Welcome to the IHoP v.2

[dem beats 1,223]

I'm just saying that's what I've heard from the hiring departments at Genentech. Aegis Sciences, Proven, ACS, and from those in the field I know. Not a huge sampling size, but enough to take it into consideration.

Re-ask the question differently, you'll get the right answer.

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Q:

I have a Ph.D. and have applied for bachelor’s- and master’s-level

positions that I think I’m more than qualified for. Why am I not

getting the job?

A:

Dow: It’s difficult for employers to hire somebody who’s above

what they need because they know that you’re not going to be happy in

that role. It’s easy for people to say, ‘No, that’s not the case, I

absolutely will be,’ but companies are just not willing to take that

chance. They know that once things turn around, you’ll be looking to

leave.

Roth: We typically would not look at a Ph.D. for bachelor’s-

and master’s-level positions because they often come in with

expectations about what their career development should look like, and

we worry about creating a two-tiered system for Ph.D.s where we have

some who are managers and others who work at the bench. The concern is

that you’ll create a lot of unhappy people who are Ph.D.s, but they’re

simply working at the bench and have no real opportunity to move up the

scientist career ladder. I can’t say we would never hire a Ph.D. for a

bachelor’s or master’s position, but at least we’ve not done it up to

this point.

Frishberg: The worst result is you get the job you hate as

opposed to getting the job that’s a good fit and that you love. Don’t

forget to consider what that job will look like on your résumé and the

value of any references from it. Your employer has important things to

do and needs you to come in with a commitment to help do them, not spend

half your time wondering why you’re there, with one foot out the door.

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http://www.cen-online.org/articles/91/i7/Getting-Help-Getting-Hired.html

I'm not saying that sole article represents the entire field, but from all the other articles I've read online and from the people I've talked to with PhDs in chemistry they agree, so that's why I have this point of view.

Sounds like some of the nutritional articles you've cited. There will always be someone citing one thing or the other. Real world experience tells differently. Currently it is hard as fucking hell to find anyone technical that is worth a shit. I know a lot of companies with open hiring rec's and they take months to fill. On average more than 6. This includes chemists.

Have you hired chemists, or can you talk to those in companies that you work with that do hire chemists, and ask them? Because I'm honestly curious as to what they would say to the question.

These statements are like the one my roommate got where the manager of the office said that if you show up to interview in a tie they will not hire you. HR people lie to prospective applicants and outside people all the time.

It is sometimes as Sean said about education discrimination. Sometimes it is so they can blatantly discrininate for reasons they shouldn't. In academia it is worse. Public sectcor bad.

[dem beats 1,223]

I cannot tell you how often we hired someone without any of the schooling needed on the application. Same in reverse that we would hire people so painfully "overqualified" for a job because we either thought they were a match or they knew someone on the inside.

Managers and HR would lie directly to people's face and tell then that the resumes got weeded out when they didn't, or push them through when they should have been auto filtered out.

[dem beats 1,223]

Allen: Not all companies will provide feedback, but it’s okay to ask. I have always tried to provide feedback to candidates when appropriate. Some examples of constructive feedback I have given in the past include dress professionally, do not chew gum, and be on time.

^------- That comment is a huge blinking red light to why PHDs get shot down. If you are that educated, don't have a job, and walk into an interview acting anything less than perfectly professional you will be seen as arrogant. They will think you feel entitled, and you will have no hope.

[dem beats 1,223]

They also all commented on how recs get interviews. I am surprised they admitted that to some degree. Not all hiring managers or HR people would admit that networking your way in is the best way. What one of them said really stands out about that though.

If you don't approach asking them how you can help, but instead ask"can you find me a job" you will fail every time and have missed the entire way networking works.

[OuTLaWeD 110]

Because 1,750 HP:

Why would someone put 1700hp in a fugged out crossfire?

I kind of like it's overall look. Clean look inside. Some of the fins are stupid, but overall it is kinda cool.

Couldn't agree more with Sean. That thing is ugly!

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

 

Because 1,750 HP:

Why would someone put 1700hp in a fugged out crossfire?

I kind of like it's overall look. Clean look inside. Some of the fins are stupid, but overall it is kinda cool.

 

But is it $2 mill cool?

