new enclosure for the zcons

[frogcase2002 393]

What all do I need to model my zcon for the new enclosure? About to start building and want to have the enclosure design as good as I can.

[Sencheezy 689]

Goals. Equipment. Vehicle. Preferred listening material. Available space. Like, c'mon. Does no one read the rules. One does not simply model for Shits n giggles.

[jcarter1885 995]

All you need to model is paper clips, hair spray and a lingerie. Good luck

[frogcase2002 393]

All you need to model is paper clips, hair spray and a lingerie. Good luck

O ok. Didn't know that. Ill try

[frogcase2002 393]

Goals. Equipment. Vehicle. Preferred listening material. Available space. Like, c'mon. Does no one read the rules. One does not simply model for Shits n giggles.

I have read the rules and know the info I need to put when posting a "help design" post. I'm meaning like what do you use (programs or what ever) like what shows an enclosure design will work better than others

[smashedz28 110]

Define better.

[frogcase2002 393]

Define better.

A flatter response. I'm not sure what you use to see the responses of enclosures

[Fi 4 life 0]

WinISD. There are loads of calculators like RE but are not as accurate. But in the end its trial and error because we don't have any ideas what your tastes or restrictions are....

[Fi 4 life 0]

And for someone using zcons..... You should have a little better handle on these things, those are not starter sub's.

[frogcase2002 393]

And for someone using zcons..... You should have a little better handle on these things, those are not starter sub's.

Im not just starting out in audio or something. I just have usually had other people design my enclosures and others enclosures I build because I don't have a computer. Yes they are not "starter" subs but I'm not starting out. Iv been running the zcon model since a little after they came out.

[pmureika 31]

You are going to need a computer or see if someone on the forum will design you a box.

[Tenacious 32]

If you're going for SPL, go ahead and throw away any ideas of modeling. Nothing beats trial and error and experience, no matter what anyone says. The cabin will affect the enclosure greatly, and I happen to know quite a bit about the Taurus/Sable...  Shoot me a text if you still have my number and want to know anything specific. My new box should be going in soon, and I'll let you know how that goes: same subs, same car, trunk sealed off, and an 8" aero. I think I'm going to start off with around 4.5 cubes since they'll be on a JBL Crown 6k soon.

 

If you just want a pretty flat response, check out some of these spreadsheets http://audio.claub.net/software/jbabgy/jbagby.html

[frogcase2002 393]

I got an idea of the design I'm going to try next. I'm just wantin to know how to see the frequency response and stuff like that

[Tenacious 32]

I got an idea of the design I'm going to try next. I'm just wantin to know how to see the frequency response and stuff like that

Unless you're taking the acoustic properties of the cabin of the car into consideration, the enclosure will have an entirely different response once in the car.

[lithium 358]

What all do I need to model my zcon for the new enclosure? About to start building and want to have the enclosure design as good as I can.

 

go with the recommended enclosure spec from SSA. 

 

if you have you're limiting dimensions someone could probably design the box for you. 

[frogcase2002 393]

What all do I need to model my zcon for the new enclosure? About to start building and want to have the enclosure design as good as I can.

 

go with the recommended enclosure spec from SSA. 

 

if you have you're limiting dimensions someone could probably design the box for you.

I can design the enclosure. As in the cubic feet and tuning (port length) and figure cut sheet and build really good. . I just always see people talking about that you can see frequency response and port velocity and stuff like that. .... that's what I was trying to figure out

[Fi 4 life 0]

What we are saying is that on paper and according to a software you could have a "perfect" box for what you want, but once its in your car those numbers mean little... Very little.

[lithium 358]

 

 

What all do I need to model my zcon for the new enclosure? About to start building and want to have the enclosure design as good as I can.

 

go with the recommended enclosure spec from SSA. 

 

if you have you're limiting dimensions someone could probably design the box for you.

I can design the enclosure. As in the cubic feet and tuning (port length) and figure cut sheet and build really good. . I just always see people talking about that you can see frequency response and port velocity and stuff like that. .... that's what I was trying to figure out

 

 

SSA already figured it out. that's where their numbers come from. 

[lithium 358]

What we are saying is that on paper and according to a software you could have a "perfect" box for what you want, but once its in your car those numbers mean little... Very little.

 

wait how the fuck do you think SSA came up with enclosure recommendations in the first place? i understand that the program doesn't model in car response but no one here is claiming that it does. 

[///M5 2,833]

I got an idea of the design I'm going to try next. I'm just wantin to know how to see the frequency response and stuff like that

Unless you're taking the acoustic properties of the cabin of the car into consideration, the enclosure will have an entirely different response once in the car.

Which is rudimentary 101 in modelling. Trial and error is stupid without modelling.

[Tenacious 32]

 

What all do I need to model my zcon for the new enclosure? About to start building and want to have the enclosure design as good as I can.

 

go with the recommended enclosure spec from SSA. 

 

if you have you're limiting dimensions someone could probably design the box for you. 

 

 

I second this. 

[frogcase2002 393]

Why is everyone thinking I'm trying to have someone design an enclosure for me. . . I'm trying to see if there is a way to see the frequency response and stuff like that with trying different size enclosures and port size and power.

[lithium 358]

winisd is pretty simple. plug in the t/s specs and the enclosure size. but drawing any conclusion or comparisons between enclosures requires a bit more understanding. 

Edited February 14, 2014 by lithium

[Tenacious 32]

Why is everyone thinking I'm trying to have someone design an enclosure for me. . . I'm trying to see if there is a way to see the frequency response and stuff like that with trying different size enclosures and port size and power.

 

It's not really that, it's just that you can't be completely sure about the response unless you also take the cabin into consideration. I believe our car generally has a small peak in the low 40hz region

[frogcase2002 393]

Why is everyone thinking I'm trying to have someone design an enclosure for me. . . I'm trying to see if there is a way to see the frequency response and stuff like that with trying different size enclosures and port size and power.

It's not really that, it's just that you can't be completely sure about the response unless you also take the cabin into consideration. I believe our car generally has a small peak in the low 40hz region

Iv usually peaked right around 30-32 with most enclosures I have tryed. Even when i tuned enclosures different Edited February 14, 2014 by frogcase2002