Components and amp questions

[Jaker89 0]

I am running 2 18s walled off in my 2002 grand prix. Before I took the 18s out I was doing a 157.

I am looking for a component set(I believe stock size is 5.25) so that I can hear my mids and highs over my subs. I am aiming for slightly louder next year as well. Going to try to break that 60 mark.

I am not looking to do much fabrication wise so I would like to stick with stock size. I will make a cutout for a super tweeter if that is something someone recommends.

I have looked and hunted around a ton, but can't really figure out where to start and what to look for. Any help would be appreciated.

[ssh 924]

Not going to happen without fabrication.

It's akin to telling your mechanic you want them to make your car fast, and only want to spend fifty bucks.

Your going to need a LOT more cone area from the woofer / mid, and some large format tweeters to get closer to what you want. 5.25" isn't going to cut it.

Compromise and use some large pro audio mids & horns / large format tweeters, or perhaps make little headway with the largest component set you can fit.

Edited September 4, 2012 by stefanhinote

[Jaker89 0]

I've just never built speaker pods and wanted to keep the front of the car looking mostly stock. Biggest I can fit is 5.25.

[ssh 924]

I've just never built speaker pods and wanted to keep the front of the car looking mostly stock. Biggest I can fit is 5.25.

There isn't any way to skirt your limitations at hand, and still meet your goals.

[Jaker89 0]

So I'm pretty much stuck listening to it at low volume to hear my mids n highs unless I want to do some fabrication?

[ssh 924]

So I'm pretty much stuck listening to it at low volume to hear my mids n highs unless I want to do some fabrication?

Pretty much.

You haven't stated what your current speakers are, and if they are amped, but depending on that yes you could possibly upgrade to some 5.25" component set, and end up with some more output then what have now, but it won't put you anywhere close to being well heard and balanced in relation to 157dB of bass (not that I honestly would ever want to hear a front stage that loud, it would literally be deafening).

[An-i-no 86]

So I'm pretty much stuck listening to it at low volume to hear my mids n highs unless I want to do some fabrication?

Yes. A 5.25 is unable to get loud enough to meet your goals.

[Jaker89 0]

My entire front sound stage is stock. Focused on my sub stage first now I want more. I've never done fabrication for mids and highs honestly which is another reason I'm a little against it.

[Jaker89 0]

So I'm pretty much stuck listening to it at low volume to hear my mids n highs unless I want to do some fabrication?

Pretty much.

You haven't stated what your current speakers are, and if they are amped, but depending on that yes you could possibly upgrade to some 5.25" component set, and end up with some more output then what have now, but it won't put you anywhere close to being well heard and balanced in relation to 157dB of bass (not that I honestly would ever want to hear a front stage that loud, it would literally be deafening).

And that's kinda my point. Looking for the shock and awe factor with good clarity as well.

[ricksi30 923]

My entire front sound stage is stock. Focused on my sub stage first now I want more. I've never done fabrication for mids and highs honestly which is another reason I'm a little against it.

If you want it to "keep up" you will have to do some mods, simple as that. If you want the loudest possible front stage without much modding, get a 5.25 to 6.5 adapter and run a pa speaker and a large format tweeter. It won't "keep up" with 160 dbs worth of bass, but anything that could would destroy your hearing rather quickly.

[ssh 924]

So I'm pretty much stuck listening to it at low volume to hear my mids n highs unless I want to do some fabrication?

Pretty much.

You haven't stated what your current speakers are, and if they are amped, but depending on that yes you could possibly upgrade to some 5.25" component set, and end up with some more output then what have now, but it won't put you anywhere close to being well heard and balanced in relation to 157dB of bass (not that I honestly would ever want to hear a front stage that loud, it would literally be deafening).

And that's kinda my point. Looking for the shock and awe factor with good clarity as well.

Well you can either severely compromise on your goals, and gain some loudness, or fabricate some panels for some larger drivers, and gain a lot more.

Another thing to consider is aside from the fabrication, you'll need some sort of processing, and deal with tuning it all.

Have you looked around and seen what others have fit / done on their doors? At least to give you an idea of what you can physically fit.

[Jaker89 0]

So find an adapter for jumping to a 6.5 and run a super tweeter with a pa 6.5 mid?

A few questions based off that.

Where would I find this adapter?

What brand of pa mid would be best for my application?

