Legatia L841-3 Pro Components for BMW

[slim142 9]

Hi

I have a 2008 BMW 328i Sedan with the standard Hi-Fi stereo system (1" tweets, 4" midranges, 8" midbass)

I been looking around E90Post to see what people have been replacing their components with and found that most put Focal, MB Quart, Morel or Earthquake (for the midbass).

However, after looking around other places, I saw this brand that calls themselves the best when it comes to SQ? The brand is Hybrid Audio and they have a bunch of trophies from SQ competitions.

I want to put the very best as I drive this car a lot and dont want to be worrying about upgrading in the future.

This is the "best" they offer = Legatia L841-3 Pro Component Speaker Set

Exactly what I need. 8" for the midbass, 4.65" for the doors and 1" for the A-pillar.

Now I want to know, does anyone have any experience with Hybrid audio? Anybody experienced their Legatia series?

Any opinions in general?

My goals are SQ. For subwoofers I will be using 2 XCON 12s for anything below 63Hz. Midbass will prob handle 63-250hz, Midrange 250-2500 and tweeter from 2500 and up.

Edited April 30, 2011 by slim142

[Julian 641]

Hat comps are pretty great I believe one of the owners floats around on here

[slim142 9]

Hat comps are pretty great I believe one of the owners floats around on here

Good to hear some feedback about them!

Do you know the nickname of that user?

His input would be great!

[Julian 641]

I can't recall i think it's johnecon

[steveo50 3]

I have heard if then,but I have not heard them with a price like that is probably why I have never heard them. Most of the time you get what you pay for....except for jl....

[jntar 15]

You came in and asked at the right time

I have both experience with Hybrid speakers and BWM's. I am currently buying parts for my current build. '06 325i which is the same speaker setup/arrangement.

The normal L4 hybrids will fit just fine. The L4 line is at the max of fitment ability, our cars have ~55mm mounting depth and the L4SE is around 58.6mm. I went with the regular L4s over the pro since I wanted a simple install with no issues.

I have had the L1s the L3s and soon the L4s. I can honestly say these are very nice speakers and top notch in quality build and sound.

The componet set you listed will not fit. For starters that under seat drivers are just as shallow as the door speakers Your best bet is to stick with the speakers listed on e90post if you plan on replacing them.

I will be running mine with the following crossover points.

12" Adire Audio Brahma MKII 0-60Hz

Stock sub speakers under seat 60-150Hz (I have to keep the stock subs to compete in the USACI SQ class I am building for)

L4 Midranges 150-3.5Khz (These have the ability to play down to 150hz crossed over correctly and actually still manage to play into the 3khz-3.5khz range rather smoothly)

Seas Lotus Reference RL27 tweeters 3.5khz+

Finally I am going to run another L4 and Lotus speakers in the center channel location which my car is hifi so I will have to fabricate mounting.

All ran with the JBL MS-8 processor. Still working out the details on amps at this time.

Any other questions give me a shout.

[nem 2,019]

I can't recall i think it's johnecon

I believe you are referring to johnecon2001, but I do not know his affiliation is with Hybrid audio.

[Duran 387]

I can't recall i think it's johnecon

I believe you are referring to johnecon2001, but I do not know his affiliation is with Hybrid audio.

He does, however, run HAT drivers

[slim142 9]

You came in and asked at the right time

I have both experience with Hybrid speakers and BWM's. I am currently buying parts for my current build. '06 325i which is the same speaker setup/arrangement.

The normal L4 hybrids will fit just fine. The L4 line is at the max of fitment ability, our cars have ~55mm mounting depth and the L4SE is around 58.6mm. I went with the regular L4s over the pro since I wanted a simple install with no issues.

I have had the L1s the L3s and soon the L4s. I can honestly say these are very nice speakers and top notch in quality build and sound.

The componet set you listed will not fit. For starters that under seat drivers are just as shallow as the door speakers Your best bet is to stick with the speakers listed on e90post if you plan on replacing them.

