Cold weather on New Subs?

[crazyman54783 0]

Hello Guys/Gals,

I was wondering if cold weather will damage a sub? Do I need to keep it down till warmer weather, or can i just let them wang? I live in northern Indiana and its currently in the teens here, so stuff gets brittle... Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

[Mac N Cheese 90]

Hello Guys/Gals,

I was wondering if cold weather will damage a sub? Do I need to keep it down till warmer weather, or can i just let them wang? I live in northern Indiana and its currently in the teens here, so stuff gets brittle... Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

just to be safe I would let your car heat up for some time

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

As with anything, warm it up and you will be fine.

[altoncustomtech 773]

Someone posed the exact question to Nick in the chat the other day. None of the soft parts on the subs are fragile enough to be caused any trouble by playing hard cold, but if you feel better letting things warm up first, there's no problem doing so.

[crazyman54783 0]

thanks guys, i couldnt make it to the chat last night... i was installing subs ... they are just awesome! Thanks for the input.

[jesseadkins187 5]

Someone posed the exact question to Nick in the chat the other day. None of the soft parts on the subs are fragile enough to be caused any trouble by playing hard cold, but if you feel better letting things warm up first, there's no problem doing so.

personally i think nick is wrong on the soft parts not being fragile in the cold..... for example i just reconed my BL 18's not even a month ago and was slamming on them and it was in the single digits outside and even below 0 sometimes and i cracked one of my spiders.. Nick tries saying it was cause i was playin below tuning and blah blah blah subsonic filter needs to be set higher yada yada yada when i dont EVEN play low shit on my system especially nothing below 30hz thats for damn sure.... of course thou its never the manufactures fault always the consumers... since ive owned the BL's before i reconed them for over 2 years with NO issues...

[NDMstang65 403]

Someone posed the exact question to Nick in the chat the other day. None of the soft parts on the subs are fragile enough to be caused any trouble by playing hard cold, but if you feel better letting things warm up first, there's no problem doing so.

personally i think nick is wrong on the soft parts not being fragile in the cold..... for example i just reconed my BL 18's not even a month ago and was slamming on them and it was in the single digits outside and even below 0 sometimes and i cracked one of my spiders.. Nick tries saying it was cause i was playin below tuning and blah blah blah subsonic filter needs to be set higher yada yada yada when i dont EVEN play low shit on my system especially nothing below 30hz thats for damn sure.... of course thou its never the manufactures fault always the consumers... since ive owned the BL's before i reconed them for over 2 years with NO issues...

We have been using that spider since before the days of RE, we know the limitations of that spider..and exactly how it breaks and what causes it.

Here's the problem.

You do not KNOW if you are playing "low shit on my system below 30Hz"

You could have reverberations in the recording or a pop/click of the mic that is at 8-10Hz that you can't hear (granted it should be filtered out, but who knows if you even had the filter on)..it can happen so fast that you do not even know that it happened, yet you keep playing the track. The quality of the recording of a track can make things do stupid stuff. Loading in the enclosure can cause issues..if a sub is not 'behind' a port and one is 'behind' a port then you have 1 woofer that loads completely differently than another one. One will move more then the other one will...resulting in your situation with the popped spiders.

The BL only has a 1.8" tall coil, and a .9" tall top plate. (xmax of 18mm 1 way linear travel) The spiders do NOT lock up until 30mm in ONE direction...when they lock up they pop like a potato chip radially across the weave of the spider. So you are definitely playing below port tuning frequency, with too shallow of a subsonic filter...OR your tuning is off (which is more likely because resistors have a set value that is defined by mathematics..a port length has far more human error in the equation) Those spiders only pop when they 'lock up' or move past the mechanical limitations. When you move it past 30mm (or so) you begin to form right angles radially in 4-6 spots in the spider (generally 4), at that point it makes a 'crease' in the phenolic resin and when you keep hitting that same spot on that same song it eventually pops and rips all the way through at that stress point.

Sorry you feel that we should be held responsible..those spiders simply do not have issues, they have been the same spider we have been using for 12 years, with the same materials and everything. It does not have issues unless you push it past the mechanical limitations..

