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[95Honda 486]

OK, he had the Q 10 installed and everything buttoned up. The install shop did a great looking job. I will post pics up tonight.

But, my buddy is complaining about a complete lack of output from the 10, and I am worried about how the install shop set everything up. I will work over the phone (ugh) helping my buddy be sure they set it up like I said... They told him Zed amps aren't 2 ohm stable, so I am worried they wired the sub up in series on one channel... (sub is dual 2)... They also told hin Zed amps don't put out anywhere near rated power, blah blah blah....

He told me the sound quality is awesome, when he is sitting in the garage with the car off it sounds great. When the car is running, it can't keep up with the front stage at all...

I need to just walk him through some setup. I am a bit dissapointed with the install shop though.... errhhh.

Also worried about cancellation, box is forward firing about 1/3 into the cabin, you will see in the pics....

Work in progress....

[sefugi 166]

Looking forward to more pics!!!! Have always loved the look of the fastback!!

[S.DeYoung 968]

Zed doesn't make rated power.

Look forward to more pictures. This is an awesome install!

[95Honda 486]

Here is a link to more pics-

http://www.dropbox.com/gallery/7037315/2/mustang/stereo-sept-2011?h=840c67

I am at work and cannot open the link, if someone feels so inclined, I wouldn't mind a bit if they were posted...

[ssh 924]

Im on my phone, otherwise I would.

Looks clean.

[onebadmonte 235]

[S.DeYoung 968]

I agree with the cancellation. It looks good but I don't think it is setup for the best sound. This seems to be most install shops idea. Over the phone troubleshooting is always difficult. Good luck.

[onebadmonte 235]

Beefy sub but I think it's gonna need more power to get loud.

[95Honda 486]

Believe it or not 600 watts is alot of power, especially for non SPL type system.

Something is wrong with the setup/install. I just have to figure out what...

[onebadmonte 235]

Believe it or not 600 watts is alot of power, especially for non SPL type system.

Something is wrong with the setup/install. I just have to figure out what...

No doubt 600 watts is plenty of power. I was just saying since there was a concern of lack of output and there was only "600 watts" going to a sub rated for "1500 watts". Maybe a little more power would do the trick, since the sub is in a small box. It'll be interesting to see what the culprit turns out to be in this one. Keep us posted.

[ssh 924]

Believe it or not 600 watts is alot of power, especially for non SPL type system.

Something is wrong with the setup/install. I just have to figure out what...

No doubt 600 watts is plenty of power. I was just saying since there was a concern of lack of output and there was only "600 watts" going to a sub rated for "1500 watts". Maybe a little more power would do the trick, since the sub is in a small box. It'll be interesting to see what the culprit turns out to be in this one. Keep us posted.

Nonsense, when I had my bl I was using a saz1500, when I sold the bl, the guy tested it in my car, same box, but with his 400watt Sony xplod amp. It was almost as loud as before.

[95Honda 486]

It is just that the way my buddy is describing it, something is definetly wrong. Additionally, he has a good set of ears. He also has decent refence system for comparison, wich realy makes things alot easier....

[95Honda 486]

Thing is, a 10" with 600 watts should be plenty for what he wants....

I really think something may be screwy with the way the sub loads. I am probably going to have him try and secure a large board in front and see if anything changes.... Try and break up a mode that is causing this.

Also going to have him move around in the back and see if he can find a real hot spot in output....

See, I have never loaded a sub in a an open car that way, let alone in the middle facing forward. it looks really nice, but goes against my past success formula....

Changing loading and listening around may be the trick... I dunno, we'll see...

[onebadmonte 235]

Thing is, a 10" with 600 watts should be plenty for what he wants....

I really think something may be screwy with the way the sub loads. I am probably going to have him try and secure a large board in front and see if anything changes.... Try and break up a mode that is causing this.

Also going to have him move around in the back and see if he can find a real hot spot in output....

See, I have never loaded a sub in a an open car that way, let alone in the middle facing forward. it looks really nice, but goes against my past success formula....

