Bravox CS-603CF Kickpanels

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

Looking really nice Sir.

I am going to line my door pods with clay now. Seeing that was one of those why didnt I think of that moments.

[Impious 1,476]

Thanks for the rundown on your system.

I've heard allot of good things about the shiva subs, with regards to them being quick/clean.

What alignment is it being used in?

I've always been happy with my eclipse subs, 88120 dvc aluminum/ 88120 ti dvc, sealed or ported.

They seem to get loud and stay quick/ clean, but due to space limitations I may be looking to go with some 10"s.

To bad diy cable doesn't have any 10"s.

Do you have any opinions on these two subs and how they might compare if placed in similar enclosures?

Thanks.

I run my Shiva-X infinite baffle.

Those Eclipse subs are good subs. I had a quartet of 88120DVC's about a decade ago. They are TC Sounds TC7 based subwoofers.

The Shiva-X2 has more Xmax, lower inductance, higher rated power handling, and more than likely a more linear motor. It also has a slightly higher Qts and it's Fs is a little more than a half octave lower than the 88120DVC, which means the Shiva-X will have much better low frequency extension/low frequency output than the 88120's in sealed enclosures, and it's higher Xmax means it has the potential for more overall output. On the flip side, the Shiva's Vas is larger and is going to need a larger volume sealed enclosure to reach a given Qtc than the Eclipse. The Eclipse would really be more at home in a ported enclosure. In ported enclosures of similar size the Shiva would have probably have better low frequency extension although if placed in an Eclipse-sized ported enclosure the response would potentially be a little more peaky and it's transient response probably a little worse than the Eclipse. And, again, the Shiva would need a larger sized enclosure to reach equivalent alignments.

[cobra93 47]

Thanks for the rundown on your system.

I've heard allot of good things about the shiva subs, with regards to them being quick/clean.

What alignment is it being used in?

I've always been happy with my eclipse subs, 88120 dvc aluminum/ 88120 ti dvc, sealed or ported.

They seem to get loud and stay quick/ clean, but due to space limitations I may be looking to go with some 10"s.

To bad diy cable doesn't have any 10"s.

Do you have any opinions on these two subs and how they might compare if placed in similar enclosures?

Thanks.

I run my Shiva-X infinite baffle.

Those Eclipse subs are good subs. I had a quartet of 88120DVC's about a decade ago. They are TC Sounds TC7 based subwoofers.

The Shiva-X2 has more Xmax, lower inductance, higher rated power handling, and more than likely a more linear motor. It also has a slightly higher Qts and it's Fs is a little more than a half octave lower than the 88120DVC, which means the Shiva-X will have much better low frequency extension/low frequency output than the 88120's in sealed enclosures, and it's higher Xmax means it has the potential for more overall output. On the flip side, the Shiva's Vas is larger and is going to need a larger volume sealed enclosure to reach a given Qtc than the Eclipse. The Eclipse would really be more at home in a ported enclosure. In ported enclosures of similar size the Shiva would have probably have better low frequency extension although if placed in an Eclipse-sized ported enclosure the response would potentially be a little more peaky and it's transient response probably a little worse than the Eclipse. And, again, the Shiva would need a larger sized enclosure to reach equivalent alignments.

Thanks very much for your thoughts/insight.

I very much appreciate your response.

I feel as though I'm jacking your thread, sorry about that.

You are a very respected member on this site and have helped me in the past on crossover settings with a DMM, I'll use the knowledge you have given me in all my future installs.

I hope you're happy with the bravox components you have now.

I'm waiting to hear you overall impressions once you get everything adjusted to your liking.

[Impious 1,476]

Not many pictures today as I was busy working, and not much to see. I got the wires ran and passives wired up (have the passives under my front seats, large suckers won't fit anywhere else), used some CLD to "seal" the hole in the kickpanel to the hole in the car's kickpanel, then stuffed the kicks full of polyfill. I tried using the grills for the mids from the CS60CF's that I had laying around, but the grill's ring squished the rubber ring on the front of the midbass, which in turn deformed the surround....I was a little upset about that

But at last, they make MUSIC !! (yes, I need to sweep out my car)

What to play for their inaugural voyage? Nothing less than the King of Pop ofcourse!

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

Ha Ha, Mr. Jackson is in my CD player right now too.

Looks nice.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Look awesome. I am jealous you got yours in before me. Surprising that you found the best sound with the mids pointing to what appears to be up into the base of the dash.

[sefugi 166]

I like, I like!! Very nice, hope they sound as well as they look.

[jcarter1885 995]

looking good my friend

[Impious 1,476]

Surprising that you found the best sound with the mids pointing to what appears to be up into the base of the dash.

Off axis usually works out best A lot of guys start by aiming at the speakers at the back of the headunit, then work from there. I explained why in a post a while ago: CLICK ME

I played with aiming a lot. I would have liked to try them a little more vertical (but still off-axis) but didn't have the space height wise, and I would have liked to try them more off-axis (aiming straight across the vehicle) but didn't have the space width-wise from the firewall to the door opening. So I did have some compromises and limitations based on the speaker layout and space restrictions.....so I didn't get to try everything, but overall I think results are still pretty good.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

It's about time you sprayed some grease on that hinge assembly.

[j-roadtatts 1,129]

The pods look good loaded with drivers!!!

[Impious 1,476]

It's about time you sprayed some grease on that hinge assembly.

LMAO......it's hilarious you noticed that as it drives my dad crazy. He's constantly giving my crap about the squeaky hinge.

I went over to use his garage Sunday to finish up, and as soon as I was parked in the garage he came out with the can in-hand, stated "I'm tired of listening to this fucking door" and coated it with the grease.

[cobra93 47]

It's about time you sprayed some grease on that hinge assembly.

LMAO......it's hilarious you noticed that as it drives my dad crazy. He's constantly giving my crap about the squeaky hinge.

I went over to use his garage Sunday to finish up, and as soon as I was parked in the garage he came out with the can in-hand, stated "I'm tired of listening to this pucking door" and coated it with the grease.

Dads are good for that sort of thing.

[diablo_331 23]

That's classic. Like my old man always says, " Why put off off what you can do now until later?"lol

[MrStar 0]

How does it sound? I have the same components and about to use a two way instead. (audible physics duo)... I don't think I want to deal with a 3 way.

[Impious 1,476]

They sound good. Natural sound and they seem very good at revealing low level details. Very strong midbass until my processor took it away to deal with a huge resonance I had from the mounting location.

I really just haven't had time to do the same level of critical listening as I did on the CS60CF set.

[altoncustomtech 773]

Bringing this thread back from the depths...

So, have you gotten enough listening time in on them to maybe give a more in depth review of these yet?

Your review on the CS60CF's was fantatstic, I'd love to hear your opinions on the 603's now that you've had them awhile.

[S.DeYoung 968]

Bringing this thread back from the depths...

So, have you gotten enough listening time in on them to maybe give a more in depth review of these yet?

Your review on the CS60CF's was fantatstic, I'd love to hear your opinions on the 603's now that you've had them awhile.

Interested too as I would like to purchase a set for my new setup

[Impious 1,476]

Review is probably not going to happen.

I will say that IMO you won't find anything else near their current price point that compares.

[Sencheezy 689]

Maybe now a review will happen???

[S.DeYoung 968]

Maybe now a review will happen???

I will have one soon when my new build log is uploaded.