Sound Deadener on a Roll?

[onebadmonte 235]

If the stuff comes on a roll is that a dead give away that it's asphalt based? Recently a new player has come on the market claiming butyl based sound deadener. Audio Technix is the place. Their claim is a 60mil thick sound deadener / 4mil aluminum with butyl adhesive, Their introductory offer seems good, but their stuff comes on a roll. Should I stay away? Thanks.

[Rudeboy 152]

Doesn't mean it's asphalt, just means it was manufactured on equipment that is used to make roofing products. Getting 4 mil foil to roll up would be a trick, so I'm curious to know if it actually is foil or the more likely plastic sheeting laminating a very thin layer of foil. Not saying it is that since I don't know. It's also important to know if the adhesive is formulated for vibration damping instead of waterproofing.

What I do know is that this product is being sold by cthedinger. I think he is a member here. He announced this product a few months ago on another forum. A member there asked me to reply because he was making some pretty outrageous claims. By the time I saw it, things had become very heated and he was accused of having no idea how vibration dampers work. He posted that he did. Within minutes I received an e-mail from him asking for an explanation of how vibration dampers work.

Ask for a sample. That's what he did. He contacted a few vendors, including me asking for samples to "help him make up his mind". He stuck some to the side of a soda can, dropped it on his parent's driveway and made a video. CLD Tiles won

[onebadmonte 235]

The voice of reason has spoken. Thank you for your wisdom, oh mighty voice. I shall continue my voyage with a sample request. My findings shall be posted here for all to see. All hail the mighty voice of reason. (sorry bro I'm having a weird morning. thanks for the insight.)

[Ohjay 116]

interesting... I need to get myself a sample of CLD

[Kanaworm$ 292]

Don's CLD Tiles FTW!

[Shogen 325]

Don's CLD Tiles FTW!

^^this...

[chris the man 49]

If the stuff comes on a roll is that a dead give away that it's asphalt based? Recently a new player has come on the market claiming butyl based sound deadener. Audio Technix is the place. Their claim is a 60mil thick sound deadener / 4mil aluminum with butyl adhesive, Their introductory offer seems good, but their stuff comes on a roll. Should I stay away? Thanks.

So does dynamat, audio wrap, raptor trap, and XxX ???

I take offense to this considering I am partners with the owner and he works extremely hard to portray a professional and honest image. MY QUESTION to you is what sound deadner do you see that's not on a roll? Second skin?

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Edited March 5, 2011 by chris the man

[chris the man 49]

Doesn't mean it's asphalt, just means it was manufactured on equipment that is used to make roofing products. Getting 4 mil foil to roll up would be a trick, so I'm curious to know if it actually is foil or the more likely plastic sheeting laminating a very thin layer of foil. Not saying it is that since I don't know. It's also important to know if the adhesive is formulated for vibration damping instead of waterproofing.

What I do know is that this product is being sold by cthedinger. I think he is a member here. He announced this product a few months ago on another forum. A member there asked me to reply because he was making some pretty outrageous claims. By the time I saw it, things had become very heated and he was accused of having no idea how vibration dampers work. He posted that he did. Within minutes I received an e-mail from him asking for an explanation of how vibration dampers work.

Ask for a sample. That's what he did. He contacted a few vendors, including me asking for samples to "help him make up his mind". He stuck some to the side of a soda can, dropped it on his parent's driveway and made a video. CLD Tiles won

Audiowrap makes his deadner? Same build house. I know you know that.

[hondakilla98 29]

I have a roll of audiowrap deadener. I've only dealt with it and fattmat. I can tell you the audiowrap is stiffer, stickier, and smells like rubber instead of asphalt. I have only used a small sample of it. So I can't tell you how good it is in a complete install.

[Rudeboy 152]

Doesn't mean it's asphalt, just means it was manufactured on equipment that is used to make roofing products. Getting 4 mil foil to roll up would be a trick, so I'm curious to know if it actually is foil or the more likely plastic sheeting laminating a very thin layer of foil. Not saying it is that since I don't know. It's also important to know if the adhesive is formulated for vibration damping instead of waterproofing.

