I want SQ Part II

[ford302redneck 15]

J-roadtatts- I'm really thinking of the full range and a 8inch mid bass. That's why I listed as a option, seems it could do pretty much what I wanted, minus having the sound of a tweeter I like at times(mostly when I listen to rap) but I am finding myself slowly growing away from rap and a loud tweeter. So this could be a solid option.

Onebadmonte- do you not know what the 360.3 does? I haven't priced the Audison, but I'm sure it costs more than RF. I've looked at the JBL but its almost all most al auto with no user tuning. I might not know exactly how, but that doesn't mean I don't want to learn. I rather know how to set up everything, learning while I'm doing it. Then do all this and still be clueless how it works. And can't do it without having a DSP do everything for me.

The new 360 will have a autotune, and built in RTA. But with the option to fully manually tune via computer. Instead of having a external controller. This pretty much fits everything I want/need. And I just made a post stating processor wasn't up for debate, and you still give a suggestion that I didn't need.

I am planning on researching the bitTen, I'm not sure exactly what its about yet. But I'm sure for the price, I can get a 360.

[ford302redneck 15]

Fair enough, I feel you.

The benifits to the two way fullranger + midbass set up is you can run alot bigger midbass if thats what you think you need. Also you can mount the fullranger high up in the ride for better stage height. Obviously not the most ideal in therory without full control of things but I think the beinfits would still outweigh the passive setup mounted in the kick. just my opinion for good SQ.

The passive in the kicks would definely be easy to set up but will have its own limitations.

There is a reason I built full rangers for my office for on axis music listening.

As of the options I listed, I liked the fullrange on axis. Just disliked not having a tweeter. I'd really like to hear a set.

It would be rather budget friendly, shouldn't be to hard to tune. Soooo.

[///M5 2,833]

Didn't know it had an RTA...doubt you should use that feature anyways. Hope it isn't a noisy turd like its predecessor. I am happy they stepped up to 8chn, but haven't really looked how configurable they are as I am far from being in the market atm.

[///M5 2,833]

Oh, and I REALLY don't understand bullet tweeter and rap. There is nothing to play up there...

And if my memory is bad and you didn't have some cross high tweeter before, then sorry my comment is for the residents of Florida.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

I honestly don't miss having a tweeter. The full's on axis reach plenty high for music in a car. You can also tune them lower than a tweeter in a two way and achieve the "point source sound" more effortlessly.

[ford302redneck 15]

Oh, and I REALLY don't understand bullet tweeter and rap. There is nothing to play up there...

And if my memory is bad and you didn't have some cross high tweeter before, then sorry my comment is for the residents of Florida.

I can't stand a bullet.

Even though I've heard a properly setup one, and it wasn't bad.

But thoses can get WAY to loud, and WAY to harsh.

I just like a little louder than normal higher end, but I'm sure my tastes will eventually wonder away from that.

[///M5 2,833]

I really doubt that by high end you are referring to much above 8kHz. Do yourself a favor and put as much of a brickwall filter as you can on your tweets now and listen to your music from 8kHz and above only. If you only have a 2nd order crossover then do 9kHz, but either way there really isn't much up there and it won't be that you lose it just that it slowly rolls off.

[ford302redneck 15]

I really doubt that by high end you are referring to much above 8kHz. Do yourself a favor and put as much of a brickwall filter as you can on your tweets now and listen to your music from 8kHz and above only. If you only have a 2nd order crossover then do 9kHz, but either way there really isn't much up there and it won't be that you lose it just that it slowly rolls off.

Your probably right.

I can't quiet explain exactly what I like. Its not the harshness/loudness of cheaper tweeters. That's way to loud.

[Sencheezy 689]

If you wer going to go with the full range speaker and midbass route, which drivers would you be looking into? I'm interested in this kind of setup, seems simply but yet effective.

[ford302redneck 15]

If you wer going to go with the full range speaker and midbass route, which drivers would you be looking into? I'm interested in this kind of setup, seems simply but yet effective.

Goooood question.

I haven't looked at drivers much, I wanted to figure out which route before I got caught up on drivers.

[Sencheezy 689]

If you wer going to go with the full range speaker and midbass route, which drivers would you be looking into? I'm interested in this kind of setup, seems simply but yet effective.

Goooood question.

I haven't looked at drivers much, I wanted to figure out which route before I got caught up on drivers.

Gotcha

I know myself is so use to seeing everybody using tweeters, it almost makes you feel as though you need them as well. Anyways, keep us posted, I'm curious to see which route you go as I'm pretty sure a lot of us are or will be going through the same thought proccess.

[onebadmonte 235]

Onebadmonte- do you not know what the 360.3 does? I haven't priced the Audison, but I'm sure it costs more than RF. I've looked at the JBL but its almost all most al auto with no user tuning. I might not know exactly how, but that doesn't mean I don't want to learn. I rather know how to set up everything, learning while I'm doing it. Then do all this and still be clueless how it works. And can't do it without having a DSP do everything for me.

The new 360 will have a autotune, and built in RTA. But with the option to fully manually tune via computer. Instead of having a external controller. This pretty much fits everything I want/need. And I just made a post stating processor wasn't up for debate, and you still give a suggestion that I didn't need.

