ReconeHelp!!!

[cheese20323 13]

Alright so my cousin just poppped his RE SE 12 the model from 06. So i got a quote from Fi. 180 bone stock He has the hifonics 1608D 1600wrms @1 ohm and the audiocontrol epicenter. But there are alotof options at Fi so wich ones would be good.Like an extra spider? he doesnt want them to pop again

[Kanaworm$ 292]

As far as options go give some goals with what you want from the recone!

[shizzzon 461]

that must be a typo...

They want 180 for a recone to an SE?

The BL recone is cheaper than that...

[cheese20323 13]

It is 180 for both recones LOL.He doesnt wanthis subs to pop again that is his goal.

[Impious 1,476]

How or why did the subwoofers become damaged? You need to identify the problem first. Considering he has an amplifier capable of thermally overdriving the speakers plus an Epicenter, and both of the drivers went nuclear, I'm going to throw out a guess that the problem was user error. In which case, your cousin needs to learn how to use his equipment rather than try to beef up the speakers to match his idiocy.

You would need to discuss with Scott how any changes to the original parts would affect the parameters and performance of the drivers. You can't just start randomly adding things like extra spiders without understanding how that is going to change the subwoofer (or if it would even help, since extra spiders wouldn't help if he was thermally overdriving the subwoofers). If you start changing things, the parameters will very likely shift enough that it will no longer provide the same performance as "stock" SE's had in his current box. And you would need to know what the new parameters would be so that an adequate enclosure could be constructed.

Or, the more simple solution.....get the stock recones for the driver and teach him how to properly use his equipment. If he doesn't want it to happen again, he needs to use more sense when using his equipment rather than trying to idiot-proof it for him. It was likely his fault, not the drivers'.

[cheese20323 13]

The subwoofers tinsel leads came off on one and the other they snapped in half.This is due to over excursion right? He said he might sell them and get 2 12 Fi SSD that would be good match right? Or the new RE SEx wich one would be better?

[jcarter1885 995]

The subwoofers tinsel leads came off on one and the other they snapped in half.This is due to over excursion right? He said he might sell them and get 2 12 Fi SSD that would be good match right? Or the new RE SEx wich one would be better?

Changing subs may help out but if he doesnt know how to control the epiccenter then it will happen again.

[cheese20323 13]

you guys think the epicenter is causing the problem?

[Impious 1,476]

The subwoofers tinsel leads came off on one and the other they snapped in half.This is due to over excursion right? He said he might sell them and get 2 12 Fi SSD that would be good match right? Or the new RE SEx wich one would be better?

Changing subs may help out but if he doesnt know how to control the epiccenter then it will happen again.

The problem wasn't the drivers. The problem was his inability to understand proper use of his equipment. If he doesn't understand why the first pair got damaged, there's little hope for different drivers to survive. Especially if he thinks he's getting something better suited to his abuse, which will probably lead him to abuse them harder......which will probably decrease their potential lifespan.

With a 1600w amp and an Epicenter, he will still have the ability to wreak havoc on either a pair of SSD's or SEx's.

[Impious 1,476]

you guys think the epicenter is causing the problem?

If he doesn't understand what the actual intended use of the Epicenter is, and was using it outside of it's intended purpose, then it was likely a contributing factor.

That said; If he doesn't also understand proper use of things like the gain and bass boost and doesn't know how to identify driver stress then it's a moot point since there are ways beyond an Epicenter to overdrive speakers.

[jcarter1885 995]

Personally if your not listening to spanish music or old school music then it really is no use for the epic center in your car, unless you can control it right. During rap it shouldnt really be used period since nowadays it will just distort the bass then help it.

[lithium 358]

do you mean shouldn't be used?

[cheese20323 13]

He only uses the epicenter on spanish music.. I talked to him today and he said that he didn't configure his amp(tune it)...Do you think there is a slight chance that he is sending clipped power to them.

[Duran 387]

yeah a slight chance

[cheese20323 13]

yeah i think he did. Because they are some beast subs. My other cousin has the same setup and he hasn't popped his.

[imhungnurnot 9]

what is a epicenter? i've heard of this when graphing ellipses in high school.. but nothing related to car audio

[cheese20323 13]

It's a name for a product made by Audiocontrol it is a bass enhancer.

[Impious 1,476]

It's a name for a product made by Audiocontrol it is a subwoofer blower.

Fixed.

[Duran 387]

It's a name for a product made by Audiocontrol it is a subwoofer blower.

Fixed.

X2

[cheese20323 13]

just wanted to know if audiocontrol made good EQ because he has an EQ and the epicenter but it has enough bass just with the EQ. BTW he got some Kicker CVX's do you think the same will happen are the Fi SSD better than the CVX. The good thing is that i got one of the 12's for 100 off of him and gonna recone with the the fi one. Do you think there would be a difference in sound.

Edited May 11, 2010 by cheese20323

[Impious 1,476]

just wanted to know if audiocontrol made good EQ because he has an EQ and the epicenter but it has enough bass just with the EQ.

Depends on which EQ he has. However, the EQ can also be dangerous as boosting the signal requires the amplifier increase it's power output. 3db of boost on the EQ would require the amplifier output twice the power at and near those frequencies, which can also potentially induce clipping. An increase of 6db would require the amplifier quadruple it's power output.

BTW he got some Kicker CVX's do you think the same will happen are the Fi SSD better than the CVX.

It's possible the same will happen if he doesn't understand proper use of the EQ, proper gain and other system settings, and doesn't know how to tell when a driver is stressed.

The good thing is that i got one of the 12's for 100 off of him and gonna recone with the the fi one. Do you think there would be a difference in sound.

There will be a difference in sound if you don't use the same original parts. Given Scott designed the SE he may be able to send you the stock SE parts. But if the soft parts change, the drivers parameters will change.

[cheese20323 13]

Well I'll see if i can get ahold of scott. Well the only thing i noticed is that when he is turning up his system the EQ is all the way up at the Sub level the epicenter is off in english songs but the amp remote gain is there but he barely turns it up and it is super loud and my brother has the same amp and the same gain but no EQ and for my bro to achieve the power my cousin is doing my bro turns it up 3/4 and there same subs in about same enclosure. But the subs don't distort. But he did say when he would cruise the subs will sometimes smell burnt that is a bad thing right?

BTW if i do change the parts would that change in sound be good?

Edited May 11, 2010 by cheese20323

[Impious 1,476]

But he did say when he would cruise the subs will sometimes smell burnt that is a bad thing right?

Unless the drivers are brand new yes, that's typically a bad thing. It means he's overheating the drivers and the VC glue is melting.

BTW if i do change the parts would that change in sound be good?

It could be. It could also be for the worse depending what the changes were. The enclosure requirements will also change so you would need to know the new T/S parameters in order to build an appropriate enclosure.

[cheese20323 13]

oh well it's not going to be pretty long before he pops those cvx's they don't really sound great either. I need to tell him how to use his equipment.