Welcome to the IHoP v.2

[///M5 2,833]

Probably going to run Driveline which means I need to learn XML because it isn't what I'd call pretty. Functional yes.

You can design in Adobe muse and let it do the coding.

hmm interesting I assume that isn't freeware though eh?

[///M5 2,833]

The font size is in the settings.

Left to each song is a small circle, if clicked it turns off a song and it's not played anymore. There are also all kinds of shortcuts for file removal, from just the playlist to all the way straght to the Trash.

I assume you are using Aimp3.

Yes. I tried Disable and Remove and neither effected the playlist. Has to be dynamic, ie I can't be forced to save everytime I shut the car off. If it is persistent, ie will live through a shutdown then it'd be ok.

Works for me, it does indeed not save on the playlist, but if I close and open the program it remembers that I've removed a file.

So the only drawback is if you want to use the playlist on another device, but that's just another quick shortcut to save the "new" playlist. It's better than nothing.

that is fine as long as it remembers since it is a manual copy to get the playlist transferred anywya

[Quentin Jarrell 671]

Their cloud service is 50 a month for access to EVERY program adobe makes. I think they have a 30 day trial period l.

[///M5 2,833]

Right. I did test Lightroom that way.

Thanks. I might have a stereo in my car someday

[dem beats 1,223]

Everytine they release a new Lightroom etc they allow another free trial. Kinda cool.

[dem beats 1,223]

My new bag should be here tomorrow. Sweeeeet.

[ssh 924]

I'm not sure if/how you can read obd with this but there's a linux setup for automotive, https://www.flickr.com/photos/linuxfoundation/sets/72157644957457710/

https://automotive.linuxfoundation.org/news/2014-06-30/automotive-grade-linux-delivers-open-automotive-software-stack-for-the-connected-car

 

Might be sweet.

[sandt38 448]

 

Good timing, just replaced the lines with stainless on my truck when I added the Wilwoods. Left the stock hardlines obviously...sure hope they aren't referring to those.

 

Highly doubtful. Never seen anyone blow a hardline before.

 

 

I see it a lot.

[sandt38 448]

Seth et al, any thoughts on how I can determine what can be seen through the OBD if I buy a decent module and software?

So far:

I have a craptastic BAFX Elm 327 bluetooth with Torque Pro on my tablet.

Shows AFR, but it is calculated. Measured comes up blank.

There is no oil pressure listed, but the display in the dash will show it.

EGT is blacked out so no sensor found on the Elm.

Trans temp doesn't show up, but again is displayed on the dash

Fuel pressure can be displayed, rail pressure sensor not found in the software

Oil temp allows me to select it, but it comes up blank

Boost I don't see, but would assume vacuum is there...forgot to look as the above were frustrating me.

Intake air temp works

So, will a different OBD module help? I assume there are other features rolling around on the bus...just not sure how to access them.

According to Palmer Performance all of the above is available, but I don't really want to spend $200 to find out it isn't. If it is all available via CAN on the car then I won't have to install any gauges but will be able to have complete virtual gauges. That would be the bomb. Obviously I will add a boost controller...

 

Torq is a generic OBD2 reader. It will provide limited info, but not oil pressure, trans temp. AFR will always be calculated, as GM uses O2 sensors, not AF sensors. Rest assured, calculated is extremely accurate. Even a Tech 2 will not pull up EGT, so don't sweat it. It is rare on cars, aside from some Asians that use EGT to determine if the EGR valve is open. As far as fuel rail pressure, it is rare that GM has a fuel rail pressure sensor, and highly unlikely that they use them on your truck. Aside from Ford, you rarely see them on any vehicle aside from DFI systems. Be thankful, as Ford rail pressure sensors are a fucking nightmare. Oil temp is rarely displayed on OBD2 (rendering that PID on Torq virtually useless), so don't expect that on many vehicles at all. Vacuum will be listed as MAP, most likely (even though most manufacturers use MAF sensors, GM uses MAP to look at EGR opening, since EGR events lower manifold vacuum), but it will be in an absolute measurement, not direct manifold vacuum. In other words, absolute vacuum is 30inhg, so 10 in of vacuum will read 20in, and 20 in will read 10in (subtract the absolute measurement from 30 inches to get the "actual" reading).

