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[jcarver 0]

Again, not a knock on Sundown but I guarantee if you travel in China to a manufacturing facility your comments on quality will change quickly. And yes, been there personally doing just that.

Really? What products was it you was seeing manufactured? I'm just curious.

[edouble101 314]

The Z V.3's are not MADE in the USA they are ASSEMBLED, the motors still come from China. I don't know why edouble has it out for the ZCON/SSA. My Zcon(s) was and were not peaky what-so-ever, I ran the 18's in around 5-8 Ft^3 each and they sounded great.. They reached 26-80hz (where they were crossed over at) with little problem and were awesome groundpounding subs. I have won many many competitions from my Zcons one around a total clamped 3k of power.. I too have an 5k+ to each ZCON with little proplem.

Personally I would pick the Xcon or ZCON over the z.v3 but that's just personal opinion. I believe overall Mark and Aaron's customer service rivals that of Sundown.

I never said the Z.3 was MADE in the USA, I said it was BUILT in the USA. I never bashed the ZCON or any other product in this thread, It is not a driver for my goals but like I said it all depends on your goals.

One other clarification on all that and edouble's review. Take his opinion as biased and based on misinformation. His posts regularly portray inaccurate information. In this case he may have owned even all the drivers, but without discussion of box and application even that leads to inaccurate information.

Now that being said I didn't post this to sway you in any one way or the other based on the response. However, your first post and the one where you reference wanting to blast 5500w into your subs are VASTLY different. That being said throwing that much sauce on any driver I'd personally prefer to rely on customer support and confidence in the buildhouse in which case it's a no brainer IMO. Comparing the mass manufacturing of Sundown to the SSA hand built line isn't fair for Sundown in that aspect.

Since you two clowns misread the op's post here is his quote "So not really looking for someone to help me pick a sub just to tell me any experiences they may have had with these subs, especially if you've used both and any thoughts, suggestions, concerns you may have."

I posted exactly that. No slandering of SSA or any of SSA products. I posted facts and my thoughts on my experiences with SSA products and Sundown products.

And since you brought it up, SSA products do have China produced parts in them. The Z.3 from Sundown has China products in it as well and both are built in the USA.

M5 we can make every thread on this forum a battle ground if you like.

[Sencheezy 689]

I've never ran none of the subs you've mentioned besides the F.i. UFO BTL, SSA Icon, and the Zcon. Currently I'm running my 15" Zcon ona BC5500 @ 1ohm daily, the enclosure is 4.5 @ 34hz. I love it. And many of my friends have also stated how clear it sounds. Its truely amazing imo. So clear, so loud, and a lot of output. I will be getting metered this weekend. I've also heard great things about the Sundown woofers. One of the main selling points, is the amount of space required.

See that's exactly what i wanted to do in the beginning but everyone told me there is no such thing as a sub that can take 5500 daily without giving in quickly. How long have you been running that setup. Any noted experiences. I was originally wanting to do a single 18 on 5500.

I have been running this setup for almost two weeks now. I have also blown the dustcap off. Thats a 2$ dollar fix. My mistake, was sending it too much power outside of its comfort zone. I'm tuned a 34hz, so, everybody knows that you can reach xmech by playing too hard below tuning, what I didn't know, is that the same thing applys if you send it too much power above tuning. Luckily, I learned that without much damage to my driver. Some noted experiences is that, you simply have to pay a lot more attention if you plan on playing hard, which I do. But in my case, if your gonna play, at like, Sub Woofer volume at +10, then you will never have an issue, and wouldn't have to monitor too too closely. But its when I'm out with friends, trying to show out, on very dynamic music that I'm not experienced with at +15, THEN you are going to want to keep your hand on the volume know. How much output difference there is when increasing power, for me, A LOT lmao. The zcon does not take a lot of power at all to get loud. But for me to get that wind tunnel going on, I need to crank it up around tuning, then it gets really silly

Before, I could barely keep a cup trick going with the AQ1200, but now, its NO problem at all lol. The main reason I LOVE doing it this way, (adding power), is that, the amplifier I believe runs a shit ton more efficient than running the aq1200. The reason I say that is because, with the aq, I felt like, I was pushing the amp to its limit, to get the zcon louder. Which meant inefficiency, clipping, and distorting. These three things can actually kill the sub faster than running a larger amp with minimal stress. Reason being, I don't need to push the 5500 to its limit, to get the Zcon going. I have NO idea how much power I am actually sending to the zcon. So to say I am giving the zcon 5500 daily would be ignorant. I don't car how much power I'm giving it, as long as the driver is playing happily, and I'm happy with the results.

[///M5 2,833]

Again, not a knock on Sundown but I guarantee if you travel in China to a manufacturing facility your comments on quality will change quickly. And yes, been there personally doing just that.

Really? What products was it you was seeing manufactured? I'm just curious.

I've been in pretty much every hard drive subcomponent plant in asia including those that make PCB's for them. Also some other technology plants, but I can't share what they are due to an NDA with their mother companies here.

One other clarification on all that and edouble's review. Take his opinion as biased and based on misinformation. His posts regularly portray inaccurate information. In this case he may have owned even all the drivers, but without discussion of box and application even that leads to inaccurate information.

Now that being said I didn't post this to sway you in any one way or the other based on the response. However, your first post and the one where you reference wanting to blast 5500w into your subs are VASTLY different. That being said throwing that much sauce on any driver I'd personally prefer to rely on customer support and confidence in the buildhouse in which case it's a no brainer IMO. Comparing the mass manufacturing of Sundown to the SSA hand built line isn't fair for Sundown in that aspect.

Since you two clowns misread the op's post here is his quote "So not really looking for someone to help me pick a sub just to tell me any experiences they may have had with these subs, especially if you've used both and any thoughts, suggestions, concerns you may have."

I posted exactly that. No slandering of SSA or any of SSA products. I posted facts and my thoughts on my experiences with SSA products and Sundown products.

And since you brought it up, SSA products do have China produced parts in them. The Z.3 from Sundown has China products in it as well and both are built in the USA.

M5 we can make every thread on this forum a battle ground if you like.

I realize what the OP asked, but I also know how you are regularly confused so I wanted to clarify. Sharing experiences is fine, but he can't infer any details about the poster from the experiences. In no way was my response about the drivers, just clarification on the experience and what he should read out of it.

As for the request to troll. Not something I'm interested in, but I can't imagine why you'd want to embarrass yourself.

[helotaxi 46]

In this build I don’t plan to go below 1 ohm I was really just asking for information. What really makes the difference is what I’m wondering, aside from putting the amp under unneeded stress. I know the couple hundred extra watts I get wouldn’t be worth the extra stress so I won’t be something I plan to do. Just curious really. From what I really know of it it just allows more current to flow but makes the amp less efficient.

It allows more current to flow and makes the amp less efficient. That's exactly the difference. More current and less efficient means that you're drawing proportionally more current from the vehicle electrical system compared to the power output. It also means that the amp is flowing more current at lower efficiency meaning that it is generating significantly more heat that it must get rid of to keep from failing. Considering the usually only marginal gain, running a lower than normal impedance isn't worth it daily.