Welcome to the IHoP v.2

[nem 2,019]

 

 

Where ya goin?

J

South Jersey, I'll be closer to a lot of my family. I know there is a lot of hate associated with Jersey but even though Az is where I've lived most of my life Jersey is still where I feel at home.

 

You will be much closer to me.

 

[dem beats 1,223]

Because 1,750 HP:

Why would someone put 1700hp in a fugged out crossfire?

I kind of like it's overall look. Clean look inside. Some of the fins are stupid, but overall it is kinda cool.

But is it $2 mill cool?

If I was a billionaire maybe. But it is not 2 mill cool for anything other than saying you can buy a 2 million dollar waste of cash.

[The enD 467]

Personally, I would put my money in a company with decades of experience, not some fancy boat designer's car.

[///M5 2,833]

I'm just saying that's what I've heard from the hiring departments at Genentech. Aegis Sciences, Proven, ACS, and from those in the field I know. Not a huge sampling size, but enough to take it into consideration.

Re-ask the question differently, you'll get the right answer.

Q:

I have a Ph.D. and have applied for bachelor’s- and master’s-level

positions that I think I’m more than qualified for. Why am I not

getting the job?

A:

Dow: It’s difficult for employers to hire somebody who’s above

what they need because they know that you’re not going to be happy in

that role. It’s easy for people to say, ‘No, that’s not the case, I

absolutely will be,’ but companies are just not willing to take that

chance. They know that once things turn around, you’ll be looking to

leave.

Roth: We typically would not look at a Ph.D. for bachelor’s-

and master’s-level positions because they often come in with

expectations about what their career development should look like, and

we worry about creating a two-tiered system for Ph.D.s where we have

some who are managers and others who work at the bench. The concern is

that you’ll create a lot of unhappy people who are Ph.D.s, but they’re

simply working at the bench and have no real opportunity to move up the

scientist career ladder. I can’t say we would never hire a Ph.D. for a

bachelor’s or master’s position, but at least we’ve not done it up to

this point.

Frishberg: The worst result is you get the job you hate as

opposed to getting the job that’s a good fit and that you love. Don’t

forget to consider what that job will look like on your résumé and the

value of any references from it. Your employer has important things to

do and needs you to come in with a commitment to help do them, not spend

half your time wondering why you’re there, with one foot out the door.

http://www.cen-online.org/articles/91/i7/Getting-Help-Getting-Hired.html

I'm not saying that sole article represents the entire field, but from all the other articles I've read online and from the people I've talked to with PhDs in chemistry they agree, so that's why I have this point of view.

Sounds like some of the nutritional articles you've cited. There will always be someone citing one thing or the other. Real world experience tells differently. Currently it is hard as fucking hell to find anyone technical that is worth a shit. I know a lot of companies with open hiring rec's and they take months to fill. On average more than 6. This includes chemists.

Have you hired chemists, or can you talk to those in companies that you work with that do hire chemists, and ask them? Because I'm honestly curious as to what they would say to the question.

I work a ton with 3M. Their comment to me is they are always having a hard time finding good PhD's. Same with Paddock Pharma here in Minny. Paddock was recently bought though so my connection to the owner is no longer real. Dow also told me the exact same thing. We have an open project with Dow to improve the NVH characteristics of their bonding glue's...only they can't find people to work on it.

[///M5 2,833]

I'm just saying that's what I've heard from the hiring departments at Genentech. Aegis Sciences, Proven, ACS, and from those in the field I know. Not a huge sampling size, but enough to take it into consideration.

Re-ask the question differently, you'll get the right answer.

Q:

I have a Ph.D. and have applied for bachelor’s- and master’s-level

positions that I think I’m more than qualified for. Why am I not

getting the job?

A:

Dow: It’s difficult for employers to hire somebody who’s above

what they need because they know that you’re not going to be happy in

that role. It’s easy for people to say, ‘No, that’s not the case, I

absolutely will be,’ but companies are just not willing to take that

chance. They know that once things turn around, you’ll be looking to

leave.

Roth: We typically would not look at a Ph.D. for bachelor’s-

and master’s-level positions because they often come in with

expectations about what their career development should look like, and

we worry about creating a two-tiered system for Ph.D.s where we have

some who are managers and others who work at the bench. The concern is

that you’ll create a lot of unhappy people who are Ph.D.s, but they’re

simply working at the bench and have no real opportunity to move up the

scientist career ladder. I can’t say we would never hire a Ph.D. for a

bachelor’s or master’s position, but at least we’ve not done it up to

this point.