What brand and type of tweeter?

And what should I look for in an amp?

[Jaker89 0]

So I'm pretty much stuck listening to it at low volume to hear my mids n highs unless I want to do some fabrication?

Pretty much.

You haven't stated what your current speakers are, and if they are amped, but depending on that yes you could possibly upgrade to some 5.25" component set, and end up with some more output then what have now, but it won't put you anywhere close to being well heard and balanced in relation to 157dB of bass (not that I honestly would ever want to hear a front stage that loud, it would literally be deafening).

And that's kinda my point. Looking for the shock and awe factor with good clarity as well.

Well you can either severely compromise on your goals, and gain some loudness, or fabricate some panels for some larger drivers, and gain a lot more.

Another thing to consider is aside from the fabrication, you'll need some sort of processing, and deal with tuning it all.

Have you looked around and seen what others have fit / done on their doors? At least to give you an idea of what you can physically fit.

I haven't seen to many people do this kinda stuff to a grand prix lol

[ssh 924]

So find an adapter for jumping to a 6.5 and run a super tweeter with a pa 6.5 mid?

A few questions based off that.

Where would I find this adapter?

What brand of pa mid would be best for my application?

What brand and type of tweeter?

And what should I look for in an amp?

Your going to need to do some research on drivers. I wouldn't bother with a super tweeter or bullet tweeter.

An adapter could be made out of wood, or possibly already made plastic ones on sonicelectronix, crutchfield, etc.

Your also going to need to measure your mounting depth, so you know what drivers you can fit without hitting the window when down.

[ricksi30 923]

So find an adapter for jumping to a 6.5 and run a super tweeter with a pa 6.5 mid?

A few questions based off that.

Where would I find this adapter?

What brand of pa mid would be best for my application?

What brand and type of tweeter?

And what should I look for in an amp?

Build your own out of mdf. If you are doing this anyway I'd suggest trying to fit an 8 if possible. The brand will be up to you. You'll need a 4 channel and some sort of processing.

[Jaker89 0]

Searching around through sonicelectronics when I seen this post, I have found a few things that I could use. Depth doesnt really seem to be an issue as the speaker is already angled up and they carry depth extenders.

So should I just replace my stock tweets with aftermarkets, pick up some nice pa mids, and find a nice amp?

[Jaker89 0]

So find an adapter for jumping to a 6.5 and run a super tweeter with a pa 6.5 mid?

A few questions based off that.

Where would I find this adapter?

What brand of pa mid would be best for my application?

What brand and type of tweeter?

And what should I look for in an amp?

Build your own out of mdf. If you are doing this anyway I'd suggest trying to fit an 8 if possible. The brand will be up to you. You'll need a 4 channel and some sort of processing.

Without hacking my door panel up a 6.5 is all I am gonna be able to fit.

[ricksi30 923]

You NEED a crossover as well. Either in the form of an active capable head unit, or a separate processor.

[ricksi30 923]

Without hacking my door panel up a 6.5 is all I am gonna be able to fit.

I did 0 modification to my doors other than an mdf ring and fit 8's.

[Jaker89 0]

I am running a Clarion VZ401. not an active headunit so I need to find a crossover as well then.

[Jaker89 0]

Without hacking my door panel up a 6.5 is all I am gonna be able to fit.

I did 0 modification to my doors other than an mdf ring and fit 8's.

Let me get some pics of my doors real quick.

[ssh 924]

Without hacking my door panel up a 6.5 is all I am gonna be able to fit.

I did 0 modification to my doors other than an mdf ring and fit 8's.

Let me get some pics of my doors real quick.

That last statement doesn't mean much considering you have different door panels.

IE: I had to hack up my door panel to fit 7" OD drivers.

[ricksi30 923]

That last statement doesn't mean much considering you have different door panels.

Oh I completely agree, but I do think he should look at it as an option. If it won't work then it won't work.

[ssh 924]

I am running a Clarion VZ401. not an active headunit so I need to find a crossover as well then.

Just get a minidsp 2x4 revB + isolator, + 2way advanced plugin. All in all it'll cost less then $200 (less then all other processors), and it'll have more flexibility then a lot of other expensive processors. You will need a laptop to make adjustments though (which can be set it, and forget it).

Edited September 4, 2012 by stefanhinote

[Jaker89 0]

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