 

Generally you should expect to see, on OBD2, O2 readings, measured load, fuel trims, engine RPM, calculated load, coolant temp, MAF (may be substituted for calculated load), MAP (where applicable in absolute, not actual), IAT and a few other fairly worthless measurements.

 

In all honesty, Torq is one of the better apps for the aftermarket, but it does not compare to a good scanner. Without some form of factory software you will not garner the info you hope to for a screen.

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is all there is to it.

[sandt38 448]

Seth et al, any thoughts on how I can determine what can be seen through the OBD if I buy a decent module and software?

So far:

I have a craptastic BAFX Elm 327 bluetooth with Torque Pro on my tablet.

Shows AFR, but it is calculated. Measured comes up blank.

There is no oil pressure listed, but the display in the dash will show it.

EGT is blacked out so no sensor found on the Elm.

Trans temp doesn't show up, but again is displayed on the dash

Fuel pressure can be displayed, rail pressure sensor not found in the software

Oil temp allows me to select it, but it comes up blank

Boost I don't see, but would assume vacuum is there...forgot to look as the above were frustrating me.

Intake air temp works

So, will a different OBD module help? I assume there are other features rolling around on the bus...just not sure how to access them.

According to Palmer Performance all of the above is available, but I don't really want to spend $200 to find out it isn't. If it is all available via CAN on the car then I won't have to install any gauges but will be able to have complete virtual gauges. That would be the bomb. Obviously I will add a boost controller...

 

Torq is a generic OBD2 reader. It will provide limited info, but not oil pressure, trans temp. AFR will always be calculated, as GM uses O2 sensors, not AF sensors. Rest assured, calculated is extremely accurate. Even a Tech 2 will not pull up EGT, so don't sweat it. It is rare on cars, aside from some Asians that use EGT to determine if the EGR valve is open. As far as fuel rail pressure, it is rare that GM has a fuel rail pressure sensor, and highly unlikely that they use them on your truck. Aside from Ford, you rarely see them on any vehicle aside from DFI systems. Be thankful, as Ford rail pressure sensors are a fucking nightmare. Oil temp is rarely displayed on OBD2 (rendering that PID on Torq virtually useless), so don't expect that on many vehicles at all. Vacuum will be listed as MAP, most likely (even though most manufacturers use MAF sensors, GM uses MAP to look at EGR opening, since EGR events lower manifold vacuum), but it will be in an absolute measurement, not direct manifold vacuum. In other words, absolute vacuum is 30inhg, so 10 in of vacuum will read 20in, and 20 in will read 10in (subtract the absolute measurement from 30 inches to get the "actual" reading).

 

Generally you should expect to see, on OBD2, O2 readings, measured load, fuel trims, engine RPM, calculated load, coolant temp, MAF (may be substituted for calculated load), MAP (where applicable in absolute, not actual), IAT and a few other fairly worthless measurements.

 

In all honesty, Torq is one of the better apps for the aftermarket, but it does not compare to a good scanner. Without some form of factory software you will not garner the info you hope to for a screen.

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is all there is to it.

[sandt38 448]

You could build a link with heim joints. would be adjustable.

 

Bingo. Look for carburetor supply shops, particularly dual carb Carter setups like old Z cars (where side drafts are eliminated in favor or top mounted carbs) or tri power Chrysler or Pontiac set ups. The linkages need to be timed, so these should be available there. Just use all thread or threaded rods for your adjustable links.

[sandt38 448]

You could build a link with heim joints. would be adjustable.

 

Bingo. Look for carburetor supply shops, particularly dual carb Carter setups like old Z cars (where side drafts are eliminated in favor or top mounted carbs) or tri power Chrysler or Pontiac set ups. The linkages need to be timed, so these should be available there. Just use all thread or threaded rods for your adjustable links.

