Help on Finding tweeters and speakers

[bakesbaked 0]

Going to be running either four 18 fi bl or 15 inch. Was looking into crescendo PWX 6.5 and their super tweeter. but also want to know what some other options are out there. WIll be running in a 4 door tahoe 2004 z71, so standard would be four 6.5s in the doors and two tweeters up on the pillar. any advice as to other companies to research would be appreciated.

[Impious 1,476]

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Goals?

Budget?

More details on mounting locations/installation. When you say "four 6.5's and two tweeters up on the pillar", is that four 6.5's total (one per door)? Both tweeters on the A-pillars?

What do you have for processing?

[bakesbaked 0]

Need more details.

Goals?

Budget?

More details on mounting locations/installation. When you say "four 6.5's and two tweeters up on the pillar", is that four 6.5's total (one per door)? Both tweeters on the A-pillars?

What do you have for processing?

Yes sorry about leaving out the detail. my budget is 4000$ total and im already got about 3000 tied up in amps, subs, and the head unit. so im working with around 1000$ still in need of a battery, so honestly 500$ tops. the two tweeters would run on the a pillars, the 6.5 would be one per door, if thats going to be able to keep up with the subs. which i hope it will, but any ideas before i buy would be nice. overall goal is to be loud but still have some sound quality too. would 6.5 be loud enough to keep up with those? thats as big as i can fit in the doors with out making my own door panels.

[bakesbaked 0]

Need more details.

Goals?

Budget?

More details on mounting locations/installation. When you say "four 6.5's and two tweeters up on the pillar", is that four 6.5's total (one per door)? Both tweeters on the A-pillars?

What do you have for processing?

also i dont know anything about processors so any info there would be extremely appreciated !!

[ssh 924]

Need more details.

Goals?

Budget?

More details on mounting locations/installation. When you say "four 6.5's and two tweeters up on the pillar", is that four 6.5's total (one per door)? Both tweeters on the A-pillars?

What do you have for processing?

Yes sorry about leaving out the detail. my budget is 4000$ total and im already got about 3000 tied up in amps, subs, and the head unit. so im working with around 1000$ still in need of a battery, so honestly 500$ tops. the two tweeters would run on the a pillars, the 6.5 would be one per door, if thats going to be able to keep up with the subs. which i hope it will, but any ideas before i buy would be nice. overall goal is to be loud but still have some sound quality too. would 6.5 be loud enough to keep up with those? thats as big as i can fit in the doors with out making my own door panels.

No it won't keep up with your subs. Don't expect to appropriate so much money in one category, and expect the other category with a fraction of the budget to perform on par. On par in this instance being loudness.

Since your planning a loud bass setup I don't expect you really care about SQ, but rather just having the mids and highs clear, and loud enough that they can actually be heard over the bass.

With your budget you will have to compromise. Ideally large pro audio mids would likely be what your looking, but 6.5 isn't going to cut it. Fiberglassing new door panels / speaker mounts for larger speakers would help, but require a good bit of time and money.

How much space do you have up on the a-pillars for "two tweeters?" Perhaps a pair or two of large format tweeters.

$500 for speakers, amp, and a processor is cutting it close.

[bakesbaked 0]

Need more details.

Goals?

Budget?

More details on mounting locations/installation. When you say "four 6.5's and two tweeters up on the pillar", is that four 6.5's total (one per door)? Both tweeters on the A-pillars?

What do you have for processing?

Yes sorry about leaving out the detail. my budget is 4000$ total and im already got about 3000 tied up in amps, subs, and the head unit. so im working with around 1000$ still in need of a battery, so honestly 500$ tops. the two tweeters would run on the a pillars, the 6.5 would be one per door, if thats going to be able to keep up with the subs. which i hope it will, but any ideas before i buy would be nice. overall goal is to be loud but still have some sound quality too. would 6.5 be loud enough to keep up with those? thats as big as i can fit in the doors with out making my own door panels.

No it won't keep up with your subs. Don't expect to appropriate so much money in one category, and expect the other category with a fraction of the budget to perform on par. On par in this instance being loudness.

Since your planning a loud bass setup I don't expect you really care about SQ, but rather just having the mids and highs clear, and loud enough that they can actually be heard over the bass.

With your budget you will have to compromise. Ideally large pro audio mids would likely be what your looking, but 6.5 isn't going to cut it. Fiberglassing new door panels / speaker mounts for larger speakers would help, but require a good bit of time and money.

How much space do you have up on the a-pillars for "two tweeters?" Perhaps a pair or two of large format tweeters.

$500 for speakers, amp, and a processor is cutting it close.

not sure as to the amount of space available, so even if i put 6.5 in the doors and then say maybe 8s and 10s on part of the box still wouldnt be able to keep up, because i dont have that much time on my hands to mold and tare my car apart, (got to get to work and school daily) so what would be my most sound solution to run with these subs? i can raise my budget a little bit.

[ssh 924]

If your solely interested in loudness than yes you could put speakers behind you, on the box, but I can't promise you'll like the results.

Have you looked to see how the speakers mount on your front doors? You may be able to make a spacer out of mdf, and possibly fit a larger speaker. You should also measure the depth you have to work with as it's not very helpful to recommend speakers that simply don't fit.

[bakesbaked 0]

If your solely interested in loudness than yes you could put speakers behind you, on the box, but I can't promise you'll like the results.

Have you looked to see how the speakers mount on your front doors? You may be able to make a spacer out of mdf, and possibly fit a larger speaker. You should also measure the depth you have to work with as it's not very helpful to recommend speakers that simply don't fit.

will do on the measurements. haha been too busy to really get into this build so far. but overall what kind of sound processors should i be looking into? or does that all depend on the speakers i go with?

