Welcome to the IHoP v.2

[ssh 924]

OK, so I just got myself an opportunity for long range, high yield woodchuck/groundhog hunting. My shop manager is a hunter, and he has taken to a .17 HMR that he built the shit out of.. But we discussed hard core varminters and he is interested in a .223 WSSM build. So now I have a varminting buddy again. Unfortunately I sold my varminter several years back. I have decided I will chamber in 22-250 again, and I am going to handload.

 

First to the loads; I will be loading 55-65 grain ballistic tips, but I want to keep my options open to include 70 grain, and possibly 80 grain for really long range coyote shoots. With this thought in mind, ideally I want a 9-10 twist, but I have the option of loading 22-250 improved, which will yeild me a bit more speed, and might stretch me out to 11 or even a 12 twist, but this is not ideal with heavier loads.

 

With that in mind, this is my goal; I want to buy affordable (not opposed to used in good condition), I am looking for something that will shoot very well out of the box, and I would like to have the option for nice upgradeability in the future if I do really wind up doing a lot of varminting.

 

I have narrowed it down to these options. The Savage Model 12 is at the very top of my list, followed closely by the Remington 700, the Tikka T3 light, and the Browning X-bolt.

 

The Savage model 12 receives excellent reviews for out of the box performance. The big deal with it is, they are so easy to customize and build. It comes with the accu-trigger, which is the nicest stock offering, and may not even need an upgrade in the future. Also, the barrels are simple to change, and there is a local barrel builder with tons of custom offerings for the Savage actions. I can get into a Model 12 for ~$500 used, spend $300 on a nice bull barrel and really be done with it.

 

On to the others... The Model 700 is a fantastic action. The barrels require a press to change, and frankly that makes it less appealing to me. I am basically stuck with the stock barrel, unless I want to buy a barrel and have it installed by a smith, making the swap almost twice as expensive as a simple barrel swap on the Savage. The trigger group will have to be swapped out in the future, without a doubt. The Tikka T3 is a damn fine gun. I have a T3 Hunter in .270 WSM. The action is very smooth and well controlled and the shortest out of the selected group, the gun is exceptionally accurate right out of the box, I can swap barrels easily (which I will have to do as the Lite needs a better barrel as all Tikka 22-250s are 14 twists). The Browning... I love the feel of the A and X bolts. I always have. But I have never had the pleasure of shooting one, personally. This is more of a "I have always wanted" rather then an "I really researched it and" kind of a deal.

 

Anyone with any input on any of these choices, or any other options? My goal is to initially spend less that $600, new or used. Glass is handled already.

 

Only thing I can say is some of the rem700s come with a rubber hogue stock and it sucks. As you said the barrels require a press, and use thread locker so they're supposedly a bitch to try and change yourself. I'm pretty happy about the stock trigger on my rem700 sps varmint. It's a light, short, linear pull, no hang ups anywhere. I haven't shot many rifles to compare it to, so feel free to take that with a grain of salt.

 

Might also check out fn herstal to see if they have a rifle with the barrel twist you want.

[ssh 924]

 

Oh, I also was having troubles with the router. Just randomly started loosing wifi but not LAN. About 6 restarts in one day and I was done.

Told you not to buy that POS. Same problems I have with mine. It is WAY more stable now that I have it at the top of the house, but it still is inconsistent. Seems that if there is anything that makes the signal tough the router flips out. In my case I have a chair that obviously blocks wifi. Would be my comfy chair which in particular I NEED right now.

 

Our router is still Wireless G and it's in the attic of the house and still distributes wireless to our garage which is about 80ft away.

 

Only the attic was the place to get signal on the property.

 

However, i know someone who has a Wireless N router in their apartment in their bedroom that cannot even get signal in the living room which is literally connected to a hallway, straight shot about 20ft long.

 

ISP techs have been out there numerous times and changed the router, total 2 different brands now, and no signal in the living room..  it's weird as hell.

Every building is different. Probably have better luck moving the router.

[ssh 924]

 

Not sure why I thought that. 20 would make you rather young since I am not 40 yet...

