Welcome to the IHoP v.2

[///M5 2,833]

J - didn't mean to be so pointed, but the behavior you were describing is awful. There is a reason that CA took down the world economy. Of course in their case it was even worse as it was based on loans they couldn't pay back, but getting in debt or leveraging away your future for a "fix" now is not a good idea.

My searches may influence the curve, don't follow mine please. In reality I should be as conservative as you as in the long run I am only falsely leveraging my retirement.

[dem beats 1,223]

I should be working elsewhere. I'm looking into engineering fields to be a sales engineer. I'm not sure what industry I want to be in. But I really should be working with bigger deals that require more consultation. My love for all things that are pushing technology forward, fast learning skills, and instinctive and trained sales skills could make me more money. They could also help companies who need something get what they need.

Spending most of my life analyzing situations and drawing out real concerns, and then objections later is a huge boon. Using analogy and having a verbose lexicon helps to explain things and how what I can will help them.

I'd agree with that. Kick ass where you are now so the resume brings you where you need to go. I'm hesitant to recommend my industry as it is inbred and doesn't have a lot of upside, but there are others that need very similar skills.

I didn't really realize these jobs existed. That seems thick of me, and is. After talking to you even I didn't really add it up that those jobs are out there. A buddy suggested me looking into it, and after a little research it is in demand and most of the jobs are taken by late 50 year olds. In some studies they expecta 20-30% iincrease in demand in the next 5 years.

I read that as, get in ASAP, bust your Fucking hump, and then place myself as management. I was always nervous that these jobs required more lead acquisition. It turns out that isn't so.

My brain is just set up to think about details like an engineer, but my whole life has been problem solving, even in HR. And then using communication skills to translate problem solving into earning business.

[dem beats 1,223]

I should be working elsewhere. I'm looking into engineering fields to be a sales engineer. I'm not sure what industry I want to be in. But I really should be working with bigger deals that require more consultation. My love for all things that are pushing technology forward, fast learning skills, and instinctive and trained sales skills could make me more money. They could also help companies who need something get what they need.

Spending most of my life analyzing situations and drawing out real concerns, and then objections later is a huge boon. Using analogy and having a verbose lexicon helps to explain things and how what I can will help them.

One of the guys I ride dirt bikes with works for Caterpillar doing that. Travels all over the world.

Be a rep for that company that makes those crazy production line robot arms.

I was working with the Kuka rep yesterday, just sold 2 of his robots.

Difficulty is you are in MN. Probably need to think biotech consultative sales. Hell I may join you.

Hell yeah. Biotech is dope.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Wouldn't stop me.

[ssh 924]

 

 

 

 

 

Tomorrow I'm meeting with the owner and going over everything, but it's wild to hear someone say "yeah you'll have your own office and a set of keys, you can use it whenever for whatever."

This should help take a dent out of college cost.

Don't spend your money on student loans. Just volunteer for a few years and your loans are paid off. Seriously.

Pluss you need a Benzito

 

Volunteer? There's a few internships I've been looking at over summers, and for a PhD it looks like I could find funding from TA, research, fellowship, but for my BS or masters route I figured it was pretty much all coming out of pocket. Then again I don't know that much about the financials of college.

 

 

ya thats pretty much correct, i haven't heard of anyone getting a masters for free but phd's in the sciences are (and if it isn't, don't go there).  i'll be applying for schools this fall/winter

 

My cousin got her Masters for nothing, and is doing the same for her Phd. She got her Bachelors at the U of A and then got into a job in admissions. She pays some crazy amount like $20 per credit hour, and she just received 10k from some sort of grant that she doesn't need to pay back.

 

 

Rare for the masters degree to be free. your cousin must be pretty fucking smart. Typically a phd student receives free tuition and a stipends of roughly 20k a year.  maybe less for a TA or more for a RA. then you have the grants and other shit. 

 

My friend's gf did her masters in Industrial Engineering at PSU  but had to pay full tuition. I think she tutored for a little more than minimum wage. However, she got a job before graduating and now makes some pretty serious bank.

 

Getting a Masters is somewhat irrelevant, either go all the way or don't bother.

In chemistry I know once you get a PhD you've immediately limited job opportunities.

[dem beats 1,223]

[dem beats 1,223]

Wouldn't stop me.

Herpes never did.

:rimshot:

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Wouldn't stop me.

 

Nor I.

 

 

 

...get it?

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Lord knows I'm not one to judge; my left eye is off kilter and sewn in place so I know I've given off all kinds of weird impressions.

Edited August 30, 2013 by Penguin4x4

[dem beats 1,223]

Damn guest from last night is comming in to cancel. Won't give me the real objection. Damn.

[///M5 2,833]

Tomorrow I'm meeting with the owner and going over everything, but it's wild to hear someone say "yeah you'll have your own office and a set of keys, you can use it whenever for whatever."

This should help take a dent out of college cost.

Don't spend your money on student loans. Just volunteer for a few years and your loans are paid off. Seriously.

Pluss you need a Benzito

Volunteer? There's a few internships I've been looking at over summers, and for a PhD it looks like I could find funding from TA, research, fellowship, but for my BS or masters route I figured it was pretty much all coming out of pocket. Then again I don't know that much about the financials of college.

 

ya thats pretty much correct, i haven't heard of anyone getting a masters for free but phd's in the sciences are (and if it isn't, don't go there).  i'll be applying for schools this fall/winter

My cousin got her Masters for nothing, and is doing the same for her Phd. She got her Bachelors at the U of A and then got into a job in admissions. She pays some crazy amount like $20 per credit hour, and she just received 10k from some sort of grant that she doesn't need to pay back.

 

Rare for the masters degree to be free. your cousin must be pretty fucking smart. Typically a phd student receives free tuition and a stipends of roughly 20k a year.  maybe less for a TA or more for a RA. then you have the grants and other shit. 