I will be running mine with the following crossover points.

12" Adire Audio Brahma MKII 0-60Hz

Stock sub speakers under seat 60-150Hz (I have to keep the stock subs to compete in the USACI SQ class I am building for)

L4 Midranges 150-3.5Khz (These have the ability to play down to 150hz crossed over correctly and actually still manage to play into the 3khz-3.5khz range rather smoothly)

Seas Lotus Reference RL27 tweeters 3.5khz+

Finally I am going to run another L4 and Lotus speakers in the center channel location which my car is hifi so I will have to fabricate mounting.

All ran with the JBL MS-8 processor. Still working out the details on amps at this time.

Any other questions give me a shout.

Hey man

Thanks a lot for your answer! Its helping me a lot to decide what to get for my bimmer.

First question, where did you get that 58.6mm measure for the L4SE? I look around but I keep seeing the actual depth is 56mm (just 1mm more than the 55 we are allowed).

On the website to buy http://store.12velectronics.com/products/Legatia-L4SE-Speaker-Set.html and even on the spec sheet.

However, on the same spec sheet, on the drawings (Page 5) of the L4SE, they have their depth as 64mm? http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L4SE.pdf

If it is really 64mm, then thats out of question. But if its 56mm, do you think it would be able to fit? or am I risking a tight fit that might damage the speaker?

About the midbass, you are right. 91mm of the L8SE is way out of range. I see the Morel listed on E90post is 71mm and thats the one with the highest depth so Im guessing max fit is 71mm?

I want to keep my BMW as a SQ vehicle so Im guessing Im most likely gonna go for Morel as I have heard them in person and they sounded great on the midbass area.

For the tweets, I think the Legatia L1 Pro R2 Tweeters (Black) are my choice.

For the midranges, I just need to figure that out. Whether the L4SE fits or not, if not then the L4 should be good enough.

I really appreciate your help! Hope you can answer these questions.

[jntar 15]

You came in and asked at the right time

I have both experience with Hybrid speakers and BWM's. I am currently buying parts for my current build. '06 325i which is the same speaker setup/arrangement.

The normal L4 hybrids will fit just fine. The L4 line is at the max of fitment ability, our cars have ~55mm mounting depth and the L4SE is around 58.6mm. I went with the regular L4s over the pro since I wanted a simple install with no issues.

I have had the L1s the L3s and soon the L4s. I can honestly say these are very nice speakers and top notch in quality build and sound.

The componet set you listed will not fit. For starters that under seat drivers are just as shallow as the door speakers Your best bet is to stick with the speakers listed on e90post if you plan on replacing them.

I will be running mine with the following crossover points.

12" Adire Audio Brahma MKII 0-60Hz

Stock sub speakers under seat 60-150Hz (I have to keep the stock subs to compete in the USACI SQ class I am building for)

L4 Midranges 150-3.5Khz (These have the ability to play down to 150hz crossed over correctly and actually still manage to play into the 3khz-3.5khz range rather smoothly)

Seas Lotus Reference RL27 tweeters 3.5khz+

Finally I am going to run another L4 and Lotus speakers in the center channel location which my car is hifi so I will have to fabricate mounting.

All ran with the JBL MS-8 processor. Still working out the details on amps at this time.

Any other questions give me a shout.

Hey man

Thanks a lot for your answer! Its helping me a lot to decide what to get for my bimmer.

First question, where did you get that 58.6mm measure for the L4SE? I look around but I keep seeing the actual depth is 56mm (just 1mm more than the 55 we are allowed).

If you check this link you will see they are 61.50mm over all depth top mount. Subtract the 3.6mm for the depth of the mounting ring and you get ~57.9mm (Guess I was a small amount off on first calculations.

http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L4SE.pdf

On the website to buy http://store.12velectronics.com/products/Legatia-L4SE-Speaker-Set.html and even on the spec sheet.

