what does everyone think of this.....?

[bobby_7 0]

http://www.hookedontronics.com/show_produc...s.jsp?cid=16975

i am working on saving up some money for a new setup. i know i have posted here before looking for subs and here i am, still looking, sorry. i am very indecisive anyways, i think i have brought my decision down to getting one 12". considering ported but if i go sealed i can make the box myself and it would be cheaper. i am really liking this setup above, i have been looking at type R's and it is ported and most tuned correctly. only problem is i cant find any info on it. cant find what it is tuned to or anything. i am going for SQ/LSQ. i guess i will throw in some of the other choices i have been looking at.........

1 RL-P 12

[JimJ 11]

The two tens in a proper box...

[bobby_7 0]

if i were to get the 10's, they would stay in my prefab box for a while till i got around to building a box for them. i wouldnt go ported if i went with the 10's, i would stay sealed. also, i dont plan on upgrading my amp for a long while, so will be stuck with this amp for a while. wouldn't it be better with one 12" because this amp will put out 400wx1 rather than 100wx2 @ 4 ohms or 200x2 @ 2 ohms. i dont know if the subs are 2 ohm stable. lastly, this will be my third setup, and my two previous setup's have been 2 10"s. i kinda feel like going with 1 12" just to do something different i guess. would i be dumb to go to 1 12" when i have had 2 10's?

[JimJ 11]

Have you heard the Treo's?

I don't like the idea of a Type R in a sealed enclosure, because the T/S parameters really don't lend themselves to it...

If you can live with the output drop, I'd seriously consider one RL-i, ported. May not be that much of a drop in output compared to two sealed R's, actually.

[///M5 2,833]

It will probably sound better too.

[bobby_7 0]

Have you heard the Treo's?

I don't like the idea of a Type R in a sealed enclosure, because the T/S parameters really don't lend themselves to it...

If you can live with the output drop, I'd seriously consider one RL-i, ported. May not be that much of a drop in output compared to two sealed R's, actually.

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no i have never heard treo's but i have heard good reviews. i have never heard any soundsplinter stuff either, so i guess im just kinda going on a guess and all the reviews. what do you mean by output drop? so you think one RL-i ported would be better than one Type-R 12" ported?

[JimJ 11]

I mean that you may lose a little bit of output from one RL-i compared to two Type R 10's, but since you're going to have an increase from the ported enclosure anyway, it may not be even noticeable.

so you think one RL-i ported would be better than one Type-R 12" ported?

It would have less overall SPL, but most likely sound better.

[bobby_7 0]

how much of a difference are we talking as far as sounding better? the type-r is pretty good for SQ/LSQ isn't it? i have never heard the RL-i so it is a little hard to compare. i guess i am also looking at i can get the type r sub and a nice box that is tuned correctly for less than the RL-i, and it would be easier than driving at least an hour away to go to my nearest audio shop and having a box built. i guess what i am asking, will getting the RL-i be worth the extra money and effort than just buying the type r?

[JimJ 11]

How much of a difference isn't really something you can quantify...but I'm confident they'll sound better than the Type R

By tuned correctly, are you talking about a pre-fab? Because most likely if it's pre built it won't be "tuned correctly" at all.

[bobby_7 0]

well if i were to get one RL-i i would have to go to an audio shop and have a box built, would not be prefab. if you were referring to my original post about the Type R, i guess i am assuming that the box that the Type R comes in is tuned to the sub's specifications, seeing as how Alpine makes the box and sells it with their own sub. would that box not be tuned correctly?

[JimJ 11]

Unless you live in an apartment and have absolutely no friends that have their own place or to help you, you can do it yourself Or someone on here could build you one and ship it for less than what you'd pay locally, most likely.

Alpine's boxes are likely tuned to a higher frequency with SPL as a first priority, not necessarily (sp) sounding good...