Changing loading and listening around may be the trick... I dunno, we'll see...

Well it's definitely a balancing act for sure. With the install buttoned up as pictured I'd be hard pressed to tear it all up and move the box around for better sound. I'd think it would come down so some EQ and raw power. Not much else you can do with a sealed box to fix the sound. No matter what approach you take I'm definitely interested in how it gets fixed. Hell it could be as simple as the sub being out of phase with the rest of the system. Good luck and keep us posted.

[onebadmonte 235]

Believe it or not 600 watts is alot of power, especially for non SPL type system.

Something is wrong with the setup/install. I just have to figure out what...

No doubt 600 watts is plenty of power. I was just saying since there was a concern of lack of output and there was only "600 watts" going to a sub rated for "1500 watts". Maybe a little more power would do the trick, since the sub is in a small box. It'll be interesting to see what the culprit turns out to be in this one. Keep us posted.

Nonsense, when I had my bl I was using a saz1500, when I sold the bl, the guy tested it in my car, same box, but with his 400watt Sony xplod amp. It was almost as loud as before.

Now was that to the ear or on a meter? I bet you tell that to all the kids you sell your subs to. Just messing with bro.

I'm in the state of mind that sealed boxes need the cabin gain and the only way to get more out of them is to put more power into them. Big ported boxes are a different animal. I guess it comes down to this Hoffman character and his silly law.

[95Honda 486]

It's going to be a challenge either way.

And yes, moving things around will be very tough. They did a very nice job with the install....

[doc 0]

It's my car so I guess I'm responsible for posting the pics

EDIT: still didn't work, I'll put them somewhere public shortly....

As you can see, these guys are really great with the fab work but as you can tell from 95honda's posts I just think they aren't in touch enough with today's cutting edge gear (ZED, FI, etc) and current best practices.

I'm confident 95honda and I will sort it out, though. We always do

Edited October 31, 2011 by doc

[ssh 924]

It's going to be a challenge either way.

And yes, moving things around will be very tough. They did a very nice job with the install....

Well im tuned in to see the results.

[onebadmonte 235]

It's my car so I guess I'm responsible for posting the pics

As you can see, these guys are really great with the fab work but as you can tell from 95honda's posts I just think they aren't in touch enough with today's cutting edge gear (ZED, FI, etc) and current best practices.

I'm confident 95honda and I will sort it out, though. We always do

Welcome to the forum Doc. You have quite a nice ride there sir.

I don't doubt 95honda's abilities, you're in good hands there. Now if only he shares his secrets, well, we can only hope.

[doc 0]

Thanks for the kind words, slowly but surely making it perfect

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Stick your head in the footwell and see if the bass improves. If so, you do have a cancellation issue.

The car and install are beautiful!

[95Honda 486]

Plan A is trying a different headunit with adjustable sub out. I think this is hurting things right now.

Plan B will be trying to find out it there is indeed cancelation problems that can be solved.

Plan C is a pair of Minotaurs.... A little overkill, but would probably help output. Would be 4X the power... what can I say, he likes Zed...

I will keep you guys in the loop as things progress....

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

[doc 0]

Yeah, just ordered up a CDE-123 and the Bluetooth module (I'm spoiled by A2DP in the 4runner). It's got the 4V pre-outs and adjustable sub level so hopefully that does the trick. If not, anyone want my Leviathan-II in exchange for a Draconia-II and/or two Minotaurs?

Just seems silly to waste that 5+6 channel, hopefully the deck will do the trick.

[edouble101 314]

Yeah, just ordered up a CDE-123 and the Bluetooth module (I'm spoiled by A2DP in the 4runner). It's got the 4V pre-outs and adjustable sub level so hopefully that does the trick. If not, anyone want my Leviathan-II in exchange for a Draconia-II and/or two Minotaurs?

Just seems silly to waste that 5+6 channel, hopefully the deck will do the trick.

I am very interested in the Leviathan-II. Sending a PM now.