What I do know is that this product is being sold by cthedinger. I think he is a member here. He announced this product a few months ago on another forum. A member there asked me to reply because he was making some pretty outrageous claims. By the time I saw it, things had become very heated and he was accused of having no idea how vibration dampers work. He posted that he did. Within minutes I received an e-mail from him asking for an explanation of how vibration dampers work.

Ask for a sample. That's what he did. He contacted a few vendors, including me asking for samples to "help him make up his mind". He stuck some to the side of a soda can, dropped it on his parent's driveway and made a video. CLD Tiles won

Audiowrap makes his deadner? Same build house. I know you know that.

Not sure why you'd want to reveal that. "Build house" is an interesting choice of terms. Audiowrap is a side project for Protectowrap. Protectowrap is a roofing materials manufacturer. Audiowrap may be a good product - don't know, haven't seen it, but I have seen several other of their roofing products that other people have cynically sold as vibration dampers when they were noting of the sort.

I also know that it was only a few months ago that your partner announced his product, was asked on another forum to explain how vibration dampers work and e-mailed me (under false pretenses) to ask how they work, unaware that I was watching that thread. I explained to him why his announced configuration would perform poorly. Since he re-announced the new configuration within days, I have to assume this was the extent of his testing.

All of this and some of his past appearances have led me to certain conclusions, most of which I'll keep to myself, but cover everything with vibration damper as a solution for every application is a ship that sailed several years ago.

"works extremely hard to portray a professional and honest image" is putting the cart before the horse. In any case, my post stands and you confirmed my assertion. I was a little bitchier than I like to be but your partner's previous behaviors have rubbed me the wrong way. Good luck with the endeavor. Dynamat is manufactured in sheets, as is Cascade VMax, Second Skin's products and several others.

[hondakilla98 29]

I have a roll of audiowrap deadener. I've only dealt with it and fattmat. I can tell you the audiowrap is stiffer, stickier, and smells like rubber instead of asphalt. I have only used a small sample of it. So I can't tell you how good it is in a complete install.

Well after reading Don's post above I'm glad I got it for cheap.

Edited March 5, 2011 by hondakilla98

[Cthedinger 2]

Sorry I accidentally gave you a negative one when I was trying to hit multi-quote so if someone would fix that for me I would appreciate it.

Doesn't mean it's asphalt, just means it was manufactured on equipment that is used to make roofing products. Getting 4 mil foil to roll up would be a trick, so I'm curious to know if it actually is foil or the more likely plastic sheeting laminating a very thin layer of foil. Not saying it is that since I don't know. It's also important to know if the adhesive is formulated for vibration damping instead of waterproofing.

What I do know is that this product is being sold by cthedinger. I think he is a member here. He announced this product a few months ago on another forum. A member there asked me to reply because he was making some pretty outrageous claims. By the time I saw it, things had become very heated and he was accused of having no idea how vibration dampers work. He posted that he did. Within minutes I received an e-mail from him asking for an explanation of how vibration dampers work.

Ask for a sample. That's what he did. He contacted a few vendors, including me asking for samples to "help him make up his mind". He stuck some to the side of a soda can, dropped it on his parent's driveway and made a video. CLD Tiles won

Its just as easy to get it cut into a roll by the same people that make it, and I assume you product if made in the U.S. comes from the same kind of place if it doesn't then it may come from over seas because it would be a lot cheaper to get it cut into sheets if it did. Its actually foil no B.S. here. I will admit that back then I did not know as much information as I know now and I am still know expert now. And I had never gotten the chance to finish all the video's I was going to make. I had planned on testing how well it sticks by hanging a weight from it and see how long it takes for everyones deadener to fall. Then testing how hot it can get before falling and also test it on some sheet metal. And I don't know were you got the idea of that, that was in my parents driveway. lol In the video it kind of shows my surroundings and there are several buildings that look the same, A.K.A. filmed at my apartment.