It is no different then a tab on a coke can. You can bend it back and forth within its limitations all day long, when you start moving it PAST the limitations it then pops and breaks at that stress point.

The temperatures here have absolutely nothing to do with it. You are not going to shred a spider in the states..it does not get cold enough. Alaska now, that could potentially be an issue as they get down to 30 and 40 below zero...but I doubt it very seriously...the spiders are made out of poly cotton, the same stuff your t-shirt is made out of...

[mikey5472 16]

I personally live in indiana and I know how cold it get I'm not worried about the subs as much as I am the boards in the radios or amps. Things become brittle when they are cold and when you start bangin on you're system things start to vibrate and then you crack a board and you amp or radio is toast.

[jesseadkins187 5]

Someone posed the exact question to Nick in the chat the other day. None of the soft parts on the subs are fragile enough to be caused any trouble by playing hard cold, but if you feel better letting things warm up first, there's no problem doing so.

personally i think nick is wrong on the soft parts not being fragile in the cold..... for example i just reconed my BL 18's not even a month ago and was slamming on them and it was in the single digits outside and even below 0 sometimes and i cracked one of my spiders.. Nick tries saying it was cause i was playin below tuning and blah blah blah subsonic filter needs to be set higher yada yada yada when i dont EVEN play low shit on my system especially nothing below 30hz thats for damn sure.... of course thou its never the manufactures fault always the consumers... since ive owned the BL's before i reconed them for over 2 years with NO issues...

We have been using that spider since before the days of RE, we know the limitations of that spider..and exactly how it breaks and what causes it.

Here's the problem.

You do not KNOW if you are playing "low shit on my system below 30Hz"

You could have reverberations in the recording or a pop/click of the mic that is at 8-10Hz that you can't hear (granted it should be filtered out, but who knows if you even had the filter on)..it can happen so fast that you do not even know that it happened, yet you keep playing the track. The quality of the recording of a track can make things do stupid stuff. Loading in the enclosure can cause issues..if a sub is not 'behind' a port and one is 'behind' a port then you have 1 woofer that loads completely differently than another one. One will move more then the other one will...resulting in your situation with the popped spiders.

The BL only has a 1.8" tall coil, and a .9" tall top plate. (xmax of 18mm 1 way linear travel) The spiders do NOT lock up until 30mm in ONE direction...when they lock up they pop like a potato chip radially across the weave of the spider. So you are definitely playing below port tuning frequency, with too shallow of a subsonic filter...OR your tuning is off (which is more likely because resistors have a set value that is defined by mathematics..a port length has far more human error in the equation) Those spiders only pop when they 'lock up' or move past the mechanical limitations. When you move it past 30mm (or so) you begin to form right angles radially in 4-6 spots in the spider (generally 4), at that point it makes a 'crease' in the phenolic resin and when you keep hitting that same spot on that same song it eventually pops and rips all the way through at that stress point.

Sorry you feel that we should be held responsible..those spiders simply do not have issues, they have been the same spider we have been using for 12 years, with the same materials and everything. It does not have issues unless you push it past the mechanical limitations..

It is no different then a tab on a coke can. You can bend it back and forth within its limitations all day long, when you start moving it PAST the limitations it then pops and breaks at that stress point.

The temperatures here have absolutely nothing to do with it. You are not going to shred a spider in the states..it does not get cold enough. Alaska now, that could potentially be an issue as they get down to 30 and 40 below zero...but I doubt it very seriously...the spiders are made out of poly cotton, the same stuff your t-shirt is made out of...

Actually it was -28 the other night... and i wrote you an email asking you if it was myth about subs having a break in period some say yes other say no throttle on them.. i will believe it was from being cold and "NEW" cause like i stated in previous comment i had my BL's for 2 years with NO ISSUES and ive been listening to the same kinda music, basically the same songs "no joke" and they didnt rip until i put a JBL6000a GTI on them.. "2 years later" after they were beat to shit.. and WAYYY over powering them,, but i had the RF40001 on them before that for 2 years not a problem.. but hey you build them i buy em so you obviously know more than i do..

