opinions on this comp set?

[Curtis96olds 1]

i see that there are 2 models for this component set, 2 and 4 ohm.

i would just get the 4 ohm model and wire up everything like normal but bridge your amp to each side.

so effectively in this option your amp would be running at 500 rms x 2 @ 4ohm. i little bit of head room here. haha

your idea would also work i guess, although i would use the passive network with the tweeter. this is assuming that there is no filter for the woofer.

in this case you would use the 2ohm model for the woofer, which would receive 250x2 @ 2ohm. The tweeter on the other channels would get 125 x2 @ 4ohm i assume. i bet they just have the same tweeter for both and you would attenuate accordingly.

too be honest im surprised that a 300 dollar set of comps do not have a filter for the woofer.

so your saying having 500 watts per side on tap isnt too much? i realize i would have to back down the gain quite a bit, but if they can take it then i may just go that route, it just scares me knowing that there is that much power on tap per speaker considering i blew a ctx mid with only 125 watts, granted ive had them a few years, and they went thew a roll over in my last vehicle.

wow, i just found this http://www.diymobile...ics-xs-65s.html coming from erik himself, one of the main guys at image dynamics. after reading that im willing to spend the extra 100 bucks and get there XS series components and bridge them for 500w per side like you said.

looks like he recommended 250 per woofer with a highpass around 80hz, of course you can just back the gains down or raise the cross over point some.

did you previous set die from over excursion or did you burn them up?

im guessing overexcursion, the surround ripped away from where it attaches to the basket, and the speaker doesnt play at all anymore, so it may be a combination of both. i had them high passed at 80hz

[lithium 358]

yep, definitely over excursion. they could have probably gotten louder with a higher hpf and raising the sub's lpf to fill in the gap. that is until you reach the thermal limits of the driver and/or crossover.

the lower the frequency the more excursion required to reproduce that frequency. so by raising the hpf you can run more power at the expense of losing low frequency reproduction.

edit: you should have been able to hear the speaker distorting when driving it so hard. this is something you need to recognize to prevent future failure.

Edited March 19, 2012 by lithium

[Curtis96olds 1]

i did hear it distorting at the last minute, i heard a fluttering sound (which im assuming was the surround flapping around) and then it was done, im running a FI BTL 18 for a sub in an extended cab truck. its hard to hear my front speakers distorting over that, which is why im trying to get louder components.

[altoncustomtech 773]

18" BTL? I'm surprised you can hear anything at all over it, lol.

$350 may be more than you can afford at one time, but that's the beauty of patience. Of course it sucks with a blown driver, it's almost a necessity to grab something cheap for the time being but I digress. It's in your best interest to save your money and buy what you really NEED and WANT rather than buy whatever you can afford now and spend money again later because it wasn't the best purchase choice. That gives you the time to figure out exactly what is the best course of action, time to research products, and time to maybe learn about some of the finer aspects of customization such as fiberglassing. Then you will have spent your money wiser and be that much farther ahead in the long run.

[Curtis96olds 1]

well thats the thing, ive actually been doing research on what speakers i want for the past week straight, every minute ive been home from work, and i still got nothing lol. i honestly actually can spend 500 bucks on this, as much as i would like to wait and save more, it would take me a long long time, ive got things coming up that will eat my money so 500 is my limit

[altoncustomtech 773]

I'm married and have four kids, I KNOW all about the inability to save money!!!! LOL.... Keep researching, you can never learn too much about the multitude of products that are available. $500 is a GREAT budget limit, even $350 isn't bad. I hate it when I see people start threads about needing new components and giving it a $100 or similarly starved budget.

Finding a straight up simple component set that will "keep up with" that BTL is probably going to be tough, no matter the budget. Just my two 12" Q's can easily drown out the components in the van if I turn them up, I can't imagine how any could keep up with and be equally heard with that 18" BTL. Looking for something with a true and high sensitivity will be about the only way to achieve that. Unfortunately, a compromise will have to be had somewhere it seems to get the results you're seeking. I wish you the greatest of luck with it.

[Curtis96olds 1]

see, if i just listended to rap/hiphop i wouldnt mind getting something with a high sensitivity rating with a huge coil which would cause a lack of midbass like said earlier in this thread, but i listen to rock/metal/screamo/deathmetal and rap/hiphop so they need to be diversed speakers lol.

i know it sounds like im being very picky, and i am lol, but i have to be picky to get what i want, i dont like to settle, i mean yeah i could easily just buy another set of the ID ctx components that i was "happy" with, but i wouldnt be progressing with my system if i did that, and if im gonna spend the money, it may as well be an upgrade, i just dont know if the cxs components are worth the extra150 buck they cost over the ctx components.

[Curtis96olds 1]

well i finally made my decision, just ordered a set of ID XS65 components, there highest set of components. this way i have a few options on how i can run them.. i can either run them passive on channels 1 and 2... or passive with channels 1+2 and 3+4 bridged... or i can run the mids on channels 1+2 with just a high pass filter on them (they naturally roll off, no need for a low pass filter) and then run the tweets through the crossovers to channels 3+4.

i like the last option the best, seems like thats the way i can get the most power to them without OVER powering them with the 500 watts per side lol

thanks for all the help guys! i really do appreciate it.

[altoncustomtech 773]

Awesome, be sure to let us know how it works out! Those components are on my long list of equipment I want to try out someday too, lol.

[Curtis96olds 1]

Awesome, be sure to let us know how it works out! Those components are on my long list of equipment I want to try out someday too, lol.

if there on your list of stuff you want to try, and like new stuff, then i would get them ASAP, from what i understand image dynamics sold there company and they no longer make new products, so whats out there for stock is whats available. in case you didnt know.

[altoncustomtech 773]

Yep I knew about it, but there's no logical reason for me to do so. I don't have the money to randomly buy equipment I don't need and don't make changes to my setups unless there's a problem with them. For example, the components in the van are on their way out, so I got a set of Bravox CS603CF's for it when they went on clearance for a price that couldn't be passed up. I also didn't even look into getting the Fi Q's and Sundown amps for it until the subs in the setup that was in it before this blew and the amps were causing problems. I do appreciate the look out though. I've got a set of ID CTX's I picked up through a trade that I'll play with sometime soon.

[Impious 1,476]

Awesome, be sure to let us know how it works out! Those components are on my long list of equipment I want to try out someday too, lol.

if there on your list of stuff you want to try, and like new stuff, then i would get them ASAP, from what i understand image dynamics sold there company and they no longer make new products, so whats out there for stock is whats available. in case you didnt know.

For reference, ID didn't sell the company. Eric Stevens owned ID. Several years ago he brought in a partner, I believe the owner of Powerbass. Eric & the new partner had some sort of conflict, so Eric left (as well as another employee who was pretty important to the operation, Matt B) and the business is now in control of the partner.