Three way

[orlandoman 0]

I have a Morel Dotech Ovation 6 two way components installed. I also have a pair of Selenium 6 inch midwoofers in the garage. Now here is the trick part guys. When I heard the Seleniums at a local car audio shop on the board it sounded like a midrange and I have been told over and over and over and over again that Selenium is a midrange speaker. Now with that said I decided to call Morel in NY and talked to one of their people about the component set I have in my ride. When I was on the phone with Morel they told me this if I decided to go active.

Morel mid

80 Hertz to 3200 Hertz @ 12 dB Octave low pass

Tweeter

3200 Hertz and up @ 12 dB Octave high pass.

He was telling me this if I wanted to go active but I have been told if I add a midrange that the midrange is bandpass. So my question is to you guys what crossover setting would the Morel 6" mid, the Selenium 6" midrange and the Morel tweeter will have to be set at?

Thank you kindly

Ebrahim

[Impious 1,476]

First, no one is going to be able to tell you the answer to where to set the crossover points over the internet. I could throw out some arbitrary frequencies, but they wouldn't do you any real good.

It's going to depend on the limitations of the Selenium (which we weren't even given a model # for in your post) and various other factors.

However, I don't really see the point in running 3-way with a 6" midbass, 6" midrange and a tweeter. It pretty much defeats the purpose of using a 3-way set. One of the advantages of 3-way is to allow the majority of the midrange to come from a single location.....the midrange. With using a 6" midrange, you are going to be restricted to a fairly low crossover point (for a 3-way setup)......you'll get some advantage in have more control over phase relationships, but not the full benefit of going 3-way.

IMO you need to rethink your plan. And no offense.....but if you have to ask someone else to tell you what crossover points to use, you probably aren't ready for a 3-way active frontstage.

[orlandoman 0]

Actually the Seleniums are 6WP4 to be honest with you. Actually I am going to go with the Morel MT22 tweeters up front, the Selenium 6 WP4 up front and the Morel 7" midbass under the seat in a 06 KIA SPECTRA SX sedan.

Speaker locations for the speakers are the tweeter and midrange in the kickpanel and if the midbass cant go door then goes under the seat. I got under the seat idea when car audio and electronics magazine did a BMW 3 series with the midbass under the seat and it is in their current issue.

Amps are Arc Audio because I love them over Zapco and the headunit is an Eclipse CD 5030 and the subs are Arc Audio to.

Thank you all

[Impious 1,476]

I still don't see the point in using a 6" in that 3-way. You would do yourself well to look at something more capable of wideband performance than a 6".

And I don't care what car was in CA&E.....midbass under the front seats is a very poor location.

[orlandoman 0]

Honestly my friend the Morel Dotech Ovation[ 2 way component set] are good but looking for more midrange sorry that is my end goal at the end of the day. Now I was told by a Morel dealer that if I wanted to go 3 way with Morels I need to buy a whole new component set where as the Morel tech support in NY told me I could just get their midrange which is a whole lot cheaper and added it on to my two way set.

[///M5 2,833]

And just like in your other thread asking the same thing we will also respond the same. It is flat out a TERRIBLE idea to do what you are proposing. If you want more midrange why not first tweak what you have. You have given us nearly no details of how your stuff is setup, so it is hard to help.

I guarantee that some tuning and time on what you have in a 2 way will sound WAY, WAY better than if you do what you propose in the thread which has serious fail written all over it.

[orlandoman 0]

Eclipse CD 5030

Morel Dotech Ovation 6 powered by an Arc Audio KS 300.2

Morel Maximo 6.5 coaxials powered by an Arc Audio XXD 2080

Arc Audio XXD 10s powered by an Arc Audio KS 500.1 Mini

And just like in your other thread asking the same thing we will also respond the same. It is flat out a TERRIBLE idea to do what you are proposing. If you want more midrange why not first tweak what you have. You have given us nearly no details of how your stuff is setup, so it is hard to help.

I guarantee that some tuning and time on what you have in a 2 way will sound WAY, WAY better than if you do what you propose in the thread which has serious fail written all over it.

[///M5 2,833]

Equipment is just a very small part of the equation. Much more important is the install.

[jcarter1885 995]

Give pictures of your mounting locations and what all went in to installing these components. This will get you rolling with help from the guys on here.

[orlandoman 0]

Actually the components are in stock locations but I am going to try to build a kick panel since I have a how to guide and I know the guy at the local shop will charge me $500 for it and plus that it would only take a whole day. He is charging me $500 instead of the regular price because him, his brother and his crew love me and they always enjoy my character and me being there.

So if I leave my ride over by them I would do it when I go on my one week vacation since they are cool with me leaving my ride their for 7 days although it would take a 1 day job.

Thank you

Ebrahim

[orlandoman 0]

Oh I should mention that I like to listen to my music loud and I listen to rock music a lot especially artists like Seether, Evanescence, Nickelback, Nonpoint and some reggae, techno and classical to.

[cobra93 47]

Actually the components are in stock locations but I am going to try to build a kick panel since I have a how to guide and I know the guy at the local shop will charge me $500 for it and plus that it would only take a whole day. He is charging me $500 instead of the regular price because him, his brother and his crew love me and they always enjoy my character and me being there.

So if I leave my ride over by them I would do it when I go on my one week vacation since they are cool with me leaving my ride their for 7 days although it would take a 1 day job.

Thank you

Ebrahim

If you're wanting help from the people on this forum, you should start listening to the questions they're asking.

Once you do this you will receive allot of useful help, not just a bunch random information, like what speakers I like or somebody else likes.

This guy you know at this shop is charging you $500 for what exactly, 2 kick panels?

Are you mechanically inclined, at all, if you are you can do a little research, ask some informed questions and have some custom enclosures that you built and can be proud of.