Frishberg: The worst result is you get the job you hate as

opposed to getting the job that’s a good fit and that you love. Don’t

forget to consider what that job will look like on your résumé and the

value of any references from it. Your employer has important things to

do and needs you to come in with a commitment to help do them, not spend

half your time wondering why you’re there, with one foot out the door.

http://www.cen-online.org/articles/91/i7/Getting-Help-Getting-Hired.html

I'm not saying that sole article represents the entire field, but from all the other articles I've read online and from the people I've talked to with PhDs in chemistry they agree, so that's why I have this point of view.

Sounds like some of the nutritional articles you've cited. There will always be someone citing one thing or the other. Real world experience tells differently. Currently it is hard as fucking hell to find anyone technical that is worth a shit. I know a lot of companies with open hiring rec's and they take months to fill. On average more than 6. This includes chemists.

Have you hired chemists, or can you talk to those in companies that you work with that do hire chemists, and ask them? Because I'm honestly curious as to what they would say to the question.

I work a ton with 3M. Their comment to me is they are always having a hard time finding good PhD's. Same with Paddock Pharma here in Minny. Paddock was recently bought though so my connection to the owner is no longer real. Dow also told me the exact same thing. We have an open project with Dow to improve the NVH characteristics of their bonding glue's...only they can't find people to work on it.

[///M5 2,833]

It's not about chemists not willing to work a "lower" job, it's about companies not willing to give them the chance because they believe the chemist will leave with the next opportunity.

 

This applies to pretty much any company hiring for any position. That's why I withhold my education when applying for McD's, Wally World, etc.

That makes no sense either. Put it in context and give them a reason to hire you and you will get the job. It is really that simple

 

This does not work for McD's, Wally World, or Pizza Hut applications. There are a few others that I can't remember at the moment. Education, work history, references, criminal history, questionnaire. They don't ask for, and do not provide a space for, skills, goals, experiences, awards, or projects. These really aren't "entry level" jobs, they're just minimum wage shit jobs.

 

Now, if the application does have space for skills, experiences, goals, etc., then yeah I'm going to tell them my education and how I can be beneficial to their business.

Number one way to fail in any application is to just fill out a form, that isn't even applying IMO.

 

For a real job, something you can start/make a career out of, you are right. For the minimum wage shit jobs, an application form is plenty.

If you define a real job as something you want to get, then I am right. Application forms are just to package information and it usually isn't the information you want to package. I sure the fuck didn't get my bartending job in college with an application.

[///M5 2,833]

Resumes with PhDs / PhDs & masters are often thrown out first for job applications that require a BS or masters. At least in the field of chemistry.

Never. Salary requirements get someone thrown out, not experience or education unless again it is a very rudimentary role

To expand on that, many times we would hire new grads for jobs below their education. Guys with masters doing basic shit. They were Fucking hungry and usually prompt, and if they moved on, they give notice and it's easy to find someone else.

Maybe a guy who used to run an entire lab would have some trouble finding a job scrubbing beekers, but they just don't throw the resume out.

My father in law got the "overqualified" line a lot. And it was because his resume and comments in an interview made him sound set in his ways, because he is. He changed his resume and his attitude and nailed a job ASAP.

You also have to realize that the whole purpose of having a job at a big company is to train your replacement so you can move up. Pretty obvious hiring someone qualified to do that would help.

[///M5 2,833]

J - didn't mean to be so pointed, but the behavior you were describing is awful. There is a reason that CA took down the world economy. Of course in their case it was even worse as it was based on loans they couldn't pay back, but getting in debt or leveraging away your future for a "fix" now is not a good idea.My searches may influence the curve, don't follow mine please. In reality I should be as conservative as you as in the long run I am only falsely leveraging my retirement.

I appreciate your direct advice Sean. I sincerely despise sugar coated bullshit, and I guess I am just a guy with champagne tastes and Old Milwaukees Best for a budget.

I am trying to change and its simple shit like this that helps out man.

J

I used to be in your shoes. Best thing you can do is go after the champagne budget, figure that out and the rest is easy.

[///M5 2,833]

Stefan, if you really want a job and one with serious upward mobility utilizing your pc savvy will work out even better.

[ssh 924]

Stefan, if you really want a job and one with serious upward mobility utilizing your pc savvy will work out even better.

