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[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Milk is just fine for most adults, and a great source of calcium. If you have lactose issues then milk is a bad idea. Europeans have more trouble with milk than your average US citizen from what I understand.

Cheese is a decent source of calcium, and a pretty good way to get it in your diet. Yogurt is good too, although yogurt still has some lactose, so it may not fix all issues.

 

They have not had generations of steroids and hormones in their food.  

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Milk is just fine for most adults, and a great source of calcium. If you have lactose issues then milk is a bad idea. Europeans have more trouble with milk than your average US citizen from what I understand.

Cheese is a decent source of calcium, and a pretty good way to get it in your diet. Yogurt is good too, although yogurt still has some lactose, so it may not fix all issues.

 

Yogurt and aged cheeses do not have lactose

[dem beats 1,223]

It has no lactose? Weird. Because I have friends who cannot have yogurt or cheese due to lactose intolerance.

She is quite sensitive and has horrible reactions though.

[dem beats 1,223]

Milk is just fine for most adults, and a great source of calcium. If you have lactose issues then milk is a bad idea. Europeans have more trouble with milk than your average US citizen from what I understand.

Cheese is a decent source of calcium, and a pretty good way to get it in your diet. Yogurt is good too, although yogurt still has some lactose, so it may not fix all issues.

They have not had generations of steroids and hormones in their food.

They are missing out.

It's probably more due to the fact that those who couldn't process dairy were pretty sickly and maybe just died off surfing colonization, but I will take more steroids all day every day.

BEEFCAKE!

[ssh 924]

Generally people of Nordic descent are less prone to becoming lactose intolerant--IIRC.

[The enD 467]

I enjoy milk a lot. I don't know where I heard it, but I've lived with the knowledge that when you drink milk the body takes calcium from your bones to process the milk, thus resulting in weaker bone structure. That's why I am asking.

Not like it stopped me from drinking milk YOLO

[ssh 924]

Also pretty common for people that have lactose issues with store bought milk to not have any issues with raw milk.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Generally people of Nordic descent are less prone to becoming lactose intolerant--IIRC.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Most of the world's adult population is lactose intolerant. We are the only species to drink the milk of another. It's not nature's way, hence the issues.

I am lactose intolerant. I do not have issues with yogurt, but I do get gassy and have the gastrointestinal issues from cheese.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

It has no lactose? Weird. Because I have friends who cannot have yogurt or cheese due to lactose intolerance.

She is quite sensitive and has horrible reactions though.

 

The bacterial culture converts lactose into glucose, galactose, and lactic acid. Wouldn't hurt for someone to avoid dairy altogether if they have violent reactions to it. Can't be too cautious.

Edited July 30, 2013 by Penguin4x4

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Cultures in cheese are similar. As a general rule, the harder the cheese, the less lactose it has.

[ssh 924]

Teo, I could be wrong, but from what I've read I don't really believe all the stuff saying that milk depletes calcium (at least by how they say it occurs).

Milk is slightly acidic (~6.6 pH), and our blood pH is slightly basic (7.35 - 7.45), so they claim when you drink milk that the body needs to deplete calcium to act as a buffer and neutralize the acidity of milk. The problem with this concept is that they're acting like the pH everywhere in the body is the same / needs to be the same as our blood pH, and that isn't true. For what it's worth hydrochloric acid in the stomach has a pH around 1.3 to 3.5. Orange juice and coffee are both more acidic than milk, and I haven't heard of anyone claiming they're bad for the bones (though I haven't looked). Even in tests with carbonated beverages (soda pH ~2.5 - 4) they had little effect on calcium excretion (though if your diet is shitty and doesn't have any calcium than that small loss over time could eventually present an issue).

Edited July 30, 2013 by stefanhinote

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Reminds me, I forgot to pick up cottage cheese.  Need the proteinzz!

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

I enjoy milk a lot. I don't know where I heard it, but I've lived with the knowledge that when you drink milk the body takes calcium from your bones to process the milk, thus resulting in weaker bone structure. That's why I am asking.

Not like it stopped me from drinking milk YOLO

 

The only places I've heard that are from heavily biased websites and quack doctors.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Pretty much every doctor will tell you that you shouldn't rely solely on dairy to get your daily recommended intake of calcium because of the fat content.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

iI see absolutely NO point in lifting weights outside of gaining mass needed for sports.

Easiest way to stay fit.

Assuming someone doesn't like sports it's going to maintain health as someone ages. Stronger bones, especially healthy for women and those who hate milk. It puts off age based feebleness. Makes you smarter than if you didn't to any activity. Helps you Fuck better.

Lots of reasons.

If you get enough exercise elsewhere, then awesome. Weight training is just easier and faster and in general safer than any sport.

 

Weight training is one of the best, if not the best, way for people to ward off osteoporosis.

[dem beats 1,223]

Yup. Milk is a GREAT source of calcium. If you are stressing your ability to digest it, just drink milk with D vitamins.

[ssh 924]

I also found another idea semi related to the other premise: http://milk.elehost.com/html/why_does_calcuim_leave_the_bon.html

 

"Too much methionine from milk causes more acidity, and requires calcium from bones for neutralizing."

"100g Milk contains around 0.091g of methionine."

 

And the kicker:

Egg 3.2g/100g

Chicken 0.8g/100g

Fish 0.75g/100g

Pinto Beans 0.1g/100g

 

for methionine.

Edited July 30, 2013 by stefanhinote

[dem beats 1,223]

Most of the world's adult population is lactose intolerant. We are the only species to drink the milk of another. It's not nature's way, hence the issues.

I am lactose intolerant. I do not have issues with yogurt, but I do get gassy and have the gastrointestinal issues from cheese.

Kind of. Many animals will nurse other species in the wild based on circumstance. We are the only species who can milk and ship other animals milk though.

Same argument can be made for farming. Doesn't make it bad for us.

[dem beats 1,223]

I also found another idea semi related to the other premise: http://milk.elehost.com/html/why_does_calcuim_leave_the_bon.html

"Too much methionine from milk causes more acidity, and requires calcium from bones for neutralizing."

"100g Milk contains around 0.091g of methionine."

And the kicker:

Egg 3.2g/100g

Chicken 0.8g/100g

Fish 0.75g/100g

Pinto Beans 0.1g/100g

Eggs have that much methionine? Or that much calcium?

[dem beats 1,223]

Generally people of Nordic descent are less prone to becoming lactose intolerant--IIRC.

We are awesome like that. Also have a small chance towards HIV immunity.

[ssh 924]

I also found another idea semi related to the other premise: http://milk.elehost.com/html/why_does_calcuim_leave_the_bon.html

"Too much methionine from milk causes more acidity, and requires calcium from bones for neutralizing."

"100g Milk contains around 0.091g of methionine."

And the kicker:

Egg 3.2g/100g

Chicken 0.8g/100g

Fish 0.75g/100g

Pinto Beans 0.1g/100g

Eggs have that much methionine? Or that much calcium?

Methionine.

[dem beats 1,223]

That's why eggs and cheese are so great together. Fucking science wins!

[ssh 924]

Which makes me not give a shit about the amount in milk. In perspective when I drank one gallon a day (which may or may not be bad for other reasons) I was getting 3.44g of methionine.

 

1gal = 3.78L = 3780ml x 1g/ml(density of water, close enough to milk) = 3780grams x (0.091g methionine / 100g milk) = 3.44g

 

So an entire gallon of whole milk has a tad more than one fucking egg. Skim milk will be slightly more, but still way less than two eggs.

[ssh 924]

Don't forget the bacon!