[Adrian_D 520]

 

 

 

In sales the most important thing is to have the ability to wax poetically when needed, but to spend more time asking questions and earning trust. Then following through honestly.

I am given to asking questions back when a guest asks me a question once I have developed rapport. Usually they don't even know what or how to ask something, and the information they want has nothing to do with the question they asked. So leading the sales process by helping the customer to feel in charge is a big part of it.

Active listening is exhausting. And paying attention to signals can be tough. Most people cannot do it in a professional setting at all.

Have you ever read "what every body is saying?" It's about body language. Pretty good book, definitely inline with your work.

 

I have not. The tough part about body language is that sometimes someone crossing their arms and leaning away just has a cold.

But I do use the basics just because law of averages works in favor for me if I take it into consideration.

 

 

I never could trust the crossed arms idea, especially if the conversation flows naturally. Also I have a habit of crossing my arms even if my actual intentions are not to be closed but open.

 

You aren't reading into it right. Your habit is dealing with social insecurity if I were to take a guess.

You could be right with social insecurity and my bad habit. 

[Adrian_D 520]

 

 

 

In sales the most important thing is to have the ability to wax poetically when needed, but to spend more time asking questions and earning trust. Then following through honestly.

I am given to asking questions back when a guest asks me a question once I have developed rapport. Usually they don't even know what or how to ask something, and the information they want has nothing to do with the question they asked. So leading the sales process by helping the customer to feel in charge is a big part of it.

Active listening is exhausting. And paying attention to signals can be tough. Most people cannot do it in a professional setting at all.

Have you ever read "what every body is saying?" It's about body language. Pretty good book, definitely inline with your work.

 

I have not. The tough part about body language is that sometimes someone crossing their arms and leaning away just has a cold.

But I do use the basics just because law of averages works in favor for me if I take it into consideration.

 

 

I never could trust the crossed arms idea, especially if the conversation flows naturally. Also I have a habit of crossing my arms even if my actual intentions are not to be closed but open.

 

You aren't reading into it right. Your habit is dealing with social insecurity if I were to take a guess.

You could be right with social insecurity and my bad habit. 

[Godsmack 361]

Wouldn't stop me.

Herpes never did.

:rimshot:

Nor 'her' penis.

J

[ricksi30 923]

J! How's life man?

[Godsmack 361]

J - didn't mean to be so pointed, but the behavior you were describing is awful. There is a reason that CA took down the world economy. Of course in their case it was even worse as it was based on loans they couldn't pay back, but getting in debt or leveraging away your future for a "fix" now is not a good idea.My searches may influence the curve, don't follow mine please. In reality I should be as conservative as you as in the long run I am only falsely leveraging my retirement.

I appreciate your direct advice Sean. I sincerely despise sugar coated bullshit, and I guess I am just a guy with champagne tastes and Old Milwaukees Best for a budget.

I am trying to change and its simple shit like this that helps out man.

J

[Godsmack 361]

J! How's life man?

Not bad man. Enjoying work (for the most part) and especially enjoying getting shit paid off.

J

[ricksi30 923]

Awesome man!

[Godsmack 361]

Yourself?

[ricksi30 923]

Yourself?

Good man, getting everything together for the move east!

[Godsmack 361]

Where ya goin?

J

[ricksi30 923]

Where ya goin?

J

South Jersey, I'll be closer to a lot of my family. I know there is a lot of hate associated with Jersey but even though Az is where I've lived most of my life Jersey is still where I feel at home.

[Godsmack 361]

I despise Jersey. Been there a few times and hated each one.

J

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Fuck.  2 hours sleep and getting ready to drive 3 hours.  At least the Nitro should wake me up.

[The enD 467]

[Randal Johnson 544]

is that yours ??

[The enD 467]

Only girls get to see my crocodile.

[nem 2,019]

Where ya goin?

J

South Jersey, I'll be closer to a lot of my family. I know there is a lot of hate associated with Jersey but even though Az is where I've lived most of my life Jersey is still where I feel at home.

 

You will be much closer to me.

[Randal Johnson 544]

LOL

[The enD 467]

 

Where ya goin?

J

South Jersey, I'll be closer to a lot of my family. I know there is a lot of hate associated with Jersey but even though Az is where I've lived most of my life Jersey is still where I feel at home.

 

You will be much closer to me.