 

Can I just put: "Not computer illiterate" on my resume?

 

 

I kid.

[dem beats 1,223]

Stefan, if you really want a job and one with serious upward mobility utilizing your pc savvy will work out even better.

Can I just put: "Not computer illiterate" on my resume?

I kid.

That mght work with some of the people I know out there.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

12 hours to go and already over-heated. Not good.

[ssh 924]

 

Stefan, if you really want a job and one with serious upward mobility utilizing your pc savvy will work out even better.

Can I just put: "Not computer illiterate" on my resume?

I kid.

That mght work with some of the people I know out there.

I can use MS Word & Excel!

[ssh 924]

[Godsmack 361]

J - didn't mean to be so pointed, but the behavior you were describing is awful. There is a reason that CA took down the world economy. Of course in their case it was even worse as it was based on loans they couldn't pay back, but getting in debt or leveraging away your future for a "fix" now is not a good idea.My searches may influence the curve, don't follow mine please. In reality I should be as conservative as you as in the long run I am only falsely leveraging my retirement.

I appreciate your direct advice Sean. I sincerely despise sugar coated bullshit, and I guess I am just a guy with champagne tastes and Old Milwaukees Best for a budget.I am trying to change and its simple shit like this that helps out man.J

I used to be in your shoes. Best thing you can do is go after the champagne budget, figure that out and the rest is easy.

That's what I am doing. I am working my ass off for the next step, and trying to show them that I am worth so much more than I am being paid at the moment. Considering the company I work directly for is a Fortune 500 company I think I can prove it.

J

[dem beats 1,223]

People are awesome.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

People are weird.

 

[///M5 2,833]

J - didn't mean to be so pointed, but the behavior you were describing is awful. There is a reason that CA took down the world economy. Of course in their case it was even worse as it was based on loans they couldn't pay back, but getting in debt or leveraging away your future for a "fix" now is not a good idea.My searches may influence the curve, don't follow mine please. In reality I should be as conservative as you as in the long run I am only falsely leveraging my retirement.

I appreciate your direct advice Sean. I sincerely despise sugar coated bullshit, and I guess I am just a guy with champagne tastes and Old Milwaukees Best for a budget.I am trying to change and its simple shit like this that helps out man.J

I used to be in your shoes. Best thing you can do is go after the champagne budget, figure that out and the rest is easy.

That's what I am doing. I am working my ass off for the next step, and trying to show them that I am worth so much more than I am being paid at the moment. Considering the company I work directly for is a Fortune 500 company I think I can prove it.

J

You have to make hay if the goal is a harvest. Hours AND time management are key. If you are not familiar with time management techniques you need to be.

[dem beats 1,223]

Sean doesn't know what he is talking about. Buy a boat and pick up a moderate blow habit. You will be 2times as prproductive, and 4 times as motivated.

[Godsmack 361]

J - didn't mean to be so pointed, but the behavior you were describing is awful. There is a reason that CA took down the world economy. Of course in their case it was even worse as it was based on loans they couldn't pay back, but getting in debt or leveraging away your future for a "fix" now is not a good idea.My searches may influence the curve, don't follow mine please. In reality I should be as conservative as you as in the long run I am only falsely leveraging my retirement.

I appreciate your direct advice Sean. I sincerely despise sugar coated bullshit, and I guess I am just a guy with champagne tastes and Old Milwaukees Best for a budget.I am trying to change and its simple shit like this that helps out man.J

I used to be in your shoes. Best thing you can do is go after the champagne budget, figure that out and the rest is easy.

That's what I am doing. I am working my ass off for the next step, and trying to show them that I am worth so much more than I am being paid at the moment. Considering the company I work directly for is a Fortune 500 company I think I can prove it.J

You have to make hay if the goal is a harvest. Hours AND time management are key. If you are not familiar with time management techniques you need to be.

VERY familiar with it, and I use it to my advantage.

J

[Godsmack 361]

Sean doesn't know what he is talking about. Buy a boat and pick up a moderate blow habit. You will be 2times as prproductive, and 4 times as motivated.

Meh. I am sneezing too much for that.

J

[dem beats 1,223]

Devils powder will clear your sinus' out. Like a baws

[gprestonmoto 89]

I feel like there should have been a test you had to pass to be able to breed for the last 20-30 years. I lose my faith in humanity a little more each day.

[ssh 924]

Yeah let's give more control to our government.

[///M5 2,833]

Exactly. FUCK