Do you own basic power tools, Jig saw, drill, circular saw, if you do these aren't that hard to construct.

I think you'll be surprised if you try it for yourself.

I wouldn't pay for this, but that's me.

I can't imagine how well built they will be or how well they will sound if it only is going to take a day to build.

I spent very little time on aiming and placement on 2 speakers and I've got a couple of weeks ( 2-3 hours a day) listening to find what I thought sound good to me.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I just think you'll have better results if you take a little time to learn how too do the things you're interested in and you'll save allot of $$$$ in the process.

Good luck!

[orlandoman 0]

Dude I can build stuff that is not a problem.

Imaging is since I do not like to have big speakers or speakers with a big magnet on the a pillar.

Tweeters are okay on the a pillar.

Yes $500 for both kickpanels though to.

In true honesty the reason why I am jumping on the three way wagon is that I heard the Morel two way and their three way components with rock music and the three way brings the guitar to life where the two way does not.

Also in my research a lot of people at the competitions use three way setup front and sub in the trunk when they do not have rear speakers. Then again they tuned their system to the IASCA cd which I have a copy of and to be honest was not a big fan of most of their tracks though.

Actually the components are in stock locations but I am going to try to build a kick panel since I have a how to guide and I know the guy at the local shop will charge me $500 for it and plus that it would only take a whole day. He is charging me $500 instead of the regular price because him, his brother and his crew love me and they always enjoy my character and me being there.

So if I leave my ride over by them I would do it when I go on my one week vacation since they are cool with me leaving my ride their for 7 days although it would take a 1 day job.

Thank you

Ebrahim

If you're wanting help from the people on this forum, you should start listening to the questions they're asking.

Once you do this you will receive allot of useful help, not just a bunch random information, like what speakers I like or somebody else likes.

This guy you know at this shop is charging you $500 for what exactly, 2 kick panels?

Are you mechanically inclined, at all, if you are you can do a little research, ask some informed questions and have some custom enclosures that you built and can be proud of.

Do you own basic power tools, Jig saw, drill, circular saw, if you do these aren't that hard to construct.

I think you'll be surprised if you try it for yourself.

I wouldn't pay for this, but that's me.

I can't imagine how well built they will be or how well they will sound if it only is going to take a day to build.

I spent very little time on aiming and placement on 2 speakers and I've got a couple of weeks ( 2-3 hours a day) listening to find what I thought sound good to me.

I'm not trying to be an ass, I just think you'll have better results if you take a little time to learn how too do the things you're interested in and you'll save allot of $$$$ in the process.

Good luck!

[///M5 2,833]

Bringing a guitar to life is not a function of 2 or 3 way but installation. The selenium won't help

[Duran 387]

A 2 way can sound just as good, it's all in the install, NOT the equipment used.

[Impious 1,476]

Bringing a guitar to life is not a function of 2 or 3 way but installation. The selenium won't help

What you are looking for has less to do with the number of speakers and more to do with the installation and tuning, and some to do with speaker selection and personal preference.

Short story is that it's entire possibly for you to have worse results with an active 3-way using those Seleniums than sticking with the Morel's you have now.

You're drawing an illogical conclusion that because you liked the Morel 3-way better than the 2-way in the particular scenario in which you listened to them, that any 3-way will be better than a 2-way......there's far more to it, it's not that simplistic.

Regardless, even if you wanted to move to a 3-way that Selenium is still not the way to go about doing it.

[ssh 924]

I've been trying to hold back but the temptation is too strong. I love three ways

[Julian 641]

I've been trying to hold back but the temptation is too strong. I love three ways

LOLILOLOLOLOL!!!!!

[orlandoman 0]

Yeah I am thinking of doing the components on a 4 channel amp like the Arc Audio amp that does 75 x 4 not sure of the model number off hand.

Also a friend of mine told I could go the Zapco route with their DC series.

He told me to take the tweeters out of the door and throw it on the a pillars and just keep the mid in the door or could go kickpanel on that one.

Now with that being said is their anyway you can easily replace speakers once they are installed in the kickpanel and a pillars?

Thank you

[orlandoman 0]

Actually I heard the 3 way on the board and it was powered by a 4 channel Arc Audio amp and so was the 2 way. I might even run the two way I have now on a 4 channel amp and see if that is what I like.

Bringing a guitar to life is not a function of 2 or 3 way but installation. The selenium won't help

What you are looking for has less to do with the number of speakers and more to do with the installation and tuning, and some to do with speaker selection and personal preference.

Short story is that it's entire possibly for you to have worse results with an active 3-way using those Seleniums than sticking with the Morel's you have now.

You're drawing an illogical conclusion that because you liked the Morel 3-way better than the 2-way in the particular scenario in which you listened to them, that any 3-way will be better than a 2-way......there's far more to it, it's not that simplistic.

Regardless, even if you wanted to move to a 3-way that Selenium is still not the way to go about doing it.

[Duran 387]

Actually I heard the 3 way on the board and it was powered by a 4 channel Arc Audio amp and so was the 2 way. I might even run the two way I have now on a 4 channel amp and see if that is what I like.

It must have been passive then, just for clarification.

[orlandoman 0]

By the way I sold the Seleniums just to let you know for $50 cash to some guy here in Orlando.

[Duran 387]

I've been trying to hold back but the temptation is too strong. I love three ways

I've never had one, I'll have to see if the lady will go for it

[orlandoman 0]

Correct and to be honest when I called the guy today it was Morel's top of the line 3 way on the board.

Actually I heard the 3 way on the board and it was powered by a 4 channel Arc Audio amp and so was the 2 way. I might even run the two way I have now on a 4 channel amp and see if that is what I like.

It must have been passive then, just for clarification.