Welcome to the IHoP v.2

[dem beats 1,223]

Cars work could lease me:

Has to be around $45k with the allowance of 15k mi/yr and still worth $25k in 36mo.

Certified:

BMW X6M

BMW X5 5.0

2013 Jeep SRT8

I thought another option was to take a $15k Saab, spend $15k on mods. Have a $30k car that is worth $10k in the end for the same payment. At the end I'd then keep it for towing and such and lease a car.

Any and all repairs, brakes, and other service items are mine to swallow during the 3 years. Those little things were somewhat painful on the Benz totaling over $100/mo in just disposables. Figured having it rolled in on a car I had built would alleviate that. Just hard stepping down into the interior from what I currently have. The exterior I am not nearly as concerned.

Needs to be quick, handle reasonably well and tow at least 5k lbs. (My boat is 6800lbs in reality, but according to the manufacturer it is under 5k, lol). I am more concerned with towing a snowmobile trailer. Going to be getting a 22'er that is about 2600lbs + 3-4 600lb sleds. That number is super conservative being the dry weight of my sled is closer to 420lb

Of those? Bimmer. Why not just get another of the same?

I really think you will be unhappy with anything else. I didn't like the X6 when it first came out, but I also had different feelings about cars in general then.

You will almost positively hate anything not benz bimmer or Porsche. Unless you spend shit loads of time on the interior, and engine and suspension. It isn't a bad route but it kind of goes against your time is money and overall value down the road general philosophy. If you do it because you want it.... then that is another story altogether.

[dem beats 1,223]

Why is everyone obsessed with how much others have and how "unfair it is".

I look at a dude in a Lamborghini and I think, how should I work to get one. The people I know think, that prick has too much.

What the fuck kind of thinking is that?

It's all in the mentality. I look at the Lambo and think, while it would be nice, I could have several nice cars and left over money to donate to those in need.

Do you really believe that? I have never in my life met someone with that mentality.

I have given the Matt challenge to countless people and never has anyone taken all their next raises and donated to those in need. I have had a couple guys swing at me after I made that challenge though.

I didn't say all of it.

I really am NOT a fan of money or material posessions. I like my fast cars and music and that's about it. As long as my son is comfortable, that's all that matters to me. If I have leftover money and it won't hurt my financial stability, I donate to those who need it. In the case of a wad of money like the Lambo, indeed that would be what I would do. If I ever win the lottery, half of the money will immediately go to charity. There's no need for a huge house, bunch of cars, expensive clothes, etc. . .

Nope, no need. But it gives your kids the highest chance at success. And you giving money to charity is different. You picked something YOU beleive in. That is still selfish. Leaving it on the table is what I am talking about.

Like I said, this discussion only leads to me pissing off people. You are a good guy though.

I feel it nesicarry to say I beleive in charity and work in/for a bunch and have donated more time than some people will ever work. I just won't donate money, and often time, unless the benefactors can see my face. I don't want credit, I want them to know that what they have been given goes from a real persons hand and heart to them. It makes a much bigger impact for them and for me.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

 

 

 

Why is everyone obsessed with how much others have and how "unfair it is".

I look at a dude in a Lamborghini and I think, how should I work to get one. The people I know think, that prick has too much.

What the fuck kind of thinking is that?

It's all in the mentality. I look at the Lambo and think, while it would be nice, I could have several nice cars and left over money to donate to those in need.

Do you really believe that? I have never in my life met someone with that mentality.

I have given the Matt challenge to countless people and never has anyone taken all their next raises and donated to those in need. I have had a couple guys swing at me after I made that challenge though.

I didn't say all of it.

I really am NOT a fan of money or material posessions. I like my fast cars and music and that's about it. As long as my son is comfortable, that's all that matters to me. If I have leftover money and it won't hurt my financial stability, I donate to those who need it. In the case of a wad of money like the Lambo, indeed that would be what I would do. If I ever win the lottery, half of the money will immediately go to charity. There's no need for a huge house, bunch of cars, expensive clothes, etc. . .

 

Nope, no need. But it gives your kids the highest chance at success. And you giving money to charity is different. You picked something YOU beleive in. That is still selfish. Leaving it on the table is what I am talking about.

Like I said, this discussion only leads to me pissing off people. You are a good guy though.

I feel it nesicarry to say I beleive in charity and work in/for a bunch and have donated more time than some people will ever work. I just won't donate money, and often time, unless the benefactors can see my face. I don't want credit, I want them to know that what they have been given goes from a real persons hand and heart to them. It makes a much bigger impact for them and for me.

I feel the opposite.  I understand your point and can agree with it to an extent.  I don't care whether what I give is appreciated or not and I don't get any satssfaction from it, nor do I want any recognition.  I just feel it's a part of life.  Like out parents raising us properly and teaching life's lessons, we should give what we can to others, whether it be money, time, goods, or wisdom.  We should do it without a return.

 

As for me giving money to charity, I don't necessarily give it to a certain group at a time.  Some times I do, some times it's as simple as dropping a 20 in a hobo's lap. 

 

I can't wrap my head around your comment that giving anything away is selfish in any right, but that's how you feel, and that's fine. 

