powering 4 sa-12's

[Curtis96olds 1]

im gonna be running 4 sa-12's, my electrical consists of 180 amp dc power alt (coming very soon), big 3, kinetic hc2000 under the hood and a hc600 in the back(all i could fit) so with that electrical, i need an amp that will power those sa-12's @1ohm. im thinking maybe 2500-3000 watts. has to be fairly small...maybe like 12 wide by like 22 long or so. i was gonna get the AP3000 but i dont have room for it unless i mount it on the backside of my box and i really dont want to do that.

so any suggestions for amps that fit that criteria that will run with little to no voltage drop on my electrical in the 350 dollar range? i was thinking AQ2200D but i think the sa-12's would like more power

Edited January 9, 2011 by curt96olds

[Skar 58]

SAZ-2500D

[Kanaworm$ 292]

SAZ-1500v.2 or as Kevin said the SAZ-2500D.

[Curtis96olds 1]

thanks for replying, but as mentioned in my first post, my budget is 350 maybe 400.. but not 850

i dont think the SAZ1500 will give the sa-12's the power they can take.. cause that would only be 375 watts each.. maybe like 425 each considering its a bit underrated..but thats still not enough.

Edited January 9, 2011 by curt96olds

[CrazyKenKid 64]

don't get caught up in the numbers game~! just because i can give my subs 2000rms doesn't mean that all 4 of my subs need 2000rms each!

trust me you don't have room and the bigger the amp you get the more batteries you will require

maybe if you want to keep it all sundown maybe get 2-saz1000d or a single saz2000 which are fairly cheap jsut check the for sale section on here for an amp!!

also when amp looking keep in mind if the ap does 3k on 14.4volts how much can it do on 12.8volts? realistically no one has 14.4 constant power to the amp normally around 12.5~ and sundown amps are rated at 12.8volts i believe so there power output is more realistic and not if lightening strikes!

[CrazyKenKid 64]

you know if you want to give each sub more power maybe go with 2 subs rather then 4 that way you can get a NICE box in with ample amounts of power and electrical to back it all up!

you know i seen somewhere on here someone did a 149.9 burp with 2-sa12's... do some searching see what there setups is and go from there!

you know how much air space are you giving each of those sa12's?

seeing as you don't have enough room for a bigger battery in the the trunk i assume your box is WAY to small and you will be choking the Fcuk out of those subs..what kind a space are you working with? you know i burped my single 15inch sub in a 4cubic net box and got a 145.5 clamped at 2200rms....

trust me don't choke subs out it doesn't work out so well for you.

[Curtis96olds 1]

don't get caught up in the numbers game~! just because i can give my subs 2000rms doesn't mean that all 4 of my subs need 2000rms each!

trust me you don't have room and the bigger the amp you get the more batteries you will require

maybe if you want to keep it all sundown maybe get 2-saz1000d or a single saz2000 which are fairly cheap jsut check the for sale section on here for an amp!!

also when amp looking keep in mind if the ap does 3k on 14.4volts how much can it do on 12.8volts? realistically no one has 14.4 constant power to the amp normally around 12.5~ and sundown amps are rated at 12.8volts i believe so there power output is more realistic and not if lightening strikes!

sorry but i dont agree with your voltage statement.. cause realistically you should be able to stay at 14.4 volts constant if you have the electrical to support your system... right now im running an AQ1200D on the electrical i mentioned minus the DC power alt... meaning im running on a stock alt and i stay right at 14.4 volts even while idle. so yes i would get the 3k out of the AP at 14.4 volts once i get the alt.