[MKader17 332]

Must be a lot different than J1939, it was fairly simple.

[sandt38 448]

Seriously, wtf. I've downloaded a boat load of music players and can't find ONE that does something REALLY simple that I want.

I will make playlists based on Genre. Then I want to listen to them. When a song comes on I want to remove I want to flag it as "bad" or whatever and have it removed from the playlist.

The lists I already have (and cross Genre's actually) but I just want to remove songs from them. I'd prefer to do it in car and then share the lists across my house and such. Would allow easy exports to smaller devices that can't carry 1tb of music too by exporting appropriate playlists. My music is uber clean and sorted damnit, I just want nice control in the car.

And what is with all the media players and their teeny fonts. I dont' need to see 200 songs on one page, I can fucking scroll.

Dude, even Windows media player and iTunes does that. Why is that so hard? Look into Plex or WinAmp (although they have terminated support for WinAmp IIRC).

[///M5 2,833]

I'm not sure if/how you can read obd with this but there's a linux setup for automotive, https://www.flickr.com/photos/linuxfoundation/sets/72157644957457710/

https://automotive.linuxfoundation.org/news/2014-06-30/automotive-grade-linux-delivers-open-automotive-software-stack-for-the-connected-car

 

Might be sweet.

I am open to any and all operating systems, boot time on linux wouldn't suck but I do think 8 in hibernate mode ought to be similar. Graphics are better on that, but that is the vision of the layout designer. Functionality of course is step one.

[///M5 2,833]

Seth et al, any thoughts on how I can determine what can be seen through the OBD if I buy a decent module and software?

So far:

I have a craptastic BAFX Elm 327 bluetooth with Torque Pro on my tablet.

Shows AFR, but it is calculated. Measured comes up blank.

There is no oil pressure listed, but the display in the dash will show it.

EGT is blacked out so no sensor found on the Elm.

Trans temp doesn't show up, but again is displayed on the dash

Fuel pressure can be displayed, rail pressure sensor not found in the software

Oil temp allows me to select it, but it comes up blank

Boost I don't see, but would assume vacuum is there...forgot to look as the above were frustrating me.

Intake air temp works

So, will a different OBD module help? I assume there are other features rolling around on the bus...just not sure how to access them.

According to Palmer Performance all of the above is available, but I don't really want to spend $200 to find out it isn't. If it is all available via CAN on the car then I won't have to install any gauges but will be able to have complete virtual gauges. That would be the bomb. Obviously I will add a boost controller...

 

Torq is a generic OBD2 reader. It will provide limited info, but not oil pressure, trans temp. AFR will always be calculated, as GM uses O2 sensors, not AF sensors. Rest assured, calculated is extremely accurate. Even a Tech 2 will not pull up EGT, so don't sweat it. It is rare on cars, aside from some Asians that use EGT to determine if the EGR valve is open. As far as fuel rail pressure, it is rare that GM has a fuel rail pressure sensor, and highly unlikely that they use them on your truck. Aside from Ford, you rarely see them on any vehicle aside from DFI systems. Be thankful, as Ford rail pressure sensors are a fucking nightmare. Oil temp is rarely displayed on OBD2 (rendering that PID on Torq virtually useless), so don't expect that on many vehicles at all. Vacuum will be listed as MAP, most likely (even though most manufacturers use MAF sensors, GM uses MAP to look at EGR opening, since EGR events lower manifold vacuum), but it will be in an absolute measurement, not direct manifold vacuum. In other words, absolute vacuum is 30inhg, so 10 in of vacuum will read 20in, and 20 in will read 10in (subtract the absolute measurement from 30 inches to get the "actual" reading).

 

Generally you should expect to see, on OBD2, O2 readings, measured load, fuel trims, engine RPM, calculated load, coolant temp, MAF (may be substituted for calculated load), MAP (where applicable in absolute, not actual), IAT and a few other fairly worthless measurements.