 

Money to me, in general, IS the root of all evil.  Greed is consuming man kind; it's been the downfall of man kind in my eyes.  Look at the people whom live simple lives.  Their happiness is unfathomable to many of us.  We ponder their joy in such simplicity.  I don't base happiness or success on money or material posessions.   A homeless man on the street can be just as successful as Bill Gates to me.  It's all subjective.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

BTW, you are NOT pissing me off.  I respect you AND your opinion and feelings whether I agree with them or not. 

[///M5 2,833]

Cars work could lease me:

Has to be around $45k with the allowance of 15k mi/yr and still worth $25k in 36mo.

Certified:

BMW X6M

BMW X5 5.0

2013 Jeep SRT8

I thought another option was to take a $15k Saab, spend $15k on mods. Have a $30k car that is worth $10k in the end for the same payment. At the end I'd then keep it for towing and such and lease a car.

Any and all repairs, brakes, and other service items are mine to swallow during the 3 years. Those little things were somewhat painful on the Benz totaling over $100/mo in just disposables. Figured having it rolled in on a car I had built would alleviate that. Just hard stepping down into the interior from what I currently have. The exterior I am not nearly as concerned.

Needs to be quick, handle reasonably well and tow at least 5k lbs. (My boat is 6800lbs in reality, but according to the manufacturer it is under 5k, lol). I am more concerned with towing a snowmobile trailer. Going to be getting a 22'er that is about 2600lbs + 3-4 600lb sleds. That number is super conservative being the dry weight of my sled is closer to 420lb

Of those? Bimmer. Why not just get another of the same?

I really think you will be unhappy with anything else. I didn't like the X6 when it first came out, but I also had different feelings about cars in general then.

You will almost positively hate anything not benz bimmer or Porsche. Unless you spend shit loads of time on the interior, and engine and suspension. It isn't a bad route but it kind of goes against your time is money and overall value down the road general philosophy. If you do it because you want it.... then that is another story altogether.

I can't get another AMG. New body style fucks the buy in price putting me WAY out of range. Same thing happened with the Porsche. I really don't like the interior or the way the X5M drives. The X6M I'd like, but the damn Russians keep buying all the used ones from here so they are still priced like hell.

You highlighted my pain pretty good. Buying German is going to be tough which leaves the Jeep. I'm sure the Jeep will absolutely piss me off. Thought something custom may solve that.

Other advantage of a custom build is at the end of it I can keep it for next to nothing. Then have the company lease me a car. I may also change jobs in the not super distant future for which it'd be nice to have a vehicle paid off.

I tried to like the Escalade. Exterior is fine, interior is fine, but it drives like a fucking pickup. No amount of suspension mods will save it I don't think. If so, I even know of one that is already supercharged I could probably get cheap. Aargh.

[dem beats 1,223]

What is the point of charity if it does no good for you and does no good for the person receiving?

[///M5 2,833]

Part of it is dumb as well. I listen to talk radio in the car, but I want to do another stereo install. I won't in ze German cars.

[///M5 2,833]

That and wanting more POWA!

[Adrian_D 520]

What is the point of charity if it does no good for you and does no good for the person receiving?

 

 

The first part is why I too feel that giving to charity is selfish. This is mostly for the sake of discussion but IMO a lot of things we do have a selfish reason behind them. 

 

If you take it to the extreme, even helping somebody has some selfishness behind it, since there is a feel-good sensation to it or at some point the favor will be returned. 

[Adrian_D 520]

We have these kind of talks all the time at work, some of them really make you go hmmmm.

[Adrian_D 520]

Mother-fucker, I can't find an E46 coupe in town to look at the trunk for 10 minutes. Everybody and their grandmother has an E46 but nobody has 10 minutes to help. 

[Tirefryr 1,742]

What is the point of charity if it does no good for you and does no good for the person receiving?

You're misreading what I am typing.  I stated I don't want recognition, nor do I car whether they appreciate it or not.  The point is not for someone to appreciate or be thankful of the charity, rather to use the charity to help them in whatever capacity they need.  THAT is the point.  Not self gratification.

 

Everyone is wired differently.  Not all people need or want materials, money, recognition, etc. . .  Some people just like to work hard just to work hard.  Some people like to give with no need to receive.  Alternatively there are people who expect something for nothing, or lazy people whom think they are busting their ass and deserve far more than their worth.  Life is not fair, the universe is not balanced, we are NOT created equal, hard work and dedication does not always pay off, and some people are just born with a shitty life. 

[Tirefryr 1,742]

What is the point of charity if it does no good for you and does no good for the person receiving?

 

 

The first part is why I too feel that giving to charity is selfish. This is mostly for the sake of discussion but IMO a lot of things we do have a selfish reason behind them. 

 

If you take it to the extreme, even helping somebody has some selfishness behind it, since there is a feel-good sensation to it or at some point the favor will be returned. 

 You've never met a genuine selfless person then.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

So a certain speaker reseller has an 8 pack of 12s on sale for $100.  I emailed them for a shipping quote and this is the response I get.