[CrazyKenKid 64]

don't get caught up in the numbers game~! just because i can give my subs 2000rms doesn't mean that all 4 of my subs need 2000rms each!

trust me you don't have room and the bigger the amp you get the more batteries you will require

maybe if you want to keep it all sundown maybe get 2-saz1000d or a single saz2000 which are fairly cheap jsut check the for sale section on here for an amp!!

also when amp looking keep in mind if the ap does 3k on 14.4volts how much can it do on 12.8volts? realistically no one has 14.4 constant power to the amp normally around 12.5~ and sundown amps are rated at 12.8volts i believe so there power output is more realistic and not if lightening strikes!

sorry but i dont agree with your voltage statement.. cause realistically you should be able to stay at 14.4 volts constant if you have the electrical to support your system... right now im running an AQ1200D on the electrical i mentioned minus the DC power alt... meaning im running on a stock alt and i stay right at 14.4 volts even while idle. so yes i would get the 3k out of the AP at 14.4 volts once i get the alt.

consider the following 3000watts on 14.4 volts = 208amps! and your alt is 180amps right so right there your system will dip! now at 12votls 3000wats = 250amps!

keep in mind your starting battery and your little babe battery in the back! will your electrical be enought i would say no but we will let other people say differently

[Curtis96olds 1]

you know if you want to give each sub more power maybe go with 2 subs rather then 4 that way you can get a NICE box in with ample amounts of power and electrical to back it all up!

you know i seen somewhere on here someone did a 149.9 burp with 2-sa12's... do some searching see what there setups is and go from there!

you know how much air space are you giving each of those sa12's?

seeing as you don't have enough room for a bigger battery in the the trunk i assume your box is WAY to small and you will be choking the Fcuk out of those subs..what kind a space are you working with? you know i burped my single 15inch sub in a 4cubic net box and got a 145.5 clamped at 2200rms....

trust me don't choke subs out it doesn't work out so well for you.

see, your automatically assuming i dont have the room for 4 12's.. no i dont want just 2 12's...i have 2 15's right now and i want 4 12's. i have the room and i have the electrical to back it up, so i see no real reason to go with 2 12's which would be a downgrade from what i have. fyi i have 11-12 cubes to work with.. the sa-12''s will require 2 cubes each..so i have 3 cubes for port and sub displacements, and bracing which will consist of 1 1/4 inch wooden dowels which hardly take up any space

btw this is an extended cab dakota. im walling it.

Edited January 9, 2011 by curt96olds

[mccleery3 166]

Curious as to what your goals are with the system......TL #'s or just a daily ground pounder? If you put the subs in an enclosure on the high end volume wise, you could be much more effecient on less power. I ran 4-SA8's in 5cu tuned to 33hz off a SAZ-1500 and managed a 141db and some change with it being my 1st time in the lanes. I'm not bashing or trying to start an arguement, just offering a suggestion. Lots of good people willing to help with the right information provided. Good luck with whatever you decide.

[CrazyKenKid 64]

you know if you want to give each sub more power maybe go with 2 subs rather then 4 that way you can get a NICE box in with ample amounts of power and electrical to back it all up!

you know i seen somewhere on here someone did a 149.9 burp with 2-sa12's... do some searching see what there setups is and go from there!

you know how much air space are you giving each of those sa12's?

seeing as you don't have enough room for a bigger battery in the the trunk i assume your box is WAY to small and you will be choking the Fcuk out of those subs..what kind a space are you working with? you know i burped my single 15inch sub in a 4cubic net box and got a 145.5 clamped at 2200rms....

trust me don't choke subs out it doesn't work out so well for you.

see, your automatically assuming i dont have the room for 4 12's.. no i dont want just 2 12's...i have 2 15's right now and i want 4 12's. i have the room and i have the electrical to back it up, so i see no real reason to go with 2 12's which would be a downgrade from what i have. fyi i have 11-12 cubes to work with.. the sa-12''s will require 2 cubes each..so i have 3 cubes for port and sub displacements, and bracing which will consist of 1 1/4 inch wooden dowels which hardly take up any space

btw this is an extended cab dakota. im walling it.

aww i see now what you are going to do! i guess i should have asked what kind a space you had available and what vehicle you were going into first! and if you were going to do a wall or not lol got ya now wall away!

and also i did assume because you didn't tell us/me off the get go what was going on! and since you siad you didn't have room for a BIG battery in the back i assume you didn't have much in the way of room for the subs! hell isn't the hc600 like 4x6x5 size wise?