[///M5 2,833]

Someone posed the exact question to Nick in the chat the other day. None of the soft parts on the subs are fragile enough to be caused any trouble by playing hard cold, but if you feel better letting things warm up first, there's no problem doing so.

personally i think nick is wrong on the soft parts not being fragile in the cold..... for example i just reconed my BL 18's not even a month ago and was slamming on them and it was in the single digits outside and even below 0 sometimes and i cracked one of my spiders.. Nick tries saying it was cause i was playin below tuning and blah blah blah subsonic filter needs to be set higher yada yada yada when i dont EVEN play low shit on my system especially nothing below 30hz thats for damn sure.... of course thou its never the manufactures fault always the consumers... since ive owned the BL's before i reconed them for over 2 years with NO issues...

We have been using that spider since before the days of RE, we know the limitations of that spider..and exactly how it breaks and what causes it.

Here's the problem.

You do not KNOW if you are playing "low shit on my system below 30Hz"

You could have reverberations in the recording or a pop/click of the mic that is at 8-10Hz that you can't hear (granted it should be filtered out, but who knows if you even had the filter on)..it can happen so fast that you do not even know that it happened, yet you keep playing the track. The quality of the recording of a track can make things do stupid stuff. Loading in the enclosure can cause issues..if a sub is not 'behind' a port and one is 'behind' a port then you have 1 woofer that loads completely differently than another one. One will move more then the other one will...resulting in your situation with the popped spiders.

The BL only has a 1.8" tall coil, and a .9" tall top plate. (xmax of 18mm 1 way linear travel) The spiders do NOT lock up until 30mm in ONE direction...when they lock up they pop like a potato chip radially across the weave of the spider. So you are definitely playing below port tuning frequency, with too shallow of a subsonic filter...OR your tuning is off (which is more likely because resistors have a set value that is defined by mathematics..a port length has far more human error in the equation) Those spiders only pop when they 'lock up' or move past the mechanical limitations. When you move it past 30mm (or so) you begin to form right angles radially in 4-6 spots in the spider (generally 4), at that point it makes a 'crease' in the phenolic resin and when you keep hitting that same spot on that same song it eventually pops and rips all the way through at that stress point.

Sorry you feel that we should be held responsible..those spiders simply do not have issues, they have been the same spider we have been using for 12 years, with the same materials and everything. It does not have issues unless you push it past the mechanical limitations..

It is no different then a tab on a coke can. You can bend it back and forth within its limitations all day long, when you start moving it PAST the limitations it then pops and breaks at that stress point.

The temperatures here have absolutely nothing to do with it. You are not going to shred a spider in the states..it does not get cold enough. Alaska now, that could potentially be an issue as they get down to 30 and 40 below zero...but I doubt it very seriously...the spiders are made out of poly cotton, the same stuff your t-shirt is made out of...

Actually it was -28 the other night... and i wrote you an email asking you if it was myth about subs having a break in period some say yes other say no throttle on them.. i will believe it was from being cold and "NEW" cause like i stated in previous comment i had my BL's for 2 years with NO ISSUES and ive been listening to the same kinda music, basically the same songs "no joke" and they didnt rip until i put a JBL6000a GTI on them.. "2 years later" after they were beat to shit.. and WAYYY over powering them,, but i had the RF40001 on them before that for 2 years not a problem.. but hey you build them i buy em so you obviously know more than i do..

Completely unrelated. You built a box that is wrong or set your filters wrong. Break in is a farce. The sub will indeed loosen up, but there is no time frame required for power handling. If you know so much about materials and what can happen if it is "NEW" perhaps you could explain how the material properties changed? We are open to listening, but don't think for a minute since you are pissed you broke something that you can force the blame onto others by making something up. Bring some science and we are game....although I know that you won't be able to.

And yes, I've installed and played new shit at colder temps than that. Growing up in Moorhead/Fargo you get that opportunity regularly.

