New product announcement.

[sundownz 197]

Can they be strapped?

Yes.

[thecartel 0]

So the amp lines goes as follows:

Sae - entry level

Sax- Street/comp

Saz- comp

And the sub line go as follws right

E line goes with Sae

Sa line goes with Sax

Z line goes with Saz or Sax

NS line goes with Saz

Is this right?

Are you working on any componet set? There are a bunch of us that would really like to to see some soon. Also how soon is the full E-line and the SA-15 going to hit? I want to get the E & SA lines in the shop and just do the Z and NS as speical order items until things pick up with the Sundown stuff around here.(That won't take long... lol)

[sundownz 197]

I am working on alot of things for the end of 2010 and beginning of 2011... expect lots of new "entry level" stuff.

[inkfx 3]

Is the SAE-1200D sticking around?

[sundownz 197]

Is the SAE-1200D sticking around?

Debating... so far they have been significantly more reliable than the v.1 model -- if that continues I will keep them around.

[Impious 1,476]

I'd like to see some class AB with high power stable to 1ohm

Why?

[TRP 42]

Cool man, always glad to see you updating and adding new products!! You should look into possibly doing a larger than the 4500. Maybe like a 7500, dont know if the market is really available for it or not though?? I was just thinking as far as for a true competition series amp. But i am guessing that is just wishful thinking on my part!!

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Seems like my wishes for the SAX-250.2 or 125.6 are still on the back burner.

[sundownz 197]

Cool man, always glad to see you updating and adding new products!! You should look into possibly doing a larger than the 4500. Maybe like a 7500, dont know if the market is really available for it or not though?? I was just thinking as far as for a true competition series amp. But i am guessing that is just wishful thinking on my part!!

I am toying with a big boy design... but not seriously. I am still working on launching the 4500D to bigger production numbers before I even think about it seriously.

[kkk4 3]

Seems like my wishes for the SAX-250.2 or 125.6 are still on the back burner.

I go directly to SAX-500.2

In Europe there is the boom in low-average number of installations in the door, and good sounding Class AB, and stable to 1ohm would be ideal ... here is full of companies that have focused on this band

many are so

power Stereo RMS @4ohm Watt 335 x 2

power Stereo RMS @2ohm Watt 650 x 2

power Stereo RMS @1ohm Watt 1200 x 2

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Seems like my wishes for the SAX-250.2 or 125.6 are still on the back burner.

I go directly to SAX-500.2

In Europe there is the boom in low-average number of installations in the door, and good sounding Class AB, and stable to 1ohm would be ideal ... here is full of companies that have focused on this band

many are so

power Stereo RMS @4ohm Watt 335 x 2

power Stereo RMS @2ohm Watt 650 x 2

power Stereo RMS @1ohm Watt 1200 x 2

I was semi-joking. As the market is going, smaller and smaller amps are the wave. That is mostly being done by Full Range Class-D, or more efficient design of board and parts. So for Jacob to build a monster A/B amp, especially with FR class-D's approaching or matching THD of class-A/B and standard class-D technology getting cheaper, it would not make sense money wise to build a surfboard. The traditionalists like me are getting fewer and fewer, and do not pull the trigger on amplifiers as fast and easy as the younger or competition crowd. Money wise, it makes sense to probably not build much larger then the existing A/B's in the line up. Heck, the 125.2 is a strong amplifier as is, and can power plenty of daily driving sub woofers with ease, along with big mid's or higher power handling tweeters. But the 125.2 does not sell as many units as a 1500D or 100.4. That shows Jacob, there is little market for an even larger, class-A/B amp that is a current hog, has a large foot print and is more expensive to build then a comparable class-D amp of the same power output in mono that is cheaper to build and smaller of foot print. Many people do not understand that in most amplifiers today, the most expensive part on the amplifier is usually the heat sink. Again making it more cost prohibitive to build a big class-A/B amp that will need much more cooling then a class-D of comparable output. A constant in this business is the cost of materials continue to climb. To go along with the whole idea of smaller being the better direction, across the world, smaller cars are picking up more and more of the market. People are going to have less and less space for big power amplifiers. Which means amp companies need to squeeze out more power from less size. Something that is very difficult or very expensive. Alpine has been leading the charge with the PDX amps, but the seemingly unending feedback their noticeable distortion levels do not put them at the top of the market.