However, on the same spec sheet, on the drawings (Page 5) of the L4SE, they have their depth as 64mm? http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L4SE.pdf

If it is really 64mm, then thats out of question. But if its 56mm, do you think it would be able to fit? or am I risking a tight fit that might damage the speaker? You might be able to get them to fit with some modification. I chose to not have to worry about that.

About the midbass, you are right. 91mm of the L8SE is way out of range. I see the Morel listed on E90post is 71mm and thats the one with the highest depth so Im guessing max fit is 71mm? The Morel need to have a 3/4" mounting ring to even be able to fit. Once you make the ring you have to use their grill cover and remove the stock covers. Then you need to watch the seat runners for fitment. Usually having to indent the Morel grill for fitment. It works, but its extra work you have to do to make them fit.

I want to keep my BMW as a SQ vehicle so Im guessing Im most likely gonna go for Morel as I have heard them in person and they sounded great on the midbass area. I agree with you. Morel midbass drivers are very nice. If I decide to go up a class in SQ competing, I will change the stock subs out for some Morels.

For the tweets, I think the Legatia L1 Pro R2 Tweeters (Black) are my choice. Great tweeters, watch the fitment though. You might have to do some custom work to get them to fit. The stock tweeters clip in with no other mounting brackets. Search youtube for BSW install and see if you can find the video where a worker of Bavarian Sound Works explains how the doors and tweeter pods mount. It really helped me see everything before I went and stripped everything out.

For the midranges, I just need to figure that out. Whether the L4SE fits or not, if not then the L4 should be good enough.

The L4s are great speakers, I KNOW you will be happy with them. They have been in several world champ SQ cars

I really appreciate your help! Hope you can answer these questions.

My responces are in red

[slim142 9]

Hey jntar

You are right about the tweeter. The R2 is a 2" tweeter so it wont fit without heavy mod. Even the L1V2 wont fit so I guess I wont be able to put a Hybrid Audio tweet on my car.

Im now looking for other options. I asked Technic whats the OEM mounting size (depth and diameter) for the factory tweeter so I can have an idea what fits in there.

I really want strong midbass so thats why I dont mind the mod for the Morel, and thats something that doesnt take much work anyways. But the doors, is something else.

So now, I dont know if I should stick to the L4 for my midrange. I kinda dont like the idea of having Morel midbass, HA L4 on midrange, and who knows what for tweeter.

For now Im going towards Morel for tweeters. And midrange, Im going to check on Morel.

If anything, Ill try to stick to Morel for my midbass, midrange and highs. I know Morel is not one of those brands that you find on most shops, but when you hear them they sound really good. Sucks I wont be able to put Hybrid Audio as they sounded like a really good company with great products.

[Julian 641]

I can't recall i think it's johnecon

I believe you are referring to johnecon2001, but I do not know his affiliation is with Hybrid audio.

He does, however, run HAT drivers

Yes! That's what i meant

[trevorb9 2]

Hat comps are pretty great I believe one of the owners floats around on here

Good to hear some feedback about them!

Do you know the nickname of that user?

His input would be great!

I Actually just heard the Some Hybrids the other day in a lexus they were the Legatia and they sounded AMAZING!! By far the best sounding speakers i have ever heard.. Every note was balanced and defined. It was all OEM integration Powered off an Arc audio amp. These are the best speakers you can get Period!!

[SiMmER 0]

from what i have read and learn about sq compos people usually close there eyes and go for focal utopia the best money can buy equipment or u can go for bull audio it is even more costly.

u may be intrested in these

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_21536_Focal-100-KRS.html

http://www.focal.com/fr/tuning-audio-voiture/haut-parleurs/kits-3-voies-separees/utopia-be-kit-n-7-n-7-active.php

and there is one bull audio component work 7000$ i don't remember the moedl no though i'm looking for it

-SiMmER

[edouble101 314]

If I could afford them they would be in my car

[slim142 9]

I Actually just heard the Some Hybrids the other day in a lexus they were the Legatia and they sounded AMAZING!! By far the best sounding speakers i have ever heard.. Every note was balanced and defined. It was all OEM integration Powered off an Arc audio amp. These are the best speakers you can get Period!!