Not sure why you'd want to reveal that. "Build house" is an interesting choice of terms. Audiowrap is a side project for Protectowrap. Protectowrap is a roofing materials manufacturer. Audiowrap may be a good product - don't know, haven't seen it, but I have seen several other of their roofing products that other people have cynically sold as vibration dampers when they were noting of the sort.

I also know that it was only a few months ago that your partner announced his product, was asked on another forum to explain how vibration dampers work and e-mailed me (under false pretenses) to ask how they work, unaware that I was watching that thread. I explained to him why his announced configuration would perform poorly. Since he re-announced the new configuration within days, I have to assume this was the extent of his testing.

All of this and some of his past appearances have led me to certain conclusions, most of which I'll keep to myself, but cover everything with vibration damper as a solution for every application is a ship that sailed several years ago.

"works extremely hard to portray a professional and honest image" is putting the cart before the horse. In any case, my post stands and you confirmed my assertion. I was a little bitchier than I like to be but your partner's previous behaviors have rubbed me the wrong way. Good luck with the endeavor. Dynamat is manufactured in sheets, as is Cascade VMax, Second Skin's products and several others.

First of Audio Technix is not made by Protect-O-Wrap and has no affiliation with them. It is made in a completely different state. Also Don the new configuration was not announce with in days. Don't make your self try to feel to almighty. Also the reason I asked all these companies for samples is because I truly wanted to know what all of them are like. Then I got an idea for a product that I liked and thats where it all started. I do not believe everything should be covered in deadener. I have told several of my customers to apply a little where they feel its needed then test and at that point they can determine whether or not they need to put more on. There are also several products that are made on rolls and personally I like it being made on a roll. IMO it is a lot easy to install that way.

I am not going to argue with you on here or go back and forth all day. If you want to go back and forth and argue give me a call on Monday 832.257.8825

Since this topic was brought up I figure that gives me the right to post of some video's for Audio Technix

Also here is a picture of RAAM Mat that you called the best bang for its buck back in the day Don.

Just picture to show you how good Raam Mats adhesive is attached to there aluminum. There is lots of air pockets between the adhesive and the aluminum. I wouldn't trust this stuff in my car. I just tried to do the same to Second Skin, Audio Wrap, and the Audio Technix proto type deadener I have (which does not use as good of an adhesive as the real product will have) and couldn't manage to do it.

[onebadmonte 235]

If the stuff comes on a roll is that a dead give away that it's asphalt based? Recently a new player has come on the market claiming butyl based sound deadener. Audio Technix is the place. Their claim is a 60mil thick sound deadener / 4mil aluminum with butyl adhesive, Their introductory offer seems good, but their stuff comes on a roll. Should I stay away? Thanks.

So does dynamat, audio wrap, raptor trap, and XxX ???

I take offense to this considering I am partners with the owner and he works extremely hard to portray a professional and honest image. MY QUESTION to you is what sound deadner do you see that's not on a roll? Second skin?

]

Sorry to offend by asking such a question. It's already answered which products come in sheets, but just to throw one more in there. The stuff Jegs sells as their own sound deadener, it comes in sheets.

On I side note I did contact cthedinger and he agreed to a sample. He was professional in his e-mail and I look forward to seeing the sample. I wish only good things for Audio Technix.

[onebadmonte 235]

Ugh that ^^^ was my six hundred sixty sixth post. Aghh I wished someone luck in it. Uhh, I'm just trying to ward off the evil spirits.

[Mtopper 23]

Also here is a picture of RAAM Mat that you called the best bang for its buck back in the day Don.

Just picture to show you how good Raam Mats adhesive is attached to there aluminum. There is lots of air pockets between the adhesive and the aluminum. I wouldn't trust this stuff in my car. I just tried to do the same to Second Skin, Audio Wrap, and the Audio Technix proto type deadener I have (which does not use as good of an adhesive as the real product will have) and couldn't manage to do it.

Thats actually really eye opening to me. i used Raam Mat in my truck and didn't think anything bad of it. The only thing i had to compare it to was my brother's Dynamat Extreme which was really easy to use because of it being in sheets. I'll do some more research for my next car.

On top of all the Raam Mat, i have Second Skin MLV and Ensolite which is really nice equipment.

