 2 amps?

[THX_Elite 26]

Sonicelectronix is a wonderful business. IMO a 4ch for fronts and rears and a mono for sub is best. Your car will handle a small 4 channel and a small mono with lower watt sub like you want no problem. 

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, THX_Elite said:

Sonicelectronix is a wonderful business. IMO a 4ch for fronts and rears and a mono for sub is best. Your car will handle a small 4 channel and a small mono with lower watt sub like you want no problem. 

ok thanks appreciate it

so by small do u mean the "mini amp"? or just small as in low wattage?

and around how many watts do i want from an amp? do ohms matter much?

any brand amp is fine? or what to look out for?

im actually trying to think about what i want my setup to be overall. thanks for the suggestion!

so im considering all parts now. 4 speakers, headunit, amp for speakers, amp for subwoofer, and the subwoofer.

i saw some 8 inch subwoofers for as cheap as 20 bucks. but maybe id go with a 50 dollar subwoofer? dont really want crazy bass.... and would i put an 8 inch in the trunk? since its a tiny car, id assume its fine?

[THX_Elite 26]

1. when I say "small mono" for the sub, I mean lower wattage.

2. I don't normally do this but to help you I will this once to make it simple. For your price range and desire...I   confidently recommend this amp http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_44493_Hifonics-Zeus-ZRX600.4.html from this website for your front and rears. you wont have to worry about ohms at this level of stereo build, this amp will power any component speakers within your available budget.  

-Picking components is next but I'm not going to confidently recommend any like I am the amp.

3. For the sub amp (when you get there, there is no hurry) I recommend this.  It is stable down to 1               ohm.  http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_67917_Hifonics-Zeus-ZRX1200.1D.html

4. An 8 inch sub is fine in a PROPER BOX for the paticular subs specs. But again I will not confidently recommend any at this price range.      

 -that sub amp will be MORE than enough power for any sub you want within the price range you describe.

Take your time...start with the HU, then the 4ch amp & components. 

[Florida_Audio 55]

16 hours ago, THX_Elite said:

1. when I say "small mono" for the sub, I mean lower wattage.

2. I don't normally do this but to help you I will this once to make it simple. For your price range and desire...I   confidently recommend this amp http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_44493_Hifonics-Zeus-ZRX600.4.html from this website for your front and rears. you wont have to worry about ohms at this level of stereo build, this amp will power any component speakers within your available budget.  

-Picking components is next but I'm not going to confidently recommend any like I am the amp.

3. For the sub amp (when you get there, there is no hurry) I recommend this.  It is stable down to 1               ohm.  http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_67917_Hifonics-Zeus-ZRX1200.1D.html

4. An 8 inch sub is fine in a PROPER BOX for the paticular subs specs. But again I will not confidently recommend any at this price range.      

 -that sub amp will be MORE than enough power for any sub you want within the price range you describe.

Take your time...start with the HU, then the 4ch amp & components. 

thanks for the help! im guessing you dont want to suggest speakers because they all sound different to each person?

the amp for speakers you suggested seems good. but the speakers i want are 4 ohm and max 110 RMS per speaker. the amp you posted is 75 RMS per speaker. i assume getting 100 RMS per speaker would sound better? but would it be noticeably different? and i think a bigger amp would cost more too. might not be worth the cost for bit extra RMS?

weird too.... i found out that these coaxial speakers do NOT fit my rear ? online it says the coaxial dont fit rear of car. but the component and coaxial are the same size? and online it says the components DO fit the rear. How is this possible?

http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPR-60-Coaxial-Type-R-Speaker/dp/B004VSTYI6

 

but the component of them do fit the REAR and the FRONT?

http://www.amazon.com/Alpine-SPR-60C-Audio-Component-System/dp/B004VBIEZW

so should i just get 2 pairs of components? and the rear components i guess i would need to do a surface mount for the tweeters?

but the front components, should i do a flush mount for tweeters? it seems like flush mount for tweeters is best for front?