[mrray13 30]

if i were to get the 10's, they would stay in my prefab box for a while till i got around to building a box for them. i wouldnt go ported if i went with the 10's, i would stay sealed. also, i dont plan on upgrading my amp for a long while, so will be stuck with this amp for a while. wouldn't it be better with one 12" because this amp will put out 400wx1 rather than 100wx2 @ 4 ohms or 200x2 @ 2 ohms. i dont know if the subs are 2 ohm stable. lastly, this will be my third setup, and my two previous setup's have been 2 10"s. i kinda feel like going with 1 12" just to do something different i guess. would i be dumb to go to 1 12" when i have had 2 10's?

ok, first of all...200 x 2 @ 2ohms = 400 x 1 @ 4ohms. you amp will put out the exact same power bridged or stereo if using the proper impedence.

second...subs aren't "stable" to any impedence. subs are what determines the impedence you show the amp. when you purchase your sub(s), this is what you'll need to look for. single sub will need to be either a quad 1, dual 2, dual 8 or single 4 ohm voice coil driver. those will give you the proper impedence to show your amp. if you get two subs, they will need to be quad 2 or dual 4 ohm voice coil drivers. these can be wired to show your amp the proper impedence as well.

third..i've never seen a dual 8 or quad 2 vc sub, but i imagine they exist...lol

fourth..one 12 ported should run with two 10's sealed. but no prefab box is set up for sql. most (like 99%) are tuned at 40-45hz. you will need to have a box built to fully realize a good sql setup.

and lastly, i'll agree with jim. get the pair of tens. only, port them. tuned low, a ported pair of tens will kick you in the chest and still wang like a mofo. as to owhich tens...budget. if the type r's are more of your budget, get them. they aren't bad subs. but if you can afford the rl-i's, get them. loud and low with awesome customer support.

honestly, don't skimp on the enclosure. that's what will make or break any sub you buy. regardless of brand.

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[Adrian_D 520]

for 1 or 2 10s you can try this box. great design

i wanna buy an rl-i 10 to put it one of those.

Edited April 17, 2006 by Adrian_D

[bobby_7 0]

ok, first of all...200 x 2 @ 2ohms = 400 x 1 @ 4ohms. you amp will put out the exact same power bridged or stereo if using the proper impedence.

fourth..one 12 ported should run with two 10's sealed. but no prefab box is set up for LSQ. most (like 99%) are tuned at 40-45hz. you will need to have a box built to fully realize a good LSQ setup.

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i understand what you are saying with the first statement, but that is what the specs of the amp shows, its an audiobahn so.......

lastly, i read on some guys reveiw of a sub that he had his system wired at some shop and when he looked at it, it was wired to 4 ohms. so he re-wired it to 2 ohms and it hit a lot harder.........i dont think they guy knows what he was talking about.........but is that even possible?

also, does wiring subs to 2 ohms cause for more of a draw on your battery and stuff, compared to 4 ohms? like make your headlights flash more and stuff?

[CBFryman 2]

Treo is loud as phuck...need to port it though

[mrray13 30]

ok, first of all...200 x 2 @ 2ohms = 400 x 1 @ 4ohms. you amp will put out the exact same power bridged or stereo if using the proper impedence.

fourth..one 12 ported should run with two 10's sealed. but no prefab box is set up for sql. most (like 99%) are tuned at 40-45hz. you will need to have a box built to fully realize a good sql setup.

i understand what you are saying with the first statement, but that is what the specs of the amp shows, its an audiobahn so.......

lastly, i read on some guys reveiw of a sub that he had his system wired at some shop and when he looked at it, it was wired to 4 ohms. so he re-wired it to 2 ohms and it hit a lot harder.........i dont think they guy knows what he was talking about.........but is that even possible?

also, does wiring subs to 2 ohms cause for more of a draw on your battery and stuff, compared to 4 ohms? like make your headlights flash more and stuff?

basiclly what i'm saying is this....

if an amp is rated 200 wrms x 2 @ 2ohm, and 400wrms x1 @ 4ohm..you will be getting the exact same power outa the amp. 200+ 200 = 400. when you take a two channel amp and bridge it, you combine both channels to make one channel. when you do this, you have to add the rated impedence of both channels together, 2 ohm stereo stable means 4 ohm mono stable.

as to the review, that all depends upon what amp he had. if he had a mono block amp that was 2 ohm stable and the shop at it wired to be getting 4 ohm, then yeah, what he said would be true as he is now getting full power out of the amp.

in most cases 400wrms @ 4ohm is better on your car then 400wrms @ 2ohm. it takes less current to create the same power. but it's amp dependant.

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[bobby_7 0]

ok, that helped a lot mrray

haven't quite made my desicion yet but i am going to wait it out and try to get some RL-i's. i have always wanted some soundsplinters since i heard about em...

thanks for the help