[ssh 924]

If your solely interested in loudness than yes you could put speakers behind you, on the box, but I can't promise you'll like the results.

Have you looked to see how the speakers mount on your front doors? You may be able to make a spacer out of mdf, and possibly fit a larger speaker. You should also measure the depth you have to work with as it's not very helpful to recommend speakers that simply don't fit.

will do on the measurements. haha been too busy to really get into this build so far. but overall what kind of sound processors should i be looking into? or does that all depend on the speakers i go with?

If you go with one mid and one tweeter per side then you will need a processor that handles 4 channels, or advertised as "2-way."

Since your on a budget, and the processor is just awesome, I'd take a look at the minidsps. Also what's your headunit? It's unlikely, but perhaps you bought one with processing.

[bakesbaked 0]

If your solely interested in loudness than yes you could put speakers behind you, on the box, but I can't promise you'll like the results.

Have you looked to see how the speakers mount on your front doors? You may be able to make a spacer out of mdf, and possibly fit a larger speaker. You should also measure the depth you have to work with as it's not very helpful to recommend speakers that simply don't fit.

will do on the measurements. haha been too busy to really get into this build so far. but overall what kind of sound processors should i be looking into? or does that all depend on the speakers i go with?

If you go with one mid and one tweeter per side then you will need a processor that handles 4 channels, or advertised as "2-way."

Since your on a budget, and the processor is just awesome, I'd take a look at the minidsps. Also what's your headunit? It's unlikely, but perhaps you bought one with processing.

its the Pioneer AVH 4400 BTD

[bakesbaked 0]

i just came up with an idea. what if i ran 8 6.5 two per door, and then ran two 8 on the sides of the center console. would you believe that would work?

[ssh 924]

i just came up with an idea. what if i ran 8 6.5 two per door, and then ran two 8 on the sides of the center console. would you believe that would work?

Your going to need to clarify the "8 6.5 two per door." Putting drivers in the center console is a bad idea. It won't attribute anything positive except pure loudness. Not sure which is worse: bunch of speakers mounted behind you, or speakers in center console, but both are frightening.

Oh and your headunit doesn't offer the processing you need. Thankfully the minidsp is easy to use, has tons of flexibility, and costs much less than most other processors. IIRC I got mine for about $150ish. The one I had before that was $500, and it even had less flexibility over everything!

[ssh 924]

But before ordering any processor you need to figure out the speaker situation.

[bakesbaked 0]

But before ordering any processor you need to figure out the speaker situation.

alright, well i could make a dual pod for the doors pretty easily and put two 6.5 mids per door. wondering if that would work, im not trying to go to crazy on customizing pods for my doors so if i go to sell my car i dont get to attached to it. but I was thinking 8 6.5 pwx crescendos running on their c1100.4@ 2ohms

[bakesbaked 0]

But before ordering any processor you need to figure out the speaker situation.

alright, well i could make a dual pod for the doors pretty easily and put two 6.5 mids per door. wondering if that would work, im not trying to go to crazy on customizing pods for my doors so if i go to sell my car i dont get to attached to it. but I was thinking 8 6.5 pwx crescendos running on their c1100.4@ 2ohms

or should i get the idea of 6.5 completely out of my head? haha

[ssh 924]

But before ordering any processor you need to figure out the speaker situation.

alright, well i could make a dual pod for the doors pretty easily and put two 6.5 mids per door. wondering if that would work, im not trying to go to crazy on customizing pods for my doors so if i go to sell my car i dont get to attached to it. but I was thinking 8 6.5 pwx crescendos running on their c1100.4@ 2ohms

I have no input on the crescendo drivers. 2 6.5 per door could work. It's not great for imaging, but at least it would be in the direction of the loudness you want, and avoid speakers in the center console. Not sure that I would bother with the rear doors, but I'll leave that up to you.

You still need to decide what you would use for tweeters, and how much space you have on the a-pillars.

[ssh 924]

If it were me I'd still rather use a single 8" per door than multiple drivers.

[///M5 2,833]

"keep up" and what your perception of "good enough" sound are the limiting factors.

You've picked speakers so far that have NO midbass, NO upper midrange, and a top end that is brutally hot and needs taming.

A little note on "keeping" up. In general it takes more budget for the front stage than the sub to achieve the same levels. Once you start limiting things out it severely hurts the response. A function of 6x the budget means you are going to have a lot of compromises. This means you can choose loud or sounds good, not both.

[bakesbaked 0]

If it were me I'd still rather use a single 8" per door than multiple drivers.

i see so if i could make a rise or a spacer like you were saying and place it on the door and slightly modify it i would be seeing better results. how many tweeters should i be looking into putting on the a pillar?

[bakesbaked 0]

"keep up" and what your perception of "good enough" sound are the limiting factors.

You've picked speakers so far that have NO midbass, NO upper midrange, and a top end that is brutally hot and needs taming.

A little note on "keeping" up. In general it takes more budget for the front stage than the sub to achieve the same levels. Once you start limiting things out it severely hurts the response. A function of 6x the budget means you are going to have a lot of compromises. This means you can choose loud or sounds good, not both.

so as far as front stage goes, im going to be needing to put more money down then i planned on basically so i can achieve what i want? i mean its no problem to find a little extra money out there and step up the mids and tweets. i do understand you get what you pay for.

[///M5 2,833]

It isn't about getting what you pay for and much of your cost will be integration and installation.

The mid portion are difficult. Playing 80Hz at 140+dB isn't easy from a small diameter driver in particular if it isn't in an enclosure.

[bakesbaked 0]

i see makes a little more sense, so what are you suggesting for speakers then, dont just focus on the speakers but also the install?

[///M5 2,833]

As with ANY part of the stereo the installation locations, budget, and goals determine what is purchased.