 

In all honesty, Torq is one of the better apps for the aftermarket, but it does not compare to a good scanner. Without some form of factory software you will not garner the info you hope to for a screen.

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is all there is to it.

Thanks, but my poorly worded question was slightly different.

If the sensors are there, Palmer has cracked them for an OBD USB setup for gauges (At least that is what they told me in email, but the dude was such a shit box I don't believe him). I just don't know what is there and can't figure out how to look that up. I believe you answered this with:

"Generally you should expect to see, on OBD2, O2 readings, measured load, fuel trims, engine RPM, calculated load, coolant temp, MAF (may be substituted for calculated load), MAP (where applicable in absolute, not actual), IAT and a few other fairly worthless measurements."

My concern with calculated AFR is if anything is wrong on the tuning tables the calculation will be wrong won't it? I have no idea how it is calculated though so perhaps that is a shitty assumption. I am open to adding a gauge or two, just don't want a crapton and the more virtual access the better.

[///M5 2,833]

Must be a lot different than J1939, it was fairly simple.

Not that it is hard, but unique per application. OBD standardizes jack shit.

[///M5 2,833]

Seriously, wtf. I've downloaded a boat load of music players and can't find ONE that does something REALLY simple that I want.

I will make playlists based on Genre. Then I want to listen to them. When a song comes on I want to remove I want to flag it as "bad" or whatever and have it removed from the playlist.

The lists I already have (and cross Genre's actually) but I just want to remove songs from them. I'd prefer to do it in car and then share the lists across my house and such. Would allow easy exports to smaller devices that can't carry 1tb of music too by exporting appropriate playlists. My music is uber clean and sorted damnit, I just want nice control in the car.

And what is with all the media players and their teeny fonts. I dont' need to see 200 songs on one page, I can fucking scroll.

Dude, even Windows media player and iTunes does that. Why is that so hard? Look into Plex or WinAmp (although they have terminated support for WinAmp IIRC).

Try it with a touchscreen...they also require a "save"

[dem beats 1,223]

Just paid the CC from Europe. Bye bye $$$.

[///M5 2,833]

RAPE

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

[///M5 2,833]

Sweet, I've always wanted to fuck gravity

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

[sandt38 448]

 

 

Seth et al, any thoughts on how I can determine what can be seen through the OBD if I buy a decent module and software?

So far:

I have a craptastic BAFX Elm 327 bluetooth with Torque Pro on my tablet.

Shows AFR, but it is calculated. Measured comes up blank.

There is no oil pressure listed, but the display in the dash will show it.

EGT is blacked out so no sensor found on the Elm.

Trans temp doesn't show up, but again is displayed on the dash

Fuel pressure can be displayed, rail pressure sensor not found in the software

Oil temp allows me to select it, but it comes up blank

Boost I don't see, but would assume vacuum is there...forgot to look as the above were frustrating me.

Intake air temp works

So, will a different OBD module help? I assume there are other features rolling around on the bus...just not sure how to access them.

According to Palmer Performance all of the above is available, but I don't really want to spend $200 to find out it isn't. If it is all available via CAN on the car then I won't have to install any gauges but will be able to have complete virtual gauges. That would be the bomb. Obviously I will add a boost controller...

 

Torq is a generic OBD2 reader. It will provide limited info, but not oil pressure, trans temp. AFR will always be calculated, as GM uses O2 sensors, not AF sensors. Rest assured, calculated is extremely accurate. Even a Tech 2 will not pull up EGT, so don't sweat it. It is rare on cars, aside from some Asians that use EGT to determine if the EGR valve is open. As far as fuel rail pressure, it is rare that GM has a fuel rail pressure sensor, and highly unlikely that they use them on your truck. Aside from Ford, you rarely see them on any vehicle aside from DFI systems. Be thankful, as Ford rail pressure sensors are a fucking nightmare. Oil temp is rarely displayed on OBD2 (rendering that PID on Torq virtually useless), so don't expect that on many vehicles at all. Vacuum will be listed as MAP, most likely (even though most manufacturers use MAF sensors, GM uses MAP to look at EGR opening, since EGR events lower manifold vacuum), but it will be in an absolute measurement, not direct manifold vacuum. In other words, absolute vacuum is 30inhg, so 10 in of vacuum will read 20in, and 20 in will read 10in (subtract the absolute measurement from 30 inches to get the "actual" reading).