Bad Monte, thanks for starting the thread, i just had my eyes opened a little more

[chris the man 49]

Sorry I accidentally gave you a negative one when I was trying to hit multi-quote so if someone would fix that for me I would appreciate it.

Doesn't mean it's asphalt, just means it was manufactured on equipment that is used to make roofing products. Getting 4 mil foil to roll up would be a trick, so I'm curious to know if it actually is foil or the more likely plastic sheeting laminating a very thin layer of foil. Not saying it is that since I don't know. It's also important to know if the adhesive is formulated for vibration damping instead of waterproofing.

What I do know is that this product is being sold by cthedinger. I think he is a member here. He announced this product a few months ago on another forum. A member there asked me to reply because he was making some pretty outrageous claims. By the time I saw it, things had become very heated and he was accused of having no idea how vibration dampers work. He posted that he did. Within minutes I received an e-mail from him asking for an explanation of how vibration dampers work.

Ask for a sample. That's what he did. He contacted a few vendors, including me asking for samples to "help him make up his mind". He stuck some to the side of a soda can, dropped it on his parent's driveway and made a video. CLD Tiles won

Its just as easy to get it cut into a roll by the same people that make it, and I assume you product if made in the U.S. comes from the same kind of place if it doesn't then it may come from over seas because it would be a lot cheaper to get it cut into sheets if it did. Its actually foil no B.S. here. I will admit that back then I did not know as much information as I know now and I am still know expert now. And I had never gotten the chance to finish all the video's I was going to make. I had planned on testing how well it sticks by hanging a weight from it and see how long it takes for everyones deadener to fall. Then testing how hot it can get before falling and also test it on some sheet metal. And I don't know were you got the idea of that, that was in my parents driveway. lol In the video it kind of shows my surroundings and there are several buildings that look the same, A.K.A. filmed at my apartment.

Not sure why you'd want to reveal that. "Build house" is an interesting choice of terms. Audiowrap is a side project for Protectowrap. Protectowrap is a roofing materials manufacturer. Audiowrap may be a good product - don't know, haven't seen it, but I have seen several other of their roofing products that other people have cynically sold as vibration dampers when they were noting of the sort.

I also know that it was only a few months ago that your partner announced his product, was asked on another forum to explain how vibration dampers work and e-mailed me (under false pretenses) to ask how they work, unaware that I was watching that thread. I explained to him why his announced configuration would perform poorly. Since he re-announced the new configuration within days, I have to assume this was the extent of his testing.

All of this and some of his past appearances have led me to certain conclusions, most of which I'll keep to myself, but cover everything with vibration damper as a solution for every application is a ship that sailed several years ago.

"works extremely hard to portray a professional and honest image" is putting the cart before the horse. In aIny case, my post stands and you confirmed my assertionu. I was a little bitchier than I like to be but your partner's previous behaviors have rubbed me the wrong way. Good luck with the endeavor. Dynamat is manufactured in sheets, as is Cascade VMax, Second Skin's products and several others.

It truly is one of the best products for the price.

First of Audio Technix is not made by Protect-O-Wrap and has no affiliation with them. It is made in a completely different state. Also Don the new configuration was not announce with in days. Don't make your self try to feel to almighty. Also the reason I asked all these companies for samples is because I truly wanted to know what all of them are like. Then I got an idea for a product that I liked and thats where it all started. I do not believe everything should be covered in deadener. I have told several of my customers to apply a little where they feel its needed then test and at that point they can determine whether or not they need to put more on. There are also several products that are made on rolls and personally I like it being made on a roll. IMO it is a lot easy to install that way.

I am not going to argue with you on here or go back and forth all day. If you want to go back and forth and argue give me a call on Monday 832.257.8825

Since this topic was brought up I figure that gives me the right to post of some video's for Audio Technix

Also here is a picture of RAAM Mat that you called the best bang for its buck back in the day Don.