I am planning on researching the bitTen, I'm not sure exactly what its about yet. But I'm sure for the price, I can get a 360.

Opps. Didn't pay attention to you being dead set on the 360.3, my bad. I got the MS8 and couldn't be happier. I love the fact that I can setup multiple seating positions and toggle between them for demos. The Logic7 processing aint too shabby either. Cool beans wanting to learn and stuff. Cross over points and time delay go hand in hand from what I hear. No easy feat to master, so good luck. As for speaker selection. If you're hesitant about doing a full ranger and mid-bass you can go the route of a nice co-ax and mid-bass. That's what I did, and it seems to be working pretty well if I don't say so myself. I say go with something that has a nice silk dome tweeter. JL and Image Dynamics have some nice ones. If you're like me and want to go the cheap route there's Powerbass.

[///M5 2,833]

If you wer going to go with the full range speaker and midbass route, which drivers would you be looking into? I'm interested in this kind of setup, seems simply but yet effective.

Goooood question.

I haven't looked at drivers much, I wanted to figure out which route before I got caught up on drivers.

That will depend on mounting locations. The full ranger pretty much HAS to be on axis. The higher up the better.

[cobra93 47]

Since you're undecided on what type of drivers you will end up with and full range is on the list of choices, I'd think it'd be in you're best interest to buy a pair of full range driver to try out.

Some would be around $50.00 for the pair and would be the cheapest way to know for sure if their a viable option or not.

This would definitely help to narrow you're choices.

[ford302redneck 15]

If you wer going to go with the full range speaker and midbass route, which drivers would you be looking into? I'm interested in this kind of setup, seems simply but yet effective.

Goooood question.

I haven't looked at drivers much, I wanted to figure out which route before I got caught up on drivers.

That will depend on mounting locations. The full ranger pretty much HAS to be on axis. The higher up the better.

The fullrange will be on axis, on my A-Pillar, around dash height. One main reason is because I want a gauge pod, and at the bottom on the pillar is really the only option.

That is if I go that route.

I am thinking of buying one and playing around with it to see if I'll like it. Which I actually think I will. I need to start researching different drivers.

[ford302redneck 15]

Onebadmonte- do you not know what the 360.3 does? I haven't priced the Audison, but I'm sure it costs more than RF. I've looked at the JBL but its almost all most al auto with no user tuning. I might not know exactly how, but that doesn't mean I don't want to learn. I rather know how to set up everything, learning while I'm doing it. Then do all this and still be clueless how it works. And can't do it without having a DSP do everything for me.

The new 360 will have a autotune, and built in RTA. But with the option to fully manually tune via computer. Instead of having a external controller. This pretty much fits everything I want/need. And I just made a post stating processor wasn't up for debate, and you still give a suggestion that I didn't need.

I am planning on researching the bitTen, I'm not sure exactly what its about yet. But I'm sure for the price, I can get a 360.

Opps. Didn't pay attention to you being dead set on the 360.3, my bad. I got the MS8 and couldn't be happier. I love the fact that I can setup multiple seating positions and toggle between them for demos. The Logic7 processing aint too shabby either. Cool beans wanting to learn and stuff. Cross over points and time delay go hand in hand from what I hear. No easy feat to master, so good luck. As for speaker selection. If you're hesitant about doing a full ranger and mid-bass you can go the route of a nice co-ax and mid-bass. That's what I did, and it seems to be working pretty well if I don't say so myself. I say go with something that has a nice silk dome tweeter. JL and Image Dynamics have some nice ones. If you're like me and want to go the cheap route there's Powerbass.

Its cool man.

I just already had a problem with people coming in giving opinion about equipment when I didn't ask for it.

I get what you was pointing out, if I didn't know how to tune the MS-8 would be a good option. And I agree, but I like the 360.3 from what I read, so I'm going to try it. Now once I get it, it might be a different story. But nobody has one yet to review so I just have to wait.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

Here is a chart to show you how litttle sound is up high. Believe me, what little harmonics and overblow reach that high will NOT be missed in a car.

The 3"s I am running START to roll of at 12.5k with test tones. The funny think here is I can't even here past 15K personally. I had my wife and daughter test with me bc they are both super sensitive to high pitches that I can't even hear due to years of abuse. These same 3"s keep up with 12" midbasses and a 15" BTL.

The selling factor for me to giving the fullrangers and monster mids a try was realizing the cone area gain in the frequency ranges I did want was obvious.

Lastly I would like to point out as an EXAMPLE that my 2006 Xterra's "OEM premium RF stereo sound system" has 2.5" fullrangers mounted in the dash, 6x9 mids in the doors and an 8" sub under the seat. NO TWEETERS. I would also like to point out as another EXAMPLE that there are home "surround systems" that don't use tweeters. Here is an example.

http://www.logitech.com/en-gb/speakers-audio/home-pc-speakers/devices/224

This system uses Tangband style 3" drivers in its satellites with no tweeters.

I hope this info is helpful for you in making your decision. I am not trying to persuade you to go with a fullranger, BUT giving you more info to base your choice on.

[ford302redneck 15]

Yeah, thanks for the info.

I'm glad you took the time to post info instead of just telling me to go with a fullrange.