 

I said I am 15 to 20 older... and I am if you aren't yet 40.

 

Ha, ok then. Not sure why I thought you were 38. Reading on pain killers > me.

You had to own some uber slow dial up then.

I'm 20 and I remember dial up.

[ssh 924]

Free dubstep every time you connect.

[///M5 2,833]

Free dubstep every time you connect.

shoot me now

[shizzzon 461]

 

 

I can't wait for Decaf's version!

[dem beats 1,223]

OK, so I just got myself an opportunity for long range, high yield woodchuck/groundhog hunting. My shop manager is a hunter, and he has taken to a .17 HMR that he built the shit out of.. But we discussed hard core varminters and he is interested in a .223 WSSM build. So now I have a varminting buddy again. Unfortunately I sold my varminter several years back. I have decided I will chamber in 22-250 again, and I am going to handload.

First to the loads; I will be loading 55-65 grain ballistic tips, but I want to keep my options open to include 70 grain, and possibly 80 grain for really long range coyote shoots. With this thought in mind, ideally I want a 9-10 twist, but I have the option of loading 22-250 improved, which will yeild me a bit more speed, and might stretch me out to 11 or even a 12 twist, but this is not ideal with heavier loads.

With that in mind, this is my goal; I want to buy affordable (not opposed to used in good condition), I am looking for something that will shoot very well out of the box, and I would like to have the option for nice upgradeability in the future if I do really wind up doing a lot of varminting.

I have narrowed it down to these options. The Savage Model 12 is at the very top of my list, followed closely by the Remington 700, the Tikka T3 light, and the Browning X-bolt.

The Savage model 12 receives excellent reviews for out of the box performance. The big deal with it is, they are so easy to customize and build. It comes with the accu-trigger, which is the nicest stock offering, and may not even need an upgrade in the future. Also, the barrels are simple to change, and there is a local barrel builder with tons of custom offerings for the Savage actions. I can get into a Model 12 for ~$500 used, spend $300 on a nice bull barrel and really be done with it.

On to the others... The Model 700 is a fantastic action. The barrels require a press to change, and frankly that makes it less appealing to me. I am basically stuck with the stock barrel, unless I want to buy a barrel and have it installed by a smith, making the swap almost twice as expensive as a simple barrel swap on the Savage. The trigger group will have to be swapped out in the future, without a doubt. The Tikka T3 is a damn fine gun. I have a T3 Hunter in .270 WSM. The action is very smooth and well controlled and the shortest out of the selected group, the gun is exceptionally accurate right out of the box, I can swap barrels easily (which I will have to do as the Lite needs a better barrel as all Tikka 22-250s are 14 twists). The Browning... I love the feel of the A and X bolts. I always have. But I have never had the pleasure of shooting one, personally. This is more of a "I have always wanted" rather then an "I really researched it and" kind of a deal.

Anyone with any input on any of these choices, or any other options? My goal is to initially spend less that $600, new or used. Glass is handled already.

I would take the Savage, then the Tika. I would not consider the other too much.

The 700 is cool if you want to do a shit load of upgrades but as you mentioned the savage is the best out of the box. Even the barrels are known to be lasers from the box. The only thing that stopped me from just buying one and being done is that I hate the stocks. None of them fit me well.

[dem beats 1,223]

just put tomato on my router. i'm geeking out a bit with these graphs.

OoooOoo

What kind of graphs???

I told you to use tomato.

Better interface and easier to avoid effing it all up, and that is easy to do when messing with how the network works.

[dem beats 1,223]

Oh, I also was having troubles with the router. Just randomly started loosing wifi but not LAN. About 6 restarts in one day and I was done.

Told you not to buy that POS. Same problems I have with mine. It is WAY more stable now that I have it at the top of the house, but it still is inconsistent. Seems that if there is anything that makes the signal tough the router flips out. In my case I have a chair that obviously blocks wifi. Would be my comfy chair which in particular I NEED right now.

Try tomato or buy the dark night and be happy.