Did you, by any chance, find out which Legatias they were? As you know, they have 5 stages, the higher the stage (level), the better the speaker is. L1, L2, L3... etc

from what i have read and learn about sq compos people usually close there eyes and go for focal utopia the best money can buy equipment or u can go for bull audio it is even more costly.

u may be intrested in these

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_21536_Focal-100-KRS.html

http://www.focal.com/fr/tuning-audio-voiture/haut-parleurs/kits-3-voies-separees/utopia-be-kit-n-7-n-7-active.php

and there is one bull audio component work 7000$ i don't remember the moedl no though i'm looking for it

-SiMmER

I have never heard Focal. Even thought I heard they are a great company and great products, Im going towards Morel and Hybrid.

This has become such a mission. I dont want to mod my car, just remove OEM and put new ones in. But space makes it kinda complicated.

Morel for midbass seems like what I will go for. Thats the only thing that has been set. I been looking for Morel midranges and tweeters and they seem like good options too.

[Impious 1,476]

I Actually just heard the Some Hybrids the other day in a lexus they were the Legatia and they sounded AMAZING!! By far the best sounding speakers i have ever heard.. Every note was balanced and defined. It was all OEM integration Powered off an Arc audio amp. These are the best speakers you can get Period!!

Did you, by any chance, find out which Legatias they were? As you know, they have 5 stages, the higher the stage (level), the better the speaker is. L1, L2, L3... etc

Not the way their nomenclature works.

The "L" indicates it's part of the Legatia product line. The number following the "L" tells you the diameter of the driver. L1 = 1" tweeter, L3 = 3" midrange, L4 = 4" midrange, so on and so forth. There is no L2 as there's no 2" driver in the Legatia line.

They have what they call five "stages", which just means they have five different product lines with each line being progressively better than the previous. The Imagine series is their entry level product (stage 1), Clarus is the mid level line (stage 2), Legatia is their mid-high end line (stage 3), Legatia SE is a little higher end (stage 4), and Legatia Pro is their highest level product (stage 5). The Legatia SE and Pro are designated as such in the model name....L3 is their standard 3" midrange in the Legatia line, L3SE would be a 3" midrange from the Legatia Special Edition line; L1 would be the 1" tweeter from the standard Legatia line, L1Pro would be the 1" tweeter from the Legatia Pro line, etc.

[slim142 9]

I Actually just heard the Some Hybrids the other day in a lexus they were the Legatia and they sounded AMAZING!! By far the best sounding speakers i have ever heard.. Every note was balanced and defined. It was all OEM integration Powered off an Arc audio amp. These are the best speakers you can get Period!!

Did you, by any chance, find out which Legatias they were? As you know, they have 5 stages, the higher the stage (level), the better the speaker is. L1, L2, L3... etc

Not the way their nomenclature works.

The "L" indicates it's part of the Legatia product line. The number following the "L" tells you the diameter of the driver. L1 = 1" tweeter, L3 = 3" midrange, L4 = 4" midrange, so on and so forth. There is no L2 as there's no 2" driver in the Legatia line.

They have what they call five "stages", which just means they have five different product lines with each line being progressively better than the previous. The Imagine series is their entry level product (stage 1), Clarus is the mid level line (stage 2), Legatia is their mid-high end line (stage 3), Legatia SE is a little higher end (stage 4), and Legatia Pro is their highest level product (stage 5). The Legatia SE and Pro are designated as such in the model name....L3 is their standard 3" midrange in the Legatia line, L3SE would be a 3" midrange from the Legatia Special Edition line; L1 would be the 1" tweeter from the standard Legatia line, L1Pro would be the 1" tweeter from the Legatia Pro line, etc.

Dam, that hangover really kicked hard this morning.

This is the second time I have to say sorry about my wrong informed post.

Thanks impious!