 

ALSO BIG QUESTION, super confused on the number of channels needed for 4 speakers and 2 amps? 1 amp for the 4 speakers, and the 2nd amp for a sub woofer.

you mentioned to get outputs, front, rear, and sub. so if it has these 3, i only need a 4 channel, not a 6 channel, correct? i was talking to someone and they said i would need a 6 channel... 4 channels for the 4 speakers and the sub woofer would need 2 RCA, a left and right RCA connection. so they said to get 6 channels? but that doesnt make sense to me?

so question is.... can i get a 4 channel stereo with 3 outputs, front, rear, and sub, to power 2 amps and 4 speakers? 1 amp for speakers, and one amp for subwoofer?

or do i need a 6 channel stereo with 3 outputs, front, rear, and sub?

as of now, looking at this stereo, unless another is suggested?

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_93021_JVC-Arsenal-KD-AR765S.html

 

also theres the option for subwoofer output or mono-subwoofer output, ill probably be getting a mono amp for the subwoofer? so does it matter which output?

Thanks again!

Edited March 14, 2016 by Florida_Audio

[frogcase2002 393]

Front rear and sub outputs from the head unit would be 6 rca hookups 4 for the 4 chan amp and 2 for sub

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, frogcase2002 said:

Front rear and sub outputs from the head unit would be 6 rca hookups 4 for the 4 chan amp and 2 for sub

ok thanks. just to clarify though...

the "channels" in the stereo, are referring to RCA hookups, right? so i would need a 6 channel stereo? that has the 3 outputs, front, rear, sub?

[THX_Elite 26]

3 sets of preamp outputs has front left and right, rear left and right and sub left and right.  the 4ch amp has front left and right and rear left and right inputs.  that will run your all 4 doors

about the option for sub or mono sub output.  Choose the standard "sub output", that will give you left and right bass signals into the same sub

so you will see on the back of the HU "6" rca outputs thats what you want.

[THX_Elite 26]

you said the components you want do 110watts MAX @ 4ohms (that number means very little).  What that means is they will run around +/- 50watts RMS.  The amp I recommended is capable of pushing 100watts RMS to your 50watt RMS components @ 4ohms.  MORE than enough!

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, THX_Elite said:

3 sets of preamp outputs has front left and right, rear left and right and sub left and right.  the 4ch amp has front left and right and rear left and right inputs.  that will run your all 4 doors

about the option for sub or mono sub output.  Choose the standard "sub output", that will give you left and right bass signals into the same sub

so you will see on the back of the HU "6" rca outputs thats what you want.

ok thanks again! appreciate all of your input, been a great help :]

so you are saying thats what the preamp outputs are for. so then that means a stereo with 3 sets of preamp outputs is a 6 channel stereo?

if so, then i guess calling them 4 channel or 6 channel stereos is not a good way to describe them? its better to say the preamp outputs it has, as in front and rear only, or front, rear, and sub?

if i understand this correctly?

Edited March 14, 2016 by Florida_Audio

[THX_Elite 26]

yes, two channels for front(left and right), two channels for rear(left and right) and two channels for sub(left and right)

[Florida_Audio 55]

1 hour ago, THX_Elite said:

yes, two channels for front(left and right), two channels for rear(left and right) and two channels for sub(left and right)

ok thanks alot, now it makes sense :]

now that i understand this part, got stereo and speakers, and amp covered for now.

ill get a stereo with 3 preamp outputs, front, rear, and sub.

ill get a pair of alpine type R component speakers for the front.

and then the amp that you suggested.

 

so for now i guess i am set? anything else i would need to cover?

 

i will plan on upgrading to a small subwoofer and small mono amp later on. and possibly a pair of rear speakers.

sound deadener is a question and the speaker baffle? and speaker ring recess?

should i get speaker baffles just because they sort of cheap? they cant hurt can they? help with sound?

and would the speaker baffle replace needed these speaker rings? should i even get these speaker rings?:

http://www.amazon.com/RING-6-5BZ-Speaker-Recess-MOUNTING-SPACER/dp/B00K5Q9D7U

and this sound deadener good?

http://www.soundqubed.com/Q-Mat_c_31.html

heres link to the deadener im looking at more specifically, just need 1 order of these right?:

http://www.soundqubed.com/Q-MAT-Speaker-Kit_p_215.html

Edited March 14, 2016 by Florida_Audio