[dem beats 1,223]

Oh, I also was having troubles with the router. Just randomly started loosing wifi but not LAN. About 6 restarts in one day and I was done.

Told you not to buy that POS. Same problems I have with mine. It is WAY more stable now that I have it at the top of the house, but it still is inconsistent. Seems that if there is anything that makes the signal tough the router flips out. In my case I have a chair that obviously blocks wifi. Would be my comfy chair which in particular I NEED right now.

Our router is still Wireless G and it's in the attic of the house and still distributes wireless to our garage which is about 80ft away.

Only the attic was the place to get signal on the property.

However, i know someone who has a Wireless N router in their apartment in their bedroom that cannot even get signal in the living room which is literally connected to a hallway, straight shot about 20ft long.

ISP techs have been out there numerous times and changed the router, total 2 different brands now, and no signal in the living room.. it's weird as hell.

Don't use the shitty router from the ISP. Grab the dark night or a bitchen Cisco or similar and rock out with your cock out.

Networking is tedious shit. Wireless networking with interference and bandwidth optimization is even more so.

Techs don't know shit usuall. I would bet Stephan is 2-3 times better.

[MKader17 332]

The router has been great since I went to DDWRT. Wayyyy better signal

[dem beats 1,223]

The router has been great since I went to DDWRT. Wayyyy better signal

Sorry I misread I thought it got worse.

[ssh 924]

I still haven't tried ddwrt yet, but I'm interested in making a honeypot project sometime.

[///M5 2,833]

honeypot, so that is what kids call it these days

[///M5 2,833]

I've had three occurences of near fainting level pain. 1st was reaching for something at the dinner table, 2nd was rolling over in bed, and the 3rd 10 minutes ago sitting on the throne peeing. Feels uber hot, my eyes glaze over and I nearly faint. I am pretty sure I stop breathing it hurts so bad.

I will add all three times are at about 5-5:30 hours post Vicadin.

[dem beats 1,223]

Damn Sean, I am sorry. Ice and make sure you take the meds. As they wear off you might be starting to get more tense and/or not as high so you are trying to do more.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

I realize that those don't use water so the ruining won't happen, but if there are stains they willbe set in.

 

There are ways to wet clean dry clean only fabrics.  We used a special system on drapery and other textiles in F&W resto.

[ricksi30 923]

I will add all three times are at about 5-5:30 hours post Vicadin.

Well I know that I would be taking it every 5 hours then. Hope you feel better man.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

I remember I was using crutches while on the hydro, messed up the cadence and ended up putting full body weight on the broken leg

 

motherfucker

 

stupid pain meds

Edited September 7, 2013 by Penguin4x4

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

they make you fell all good and shit and then BAM! take away your balance & coordination

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

[sandt38 448]

 

Not sure why I thought that. 20 would make you rather young since I am not 40 yet...

 

I said I am 15 to 20 older... and I am if you aren't yet 40.

 

Ha, ok then. Not sure why I thought you were 38. Reading on pain killers > me.

You had to own some uber slow dial up then.

 

 

Dude, I remember when we didn't have internet... or Windows. My first "computer" was a Commodore VIC20. We didn't have CDs or DVDs, it had a fucking tape deck for media/storage.

[shizzzon 461]

oh im sure stefan has more knowledge than they do and more than I for networking.

 

However, the ISP we have doesn't use crappy hardware or at least that's what the market thinks.

 

I know the first one she had was an Aries i think that's how u spell it.. 

 

They dumped it and gave her a Netgear N600 dual Gigabit which according to reviews is a beast.. 

 

They they gave her another N600 and didnt help either.. 

[dem beats 1,223]

oh im sure stefan has more knowledge than they do and more than I for networking.

However, the ISP we have doesn't use crappy hardware or at least that's what the market thinks.

I know the first one she had was an Aries i think that's how u spell it..

They dumped it and gave her a Netgear N600 dual Gigabit which according to reviews is a beast..

They they gave her another N600 and didnt help either..

There are 2 versions. Maybe she got the older one....

[dem beats 1,223]

WNDR3700v4

Check to make sure the N600 is that version.