 

Generally you should expect to see, on OBD2, O2 readings, measured load, fuel trims, engine RPM, calculated load, coolant temp, MAF (may be substituted for calculated load), MAP (where applicable in absolute, not actual), IAT and a few other fairly worthless measurements.

 

In all honesty, Torq is one of the better apps for the aftermarket, but it does not compare to a good scanner. Without some form of factory software you will not garner the info you hope to for a screen.

 

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that is all there is to it.

 

Thanks, but my poorly worded question was slightly different.

If the sensors are there, Palmer has cracked them for an OBD USB setup for gauges (At least that is what they told me in email, but the dude was such a shit box I don't believe him). I just don't know what is there and can't figure out how to look that up. I believe you answered this with:

"Generally you should expect to see, on OBD2, O2 readings, measured load, fuel trims, engine RPM, calculated load, coolant temp, MAF (may be substituted for calculated load), MAP (where applicable in absolute, not actual), IAT and a few other fairly worthless measurements."

My concern with calculated AFR is if anything is wrong on the tuning tables the calculation will be wrong won't it? I have no idea how it is calculated though so perhaps that is a shitty assumption. I am open to adding a gauge or two, just don't want a crapton and the more virtual access the better.

 

 

 

Calculated AFR is not instantaneous, so for on the fly tuning will not work. Even factory AFR sensors are extremely slow. While a standard O2 sensor reads nearly instantaneously, a factory AFR sensor reads slowly, averaging over a specified period of time. Where I used to be able to diagnose using O2 readings, I now have to rely more on my fuel trim readings. Honestly, learning FTs has been beneficial even with a real O2, but it was not really common knowledge 10 years ago... I hate reading AFR sensors. But you won't really find a DFI style system with OBD2. Odds are you will get it tuned and the tuner will use their own AFR sensor for tuning. Please bear in mind that my tuning is limited to obd1 where we flashed proms or directly programed simple MOTEC DFIs based on AFRs, tailpipe sniffers and dynos. It has been 15-20 years since I did any professional tuning, so my OBD2 tuning is near zero. Howevere, after the vehicle is programmed AFR readings are little more than a cool factor, so calculated AFRs will work for your situation.

 

Keep in mind that your tuner's readings will be extremely accurate, and your Torq program or it's equivalent mean nothing to them. They will use their own input devices and reading devices to establish your tune, so the simple reality is that whatever you choose to do is for your personal enjoyment or for show... no offense intended, of course. Most people like to see the information but rarely know how to use or interpret it. Again, no offense intended, but it takes a shit ton of training and experience to interpret this information.

 

Hacking the data is not very new, in fact most aftermarket scanners do that. They don't buy the software rights, they just backwards engineer it. Even SnapOn, who is in bed with some manufacturers, and even more relevantly, Drew Tech (who makes my Cardaq-M and Cardaq-Plus programmers) actually develop many factory J2534 scanners and programmer for the manufacturers cannot use their data streams without paying royalties, so they reverse engineer it for the aftermarket. In short, I would not be surprised if they can deliver the information accurately enough via a gauge set.

[///M5 2,833]

The hack is easy, you just need the address.

AFR need is due to not trusting the tune. I know no tuners and know the road I am going down will mean tinkering. Long term I plan to even do that myself. Having full display of critical parameters on board helps.

Boost/AFR/EGT/Fuel Pressure/IAT along with standard 60's gauges and I'm happy.

Sounds to me like I'll need AFR & Boost for sure the rest probably not a problem?