[Curtis96olds 1]

you know if you want to give each sub more power maybe go with 2 subs rather then 4 that way you can get a NICE box in with ample amounts of power and electrical to back it all up!

you know i seen somewhere on here someone did a 149.9 burp with 2-sa12's... do some searching see what there setups is and go from there!

you know how much air space are you giving each of those sa12's?

seeing as you don't have enough room for a bigger battery in the the trunk i assume your box is WAY to small and you will be choking the Fcuk out of those subs..what kind a space are you working with? you know i burped my single 15inch sub in a 4cubic net box and got a 145.5 clamped at 2200rms....

trust me don't choke subs out it doesn't work out so well for you.

see, your automatically assuming i dont have the room for 4 12's.. no i dont want just 2 12's...i have 2 15's right now and i want 4 12's. i have the room and i have the electrical to back it up, so i see no real reason to go with 2 12's which would be a downgrade from what i have. fyi i have 11-12 cubes to work with.. the sa-12''s will require 2 cubes each..so i have 3 cubes for port and sub displacements, and bracing which will consist of 1 1/4 inch wooden dowels which hardly take up any space

btw this is an extended cab dakota. im walling it.

aww i see now what you are going to do! i guess i should have asked what kind a space you had available and what vehicle you were going into first! and if you were going to do a wall or not lol got ya now wall away!

and also i did assume because you didn't tell us/me off the get go what was going on! and since you siad you didn't have room for a BIG battery in the back i assume you didn't have much in the way of room for the subs! hell isn't the hc600 like 4x6x5 size wise?

yeah i guess it was my fault for not giving all of the details...this is how its gonna work, im wallling it, and infront of the box on my false floor is where my amps are... there is one in front of the box behind my drivers seat and one in front of my box behind the passenger seat, and the only place i could fit a battery is behind the center colsole infront of the box. there is no room on the sides for anything. but i was toying around with the idea of making a weather proof box in my bed for like 2-3 more batteries, i dunno if i want to get that crazy or not.. cause i do use the bed of my truck for hauling around my atv and whatnot

[Curtis96olds 1]

Curious as to what your goals are with the system......TL #'s or just a daily ground pounder? If you put the subs in an enclosure on the high end volume wise, you could be much more effecient on less power. I ran 4-SA8's in 5cu tuned to 33hz off a SAZ-1500 and managed a 141db and some change with it being my 1st time in the lanes. I'm not bashing or trying to start an arguement, just offering a suggestion. Lots of good people willing to help with the right information provided. Good luck with whatever you decide.

i have no intentions of ever metering this system, this is just gonna be a daily ground pounder that will get sick nasty low... im probably gonna tune to 30hz.

do you guys think i would be fine with a AQ2200D electrical wise? as in pretty much stay above 14volts? and i know sa12's can be in a box up to 2 cubes per sub, but what if i went like 2.2 per sub? would that get me a bit louder off the same power? or at some point is there diminishing returns as far as box size.

Edited January 9, 2011 by curt96olds

[karpowr 0]

don't get caught up in the numbers game~! just because i can give my subs 2000rms doesn't mean that all 4 of my subs need 2000rms each!

trust me you don't have room and the bigger the amp you get the more batteries you will require

maybe if you want to keep it all sundown maybe get 2-saz1000d or a single saz2000 which are fairly cheap jsut check the for sale section on here for an amp!!

You can try Strapping 2 Sundown SAZ-1000Ds at 1830 RMS @ 2ohm. They are still $279 a piece on Wooferetc. A 2 ohm load would not be such a strain on the electrical and each SAZ 1000 is about 11" long.