[kkk4 3]

I can only say that in Italy, a company such as GT Trading, manufacturing line STEG amplifiers, sold a bunch of amps class a / b power high. amplifier has to 700euro 1200euro and market our products at the top.

companies like Ground Zero, had similar amplifiers, also cost half the price and are selling a lot. many companies are coming out of producing high power class AB and the prices are not very prohibitive, the zenon, produces among its 500x2 amp seems

in Italy is the fashion of "fronts to scream", AB amplifiers that require well-sounding, and high power...

also installing 8 medium-low per port, more 2-3 compression tweeter

find a flood of video

each of these cars, install 1-2-3 amplifiers of this kind only for the front

this is my old car

5 Class AB amplifiers, pulling 800x2 watt RMS at 1ohm

is full of these cars in Italy

Examples of amplifiers:

Steg K2.04 - Amp Guts (1200x2 at 1ohm)

Steg K2.03 - Amp Guts (800x2 at 1ohm)

Steg QM 310.2x - Amp Guts (800x2 at 1ohm)

:: Ground Zero :: Amplifier / GZNA 2800XII (2x1200 at 1ohm)

Mosconi - AS300.2

thousands are sold in Italy if they are good products

[Impious 1,476]

There's no reason with today's technology to look at big, low impedance class A/B amplifiers when you can get exactly the same performance in a potentially smaller and more efficient package with other amplifier classes. While it may be big in Italy for whatever reason (can't say I can understand the appeal of the systems in the above links personally), the rest of the world is advancing with technology into the future with amplifier designs that provide more benefits than class A/B has to offer. I've really yet to see any valid reasoning as to why you feel the need for the amplifiers to be class A/B as opposed to other topologies other than "because it's the big thing in Italy right now". That's not really valid reasoning, that's just following the herd.

Class A/B has it's place as a topology.....big, high powered, low impedance amplifiers isn't really that place anymore.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

I was not saying there is not market for it, just that I can see if I were Jacob, what direction to take in terms of what sells best in his busier markets. I know he moves plenty of amps overseas, but I believe that still the USA is the primary market. And that market is going towards cheaper and cheaper power, so large A/B amps make that an impossibility for him.

[kkk4 3]

yes, in fact jacob should see its sales, and then decide what to build

it is normal to build products based on its sales

my staff had a thought, since in Italy were estimated 1000 class AB high power by one company in 1 calendar year

[sundownz 197]

I have a prototype large 4 channel I plan to test soon... not sure if / when I would produce it.

Is in fact 1 ohm stable... for running large PA speaker setups.

[jcarter1885 995]

I have a prototype large 4 channel I plan to test soon... not sure if / when I would produce it.

Is in fact 1 ohm stable... for running large PA speaker setups.

I run PA speakers

[kkk4 3]

I have a prototype large 4 channel I plan to test soon... not sure if / when I would produce it.

Is in fact 1 ohm stable... for running large PA speaker setups.

2 channel no?

[videsh 0]

A big four channel and a big 2 channel will definitely sell down here in the Caribbean and i mean DEFINITELY. good job with the new products

[NICKTENN 0]

I'm curious as to the differences between the SAZ-1000D and SAX1200D besides size and power. Is there a durability difference? How about sound quality? The reason I ask is I'm planing on an FI Q 12" in a sealed box with a 1000 watts. Is there really any advantage to the 1200 over the 1000 besides power? I like the lowered pricing of the SAZ1000, but if the 1200 is going to be significantly better, I'd be willing to shell out the extra dough.

[sundownz 197]

I'm curious as to the differences between the SAZ-1000D and SAX1200D besides size and power. Is there a durability difference? How about sound quality? The reason I ask is I'm planing on an FI Q 12" in a sealed box with a 1000 watts. Is there really any advantage to the 1200 over the 1000 besides power? I like the lowered pricing of the SAZ1000, but if the 1200 is going to be significantly better, I'd be willing to shell out the extra dough.

It was designed for more power while remaining nearly as small... the 1000D is a very reliable amp.