 

My friend's gf did her masters in Industrial Engineering at PSU  but had to pay full tuition. I think she tutored for a little more than minimum wage. However, she got a job before graduating and now makes some pretty serious bank.

Getting a Masters is somewhat irrelevant, either go all the way or don't bother.

In chemistry I know once you get a PhD you've immediately limited job opportunities.

Completely untrue.

[///M5 2,833]

Damn guest from last night is comming in to cancel. Won't give me the real objection. Damn.

What is his pretext? Time for the AAA...

[Quentin Jarrell 671]

Both of our lead chemists have PHD's

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

I was hoping SSA would make enough for me to finish mine.  A few years later, the final degree is still unfinished.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

I have a PhD.

[S.DeYoung 968]

I knew that one was coming, oh snap

[ssh 924]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Tomorrow I'm meeting with the owner and going over everything, but it's wild to hear someone say "yeah you'll have your own office and a set of keys, you can use it whenever for whatever."

This should help take a dent out of college cost.

Don't spend your money on student loans. Just volunteer for a few years and your loans are paid off. Seriously.

Pluss you need a Benzito

 

Volunteer? There's a few internships I've been looking at over summers, and for a PhD it looks like I could find funding from TA, research, fellowship, but for my BS or masters route I figured it was pretty much all coming out of pocket. Then again I don't know that much about the financials of college.

 

 

ya thats pretty much correct, i haven't heard of anyone getting a masters for free but phd's in the sciences are (and if it isn't, don't go there).  i'll be applying for schools this fall/winter

 

My cousin got her Masters for nothing, and is doing the same for her Phd. She got her Bachelors at the U of A and then got into a job in admissions. She pays some crazy amount like $20 per credit hour, and she just received 10k from some sort of grant that she doesn't need to pay back.

 

 

Rare for the masters degree to be free. your cousin must be pretty fucking smart. Typically a phd student receives free tuition and a stipends of roughly 20k a year.  maybe less for a TA or more for a RA. then you have the grants and other shit. 

 

My friend's gf did her masters in Industrial Engineering at PSU  but had to pay full tuition. I think she tutored for a little more than minimum wage. However, she got a job before graduating and now makes some pretty serious bank.

 

Getting a Masters is somewhat irrelevant, either go all the way or don't bother.

 

In chemistry I know once you get a PhD you've immediately limited job opportunities.

 

Completely untrue.

From what I've read from those that hire in the field, and from chemists I know they wouldn't agree.

[ssh 924]

Resumes with PhDs / PhDs & masters are often thrown out first for job applications that require a BS or masters. At least in the field of chemistry.

[Adrian_D 520]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://imgur.com/a/v8QIf/layout/blog

Holy shiiiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeettttttttttt

AAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND I'm spooked on an A3 for another year. Thank you.

I think it would be fun working on cars like that.

Sure, for those of us with the time, space, money, tools, equipment, skills and spare car.

I mean from a service point. It would help me understand why they do some of the crazy shit they do. Not sure if I would ever own something like that.

I really love all that something like an A3 or RS6 have specs wise; manual/AWD/good power with huge potential/wagen/great handling/aftermarket parts etc. etc., but the cost to maintain, insure and in general own, is just out of the realm of what I am comfortable opening my wallet up to. So few wagens available with similar features. Pretty much leaves it to a Speed3/STI/A3/328i. C-class wagen is gone and was never offered in manual, E55AMG is $$$ and not manual and so on.

You know, for years i've been trying to figure out why the Speed3/Focus/C30 has not received AWD. They've done it in EU (Focus) without adding cost, so why can't they do it here?

 

What ? AWD Focus in Europe? I'll have to check but I don't think there is an AWD Focus

 

I thought the RS was AWD?

 

 

RS WRC is AWD but that is their rally car. Civilian RS's are FWD, with a Quaife LSD. 

[Adrian_D 520]

I got a job, and my own office and shit.

 

Congrats

[Adrian_D 520]

 

In sales the most important thing is to have the ability to wax poetically when needed, but to spend more time asking questions and earning trust. Then following through honestly.

I am given to asking questions back when a guest asks me a question once I have developed rapport. Usually they don't even know what or how to ask something, and the information they want has nothing to do with the question they asked. So leading the sales process by helping the customer to feel in charge is a big part of it.

Active listening is exhausting. And paying attention to signals can be tough. Most people cannot do it in a professional setting at all.

Have you ever read "what every body is saying?" It's about body language. Pretty good book, definitely inline with your work.

I have not. The tough part about body language is that sometimes someone crossing their arms and leaning away just has a cold.

But I do use the basics just because law of averages works in favor for me if I take it into consideration.

 

I never could trust the crossed arms idea, especially if the conversation flows naturally. Also I have a habit of crossing my arms even if my actual intentions are not to be closed but open. 

[Adrian_D 520]

http://youtu.be/rPSPTVxLFTE

 

Hmph, the lava was still flowing, pissing operation was a failure

[Adrian_D 520]

Speaking of this sale engineer stuff,  I'd love a job in a more mechanical oriented field. I really need to get off my ass and build the damn VNT controller it would be an awesome strong point on the resume. Maybe I can get lucky and use it as a Master's thesis

[Adrian_D 520]

Wouldn't stop me.

 

Same here...

[dem beats 1,223]

Damn guest from last night is comming in to cancel. Won't give me the real objection. Damn.

What is his pretext? Time for the AAA...

AAA?

His pretext is he wants to wait to buy a more expensive bed later, and that they all feel the same to him anyway. Normally I'm not even annoyed with refunds, but I stayed late and basically took a huge risk on the price to close the deal.

Depending on how you look at it, he got a better deal than I can get myself or give family.