[Curtis96olds 1]

don't get caught up in the numbers game~! just because i can give my subs 2000rms doesn't mean that all 4 of my subs need 2000rms each!

trust me you don't have room and the bigger the amp you get the more batteries you will require

maybe if you want to keep it all sundown maybe get 2-saz1000d or a single saz2000 which are fairly cheap jsut check the for sale section on here for an amp!!

You can try Strapping 2 Sundown SAZ-1000Ds at 1830 RMS @ 2ohm. They are still $279 a piece on Wooferetc. A 2 ohm load would not be such a strain on the electrical and each SAZ 1000 is about 11" long.

well now that you mention that... i am currently running an AQ1200D, i could buy another for 250 shipped and strap it at 2 ohms for 2400 watts, thats probably the cheapest way i can get more power at this point.

[fearlessgangsta 12]

^ exactly what I was going to say.

[Curtis96olds 1]

on a side note, i may save up a bit more and grab the 270xp DC alt and grab an AQ3500D. would i need a larger battery bank for that or is what i have sufficient for that?

Edited January 9, 2011 by curt96olds

[karpowr 0]

don't get caught up in the numbers game~! just because i can give my subs 2000rms doesn't mean that all 4 of my subs need 2000rms each!

trust me you don't have room and the bigger the amp you get the more batteries you will require

maybe if you want to keep it all sundown maybe get 2-saz1000d or a single saz2000 which are fairly cheap jsut check the for sale section on here for an amp!!

You can try Strapping 2 Sundown SAZ-1000Ds at 1830 RMS @ 2ohm. They are still $279 a piece on Wooferetc. A 2 ohm load would not be such a strain on the electrical and each SAZ 1000 is about 11" long.

well now that you mention that... i am currently running an AQ1200D, i could buy another for 250 shipped and strap it at 2 ohms for 2400 watts, thats probably the cheapest way i can get more power at this point.

Sounds good, especially if you already have one now...I am not sure on the watts @ a 2ohm strap...but physical size deminsions look good. The 3500 sounds good too, but looks like you would really have upgrade the electrical, which would be needed anyways either way at this level

[Curtis96olds 1]

don't get caught up in the numbers game~! just because i can give my subs 2000rms doesn't mean that all 4 of my subs need 2000rms each!

trust me you don't have room and the bigger the amp you get the more batteries you will require

maybe if you want to keep it all sundown maybe get 2-saz1000d or a single saz2000 which are fairly cheap jsut check the for sale section on here for an amp!!

You can try Strapping 2 Sundown SAZ-1000Ds at 1830 RMS @ 2ohm. They are still $279 a piece on Wooferetc. A 2 ohm load would not be such a strain on the electrical and each SAZ 1000 is about 11" long.

well now that you mention that... i am currently running an AQ1200D, i could buy another for 250 shipped and strap it at 2 ohms for 2400 watts, thats probably the cheapest way i can get more power at this point.

Sounds good, especially if you already have one now...I am not sure on the watts @ a 2ohm strap...but physical size deminsions look good. The 3500 sounds good too, but looks like you would really have upgrade the electrical, which would be needed anyways either way at this level

yeah either route i take i plan on upgrading my electrical accordingly, its in the budget

[CrownVic 15]

IMO your gonna want to upgrade again from the 2 aq 1200s, so I would go ahead and get the bigger everything the first time, it will be cheaper in the long run, mine as well do it up since your already walling it.

[Curtis96olds 1]

IMO your gonna want to upgrade again from the 2 aq 1200s, so I would go ahead and get the bigger everything the first time, it will be cheaper in the long run, mine as well do it up since your already walling it.

yeah i got a month or so before im ordering everything anyways so i got a bit of time to think about it.

might go with a AQ3500D.. or even better, does anyone know if the crescendo 3k is gonna come back in stock or are they discontinuing it? because that might be the amp i buy, ive been eyeballing it for a while and seems like a good amp.. especially for 550 bucks considering its .5 ohm stable

[emh9009 199]

They are releasing 3 new amps in mid march. I believe a 2kw, 3.5 and 5.5kw. Think they're done with the 3k