 

[email protected]

Mar 21 (2 days ago)

 

to me

they go in two separate cartons 45 pounds each carton you can check the rates and see for yourself.Quoting tirefryr <[email protected]>:

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Really?

[Tirefryr 1,742]

SO I guess I will input the weight incorrectly and get a lower rate and just pay him what the calculator says.  But really, if he can't be bothered to spend 3 minutes to give me a shipping quote, I can't be bothered to give him my money.

[The enD 467]

Fries with garlic sauce = yum

[The enD 467]

Why are you still buying audio stuff.

 

And 8 12" for 100? I can only image the quality.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Why are you still buying audio stuff.

 

And 8 12" for 100? I can only image the quality.

 

 

This is just going to be a music wall for home to get onboxiously loud while cleaning house.  If you have children, it's an endless process.  My house is so small, I can literally fill one void with drivers and the entire house will be full of audio.  No need for distribution to several rooms.

[Adrian_D 520]

 

What is the point of charity if it does no good for you and does no good for the person receiving?

 

 

The first part is why I too feel that giving to charity is selfish. This is mostly for the sake of discussion but IMO a lot of things we do have a selfish reason behind them. 

 

If you take it to the extreme, even helping somebody has some selfishness behind it, since there is a feel-good sensation to it or at some point the favor will be returned. 

 You've never met a genuine selfless person then.

 

 

It's a gray zone and quite possibly the drive to give comes sub-consciously. Maybe it's something like Pavlov's dog and we don't realize it  

[Tirefryr 1,742]

So you're saying we're wired to do what feels good even without realization?

[dem beats 1,223]

Sean I figured it out. You need range rover. Something CPO so no cost on lemons for you. They are a different fucking company in the last 5 years or so.

Interior is nice. Does not ride like the escalade etc etc.

I think your customed up idead is not a bad idea, but it really defeats the whole crapshoot.

You know what you have to do. Get a truck/SUV of your choice on your dime for the boat and trailers. Then have them lease you a nice car. Or have them lease you a vehicle that tows the boat and then buy yourself a fucking awesome whip. Get started on the Pantera.

I know you well enough to say that if you custom up a lease vehicle, you will overdo it because you use a 6x6 when a 2x4 would work for most people. That means it will be in and out of the tuners shop or your garage and "need" constant attention and it won't even be completed in 3 years when the lease is comming up.

[dem beats 1,223]

What is the point of charity if it does no good for you and does no good for the person receiving?

You're misreading what I am typing. I stated I don't want recognition, nor do I car whether they appreciate it or not. The point is not for someone to appreciate or be thankful of the charity, rather to use the charity to help them in whatever capacity they need. THAT is the point. Not self gratification.

Everyone is wired differently. Not all people need or want materials, money, recognition, etc. . . Some people just like to work hard just to work hard. Some people like to give with no need to receive. Alternatively there are people who expect something for nothing, or lazy people whom think they are busting their ass and deserve far more than their worth. Life is not fair, the universe is not balanced, we are NOT created equal, hard work and dedication does not always pay off, and some people are just born with a shitty life.

Yes, I did misunderstand, and when I said appreciate I meant in the global sense. As in when I can help someone face to face and my kindness goes to them with no middle man, no organization, nothing, I think they are then getting the full help that I am giving. Like when a savings bond appreciates.

I think we are all wired different, but you cannot elevate life for others unless you elevate life for yourself.

My only moral judge of people is if you climb life as hard as you want and always work to do better, you are a good person. If you pull others down so you can be above them, you are bad.

[dem beats 1,223]

So you're saying we're wired to do what feels good even without realization?

I don't think charity is "doing good". I think it is neutral for the most part. What I do know is we are not isolated and rely on a village/civilization/group to become our best. So I think helping those who might not be able to pull themselves up by their bootstraps or are having a rough time is instinctive to a certain degree.

Like yawning making everyone else yawn. Or the fact some conditions that make people blind but they can respond to facial expressions without knowing it.

[///M5 2,833]

Sean I figured it out. You need range rover. Something CPO so no cost on lemons for you. They are a different fucking company in the last 5 years or so.

Interior is nice. Does not ride like the escalade etc etc.

I think your customed up idead is not a bad idea, but it really defeats the whole crapshoot.

You know what you have to do. Get a truck/SUV of your choice on your dime for the boat and trailers. Then have them lease you a nice car. Or have them lease you a vehicle that tows the boat and then buy yourself a fucking awesome whip. Get started on the Pantera.

I know you well enough to say that if you custom up a lease vehicle, you will overdo it because you use a 6x6 when a 2x4 would work for most people. That means it will be in and out of the tuners shop or your garage and "need" constant attention and it won't even be completed in 3 years when the lease is comming up.

 

I didn't put up the Range since I drove one before buying the AMG.  Didn't like it at all.  There are about 50 I drive by everday.  It's replaced the Volvo XC90 as the car in my extended neighborhood.

 

Other caveat and problem with the second car.  Until I move I get no toy purchases.  Self inflicted, but going to stick with it.

 

Afraid I'll overdo it as well.  Figured an Saab with 600hp would be streetable daily.  ROFL