Switching old school to new school

[Underground Audio 0]

I am looking for a suitable replacement of 4 Boston Acoustics Pro series 10.4LF. Normally when a customer is looking for sq I just direct them to Boston Acoustics 3 series subs because I've got the hook-up and can make a little on the deal. But with the car audio division of Boston I would rather start using something else. I currently have a customer that owns 4 10" B/A's And even though 2 of them need to be re-coned, he still thinks that it's the best way to go. I am trying to steer him toward something newer, but am not going to be left looking like an ass if it don't perform as good or better. Honestly I have only heard the two that he had in his Camaro and they really slam off a bridged out A/D/S PQ20. So he will surely be using his PQ20 and one that I have sold him to drive 4, 4ohm subs @200watts each but I have to be sure whatever we use really pounds like the four 10 he had. He will not go bigger than 12's, he feels that "big" subs are not tight enough. I agree. Not looking to win SPL comps, but wants to ,and I quote "shake your windows and break my molars" LOL Any input would be great. If nothing else this should be a fun topic. Box design is only limited by my imagination, he has an Escalade. So, any sub combination running off 200watts each that will hit harder than 4 Boston Pro 10.4LF's Thanks for the input.

BTW If anyone says 4 BOSS 12's I'm leaving the forum.

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[Tirefryr 1,742]

4 Boss 12s.

[fearlessgangsta 12]

4 Boss 12s.

^ Win

But, have you looked into the Dcons, Incriminator I's, Skar IVX's, or Sundown E's? All rated at 300w and at 200w a piece should sound nice.

Edited April 18, 2012 by Fearz

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

Funky Pup's Bro!

Dont let that motor fool you, straight up Kryptonite.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

In all seriousness, if both of you feel that "larger" subs are not "tight enough," then you really need to do some reading. Tightness would be indicative of midbass response and "shaking windows and breaking molars" does not equate to sound quality. He just wants something that gets loud and is pleasing to his tastes. I'm sure this could be achieved with the 4 Boss 12s. In fact, I would be willing to bet, they could be applied to sound exactly the same as many other drivers on the market he would deem acceptable.

[Underground Audio 0]

In all seriousness, if both of you feel that "larger" subs are not "tight enough," then you really need to do some reading. Tightness would be indicative of midbass response and "shaking windows and breaking molars" does not equate to sound quality. He just wants something that gets loud and is pleasing to his tastes. I'm sure this could be achieved with the 4 Boss 12s. In fact, I would be willing to bet, they could be applied to sound exactly the same as many other drivers on the market he would deem acceptable.

I have done ALOT of reading. Like I said. EVERYTHING looks good on paper. And I also once thought that bigger woofers were better until 20 years ago when I took 2nd at The War At The Shore in Jersey with a set of Soundstream Reference 12's to an Eclipse with 8 A/D/S 6's. Back when competition was based on sound, not noise. BTW He had the same amp! A/D/S PQ20 And if you think that Boston Acoustics Pro 10's don't hit solid, than you ain't been around long enough. No offense. My mom used to bitch when he came over because the bass would turn all her pictures on the wall even though my driveway was on the other side of the house. Off of 400watts rms.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Wow. I'm done. Good luck.

[S.DeYoung 968]

So much fail.

OP it seems like you have a lot to catch up on in car audio. No offense.

[swift 501]

People actually pay you? Lol

[Skullz 8]

SSA, FI, AA, DD are the some of the best non-mainstream names in the game.

You have to pay to play.

[An-i-no 86]

In all seriousness, if both of you feel that "larger" subs are not "tight enough," then you really need to do some reading. Tightness would be indicative of midbass response and "shaking windows and breaking molars" does not equate to sound quality. He just wants something that gets loud and is pleasing to his tastes. I'm sure this could be achieved with the 4 Boss 12s. In fact, I would be willing to bet, they could be applied to sound exactly the same as many other drivers on the market he would deem acceptable.

I have done ALOT of reading. Like I said. EVERYTHING looks good on paper. And I also once thought that bigger woofers were better until 20 years ago when I took 2nd at The War At The Shore in Jersey with a set of Soundstream Reference 12's to an Eclipse with 8 A/D/S 6's. Back when competition was based on sound, not noise. BTW He had the same amp! A/D/S PQ20 And if you think that Boston Acoustics Pro 10's don't hit solid, than you ain't been around long enough. No offense. My mom used to bitch when he came over because the bass would turn all her pictures on the wall even though my driveway was on the other side of the house. Off of 400watts rms.

You did two things wrong here. You can't compare the technology of 20 years ago to today. If you SERIOUSLY think that technology hasn't advanced far enough to do things AS good of not BETTER than 20 years ago (by that I mean the ability to have an 18 inch woofer that sounds crisp, sharp, and clean) then you probably won't listen to any of our suggestions.

If you think today's bass is noise (not sure how bass has changed over the years)....then you probably won't listen to any of our suggestions.

If you think the woofers and amp that you already have are the best around (I'm not necessarily saying that you ARE saying that, BUT, you're entitled to do so if you like them that much.) then you probably won't listen to any of our suggestions...

Do you see where I'm going here? You can't expect something you buy today to meet the goals and expectations of a customer from 20 years in the past. If you want to switch to "new school" you have to make some compromises. The first of those compromises is to accept that something you buy tomorrow may not be AT ALL similar to what you have.

[Notorious97200 339]

to the forum !

You need to read more on the forum, and then come back with your questions.