Just picture to show you how good Raam Mats adhesive is attached to there aluminum. There is lots of air pockets between the adhesive and the aluminum. I wouldn't trust this stuff in my car. I just tried to do the same to Second Skin, Audio Wrap, and the Audio Technix proto type deadener I have (which does not use as good of an adhesive as the real product will have) and couldn't manage to do it.

Thanks for chiming in bro! And also clearing up it's not built by audiowrap.

My friends and I love the product ad the price especially since it's less than half the price of audiowrap.

The loudest guy in Colorado out hemre is going to order a few roles for his new car. I wish him the best of luck.

Edited March 5, 2011 by chris the man

[Rudeboy 152]

cthedinger:

That's an impenetrable block of unpunctuated borderline spam that I can't penetrate. I wouldn't take a mention as an invitation for self promotion, but that's just me. Your self-proclaimed "partner" made the Protecto Wrap claim, not me. One of you has it wrong. If he doesn't speak for you, you should take it up with him.

I very much resent the childish insinuation that my product isn't made in the US - it absolutely is. Your sheet/roll comments don't make any sense.

I'm not sure what you are showing with that photo of RAAMmat It's clearly damaged. It's also not the same product I reviewed "back in the day". I've apologized here and elsewhere for not having the capability of testing damping performance when I did that review.

Prototype? All of this is about a product that doesn't exist?

[Impious 1,476]

Also the reason I asked all these companies for samples is because I truly wanted to know what all of them are like. Then I got an idea for a product that I liked and thats where it all started.

How did evaluating samples give you get an "idea" for a product you'd like when you didn't even understand how that product works?

Wouldn't need to understand how a certain product functions before you get an "idea" for a product design?

You had to ask Don how CLD worked after you were promoting your product. So, how did you go about designing the product and it's performance aspects before you understood how CLD even functioned?

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

That post is really pushing the limits of product promotion without permission.

[Cthedinger 2]

cthedinger:

That's an impenetrable block of unpunctuated borderline spam that I can't penetrate. I wouldn't take a mention as an invitation for self promotion, but that's just me. Your self-proclaimed "partner" made the Protecto Wrap claim, not me. One of you has it wrong. If he doesn't speak for you, you should take it up with him.

I very much resent the childish insinuation that my product isn't made in the US - it absolutely is. Your sheet/roll comments don't make any sense.

I'm not sure what you are showing with that photo of RAAMmat It's clearly damaged. It's also not the same product I reviewed "back in the day". I've apologized here and elsewhere for not having the capability of testing damping performance when I did that review.

Prototype? All of this is about a product that doesn't exist?

I never said Chris was my partner but he is a good friend of mine, I was just clearing up something that he said about my company which was false. I don't even come on this forum any more because I a not a fan of it. The only reason I know this thread exists is because Chris told me about it.

You made fun of a test I did, so I should you another test I did with my product that has to do with a daily application and showed you the before and after of it.

The actual product we are coming out this is way better than the prototype, since the prototype product works amazingly it gives customers an idea of what they can expect from the actual product we are coming out with.

But I am done here, if you have anything else to say to me give me a call or shoot me an email [email protected] because I will more than likely not come on here to check for responses.

Also the reason I asked all these companies for samples is because I truly wanted to know what all of them are like. Then I got an idea for a product that I liked and thats where it all started.

How did evaluating samples give you get an "idea" for a product you'd like when you didn't even understand how that product works?

Wouldn't need to understand how a certain product functions before you get an "idea" for a product design?

You had to ask Don how CLD worked after you were promoting your product. So, how did you go about designing the product and it's performance aspects before you understood how CLD even functioned?

I never said I designed the product. After seeing all the samples, comparing customer service, and looking at companies price I got an idea for a product that I wanted. I am a customer service guy, thats what I do best.

That post is really pushing the limits of product promotion without permission.

Take it down if you like, I feel if someone is going to talk badly about me and my company, and then mock me and make fun of me then I have a right to defend my self and company. I gave him a real life scenario on how my product has helped me. Take it how you want.