[hispls 23]

Someone posed the exact question to Nick in the chat the other day. None of the soft parts on the subs are fragile enough to be caused any trouble by playing hard cold, but if you feel better letting things warm up first, there's no problem doing so.

personally i think nick is wrong on the soft parts not being fragile in the cold..... for example i just reconed my BL 18's not even a month ago and was slamming on them and it was in the single digits outside and even below 0 sometimes and i cracked one of my spiders.. Nick tries saying it was cause i was playin below tuning and blah blah blah subsonic filter needs to be set higher yada yada yada when i dont EVEN play low shit on my system especially nothing below 30hz thats for damn sure.... of course thou its never the manufactures fault always the consumers... since ive owned the BL's before i reconed them for over 2 years with NO issues...

We have been using that spider since before the days of RE, we know the limitations of that spider..and exactly how it breaks and what causes it.

Here's the problem.

You do not KNOW if you are playing "low shit on my system below 30Hz"

You could have reverberations in the recording or a pop/click of the mic that is at 8-10Hz that you can't hear (granted it should be filtered out, but who knows if you even had the filter on)..it can happen so fast that you do not even know that it happened, yet you keep playing the track. The quality of the recording of a track can make things do stupid stuff. Loading in the enclosure can cause issues..if a sub is not 'behind' a port and one is 'behind' a port then you have 1 woofer that loads completely differently than another one. One will move more then the other one will...resulting in your situation with the popped spiders.

The BL only has a 1.8" tall coil, and a .9" tall top plate. (xmax of 18mm 1 way linear travel) The spiders do NOT lock up until 30mm in ONE direction...when they lock up they pop like a potato chip radially across the weave of the spider. So you are definitely playing below port tuning frequency, with too shallow of a subsonic filter...OR your tuning is off (which is more likely because resistors have a set value that is defined by mathematics..a port length has far more human error in the equation) Those spiders only pop when they 'lock up' or move past the mechanical limitations. When you move it past 30mm (or so) you begin to form right angles radially in 4-6 spots in the spider (generally 4), at that point it makes a 'crease' in the phenolic resin and when you keep hitting that same spot on that same song it eventually pops and rips all the way through at that stress point.

Sorry you feel that we should be held responsible..those spiders simply do not have issues, they have been the same spider we have been using for 12 years, with the same materials and everything. It does not have issues unless you push it past the mechanical limitations..

It is no different then a tab on a coke can. You can bend it back and forth within its limitations all day long, when you start moving it PAST the limitations it then pops and breaks at that stress point.

The temperatures here have absolutely nothing to do with it. You are not going to shred a spider in the states..it does not get cold enough. Alaska now, that could potentially be an issue as they get down to 30 and 40 below zero...but I doubt it very seriously...the spiders are made out of poly cotton, the same stuff your t-shirt is made out of...

Actually it was -28 the other night... and i wrote you an email asking you if it was myth about subs having a break in period some say yes other say no throttle on them.. i will believe it was from being cold and "NEW" cause like i stated in previous comment i had my BL's for 2 years with NO ISSUES and ive been listening to the same kinda music, basically the same songs "no joke" and they didnt rip until i put a JBL6000a GTI on them.. "2 years later" after they were beat to shit.. and WAYYY over powering them,, but i had the RF40001 on them before that for 2 years not a problem.. but hey you build them i buy em so you obviously know more than i do..

Completely unrelated. You built a box that is wrong or set your filters wrong. Break in is a farce. The sub will indeed loosen up, but there is no time frame required for power handling. If you know so much about materials and what can happen if it is "NEW" perhaps you could explain how the material properties changed? We are open to listening, but don't think for a minute since you are pissed you broke something that you can force the blame onto others by making something up. Bring some science and we are game....although I know that you won't be able to.

And yes, I've installed and played new shit at colder temps than that. Growing up in Moorhead/Fargo you get that opportunity regularly.

BAM!

My thoughts exactly, break in = bullshit and unless you're in the arctic circle, low temp = bullshit.... though in theory you may get a little more power for a little longer if the coils are cold, but I think if we're talking 4-6KW you'll still get into thermal compression pretty quick. Also can vouch than songs without "low shit" in them often have some very low sub-harminics and pops and such. Seen it in some unsuspected music.