[Rudeboy 152]

The root of all of this is the thread on another forum that I mentioned earlier. I would post a link to it, but cthedinger deleted all of his posts from it. It's fine for him to act like he has been victimized by me here, but I only became aware of the other thread because members there were outraged by the false allegation cthedinger made against me and my products and asked me to join and respond. It doesn't seem reasonable to attack and expect there to be no consequences. Unfortunately, since cthedinger chose to obliterate his contribution to that thread, the evidence is gone.

It's also disingenuous to cry foul after stating that he wouldn't trust RAAMmat BXT II in his car when what he showed as his reason is pretty obviously a physically damaged sample. He never mentioned this damage in his review video leaving us to imagine where and how the damage occurred. At the same time, we're being asked to trust the superior quality of a product that's different than the prototype, doesn't seem to exist and apparently hasn't been seen by anybody, including cthedinger. Very strange development cycle, IMO.

I'd suggest sending out samples of a shipping product. I know I'd be interested in seeing it. Oddly enough, I'd give an honest opinion. There are posts all over the place where I've commented favorably on competing products. Dynamat, Cascade and Second Skin all sell very good products. Cthedinger may too, but it's obviously premature for anybody to be claiming anything, one way or the other about his products. At this point all we have to evaluate are his antics

[Impious 1,476]

The actual product we are coming out this is way better than the prototype, since the prototype product works amazingly it gives customers an idea of what they can expect from the actual product we are coming out with.

So right now you are "selling" vaporware?

I never said I designed the product. After seeing all the samples, comparing customer service, and looking at companies price I got an idea for a product that I wanted. I am a customer service guy, thats what I do best.

So you didn't get an idea for a product, you got an idea for a price point then had someone else design a product (that you didn't understand) to fit that price point. At present, said product doesn't actually exist.

Your marketing plan so far consists of promoting a product that doesn't actually exist and that you don't actually understand, making apparently outrageous claims about it's performance then deleting those comments, and finding reasons to trash competing products such as the picture of RaaMat you posted earlier? That's pretty tactless and demonstrates terrible business ethic. It also helps if you type in English. Your grammar and spelling is atrocious for an individual promoting a product and business.

Sounds like a solid plan you have going there.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

That post is really pushing the limits of product promotion without permission.

HE's been doing this for months, and been warned several times.

[chris the man 49]

The actual product we are coming out this is way better than the prototype, since the prototype product works amazingly it gives customers an idea of what they can expect from the actual product we are coming out with.

So right now you are "selling" vaporware?

I never said I designed the product. After seeing all the samples, comparing customer service, and looking at companies price I got an idea for a product that I wanted. I am a customer service guy, thats what I do best.

So you didn't get an idea for a product, you got an idea for a price point then had someone else design a product (that you didn't understand) to fit that price point. At present, said product doesn't actually exist.

Your marketing plan so far consists of promoting a product that doesn't actually exist and that you don't actually understand, making apparently outrageous claims about it's performance then deleting those comments, and finding reasons to trash competing products such as the picture of RaaMat you posted earlier? That's pretty tactless and demonstrates terrible business ethic. It also helps if you type in English. Your grammar and spelling is atrocious for an individual promoting a product and business.

Sounds like a solid plan you have going there.

"It does exist"... I have 75sqft of it in my car dumbass. I'm glad you have a bunch of groupies bro. Trashing a competitor because you simply can not compete with audiotechnix pricing. In fact no body can. A product of such high quality and such a low price that can not be reckoned with. Intimidated are you? I'm sorry that you must bring it to this. I'm leaving this argument not to return. Im sure col will do the same. It has now become pointless and is just past arguing but extraverting our egos. If you want to bring it even further past that... Than we can go there trust me, my biceps at bigger than your waist.

Thank you all for your time. You can find audiotechnix sound deadner on the website. Entry level pricing will be available for a little while longer. To clear it up I am not a business partner of col by any means. I am a friend and proud of it. Sorry to sac tap your pathetic unmanned comments with my shear masculinity and ability to whoop all of your guys asses. But argue with me. Not cthedinger.

Edited March 6, 2011 by chris the man

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Now we have keyboard commandos. . . We all know that big biceps and ass-whooping ability makes you a REAL man.