Wanting to put 4 mids and 4 tweeters in the door.

[Lucky 76 5]

So I was at a car show the other day and heard a setup with 4 sets of components in the doors. I was astonished by the loudness and clarity. I want to do something similar. I am on a budget and am looking to spend around $600 as far as speakers go. So yes (8) total midbasses and (8) total tweeters. I have looked on parts express and it is possible. I just don't know what to get and what would best suit my needs.

I am looking for loudness and clarity. Obviously sound quality or staging is not of importance. I am trying to keep up with my 4 18s and this seems to be the best way to do it. I listen to a lot of techno and hip hop. I would like to cross over around 60 hz as far as the midbasses go. I don't have room to go over 6 1/2 " midbasses.

I have had the id horns and id 69. I was not impressed as far as loudness was concerned.

[Lucky 76 5]

Forgot to mention that this will be an active setup.

[jcarter1885 995]

You have the right equipment to get loud, your just not setting it up right. You definitely are gonna need more power to get louder with this new setup you want vs. the one you have now. I dont see how horns werent loud enough for you, that is 107db efficiency. I have some 97db efficient speakers and they kill the loudness department.

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

You could look in to pro audio stuff. Like Eminence & Selenium. They get damn loud and price is pretty low. B&C too, but they are a little more $.

How could the horns not get loud?

Are you selling the ID mids and horns?

[topgun 262]

Ok. Before you go thinking about spending money you need to educate yourself a little more. Adding more and more speakers is a recipe for a huge pile of shit.

[shizzzon 461]

because horns rely on the acoustics of the car and how the sound rolls out of the horn to achieve it's efficiency that people assume will be achieved.

They must be mounted under the dash properly, otherwise.. it will loose efficiency if just ran wide open like any other speaker.

[Lucky 76 5]

There are mounted correctly. The cd1e's I guess are not 107db effieciency. They are 97 I believe. They also only handle 25-35 watts rms.

[Lucky 76 5]

Ok. Before you go thinking about spending money you need to educate yourself a little more. Adding more and more speakers is a recipe for a huge pile of shit.

A huge pile of shit as far as sound quality goes. I am not after that. I want this to just be loud and clear.

[Lucky 76 5]

You could look in to pro audio stuff. Like Eminence & Selenium. They get damn loud and price is pretty low. B&C too, but they are a little more $.

How could the horns not get loud?

Are you selling the ID mids and horns?

As soon as I figure out what I am doing I will let you know. I actually just got a new set of cd1e's and x69s in.

[shizzzon 461]

i know what you mean by loud... but do not use the word clear as it doesnt pertain to loud,

Sure you can control the clarity of it, in reference to low distortion output, but when it comes to phasing and proper aiming of the speakers, that can throw the clear out somewhat as i would interpret clear to mean more on the sound quality side and it's easier to tune less speakers than it is more speakers.

So... for just loud, i'd start doin research on a single pair of horn tweeters and a few sets of woofers for your doors and get your doors sealed and deadened too.

See if that's what you want and if it is... then there you go.

It probably won't even sound as great in terms of clarity as a stock system would but it will definitely get loud.

[shizzzon 461]

i can guarantee you this-

If u want extremely loud with awesome sound quality... you prob spend more money on equipment and testing than u did on those 4 18s alone.

SQ cost more than SPL does... well... typically. Depends how loud u are,

I'd pick up the phone and call Hybrid Audio and get some knowledge from them and see what they tell you to do.

Point is not to use their equipment but they use to be big SQ guys and know what sounds good...

[Lucky 76 5]

I liked the way this guys car sounded. He had 4 sets of components mounted in the doors. That is what I am after.

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

Look at the 6.5" pro audio drivers on parts express.

I feel sure you can find loud from that bunch, maybe even clear if you set it up right.

You wont need 4 of them in each door either.

[Lucky 76 5]

Look at the 6.5" pro audio drivers on parts express.

I feel sure you can find loud from that bunch, maybe even clear if you set it up right.

You wont need 4 of them in each door either.

I want for of them in each door lol. I have looked and there are definitely some options. I just don't know how to go about matching a tweeter to them.

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

Look at the horn loaded tweeters. Selenium makes some that i am sure you could blend with Selenium mids.

They would be damn effecient and get loud, but I dont think you know how loud 4 sets of these pro drivers and horn tweeters would be in your truck.

The Selenium tweeters can take 75w and are 111 dB 1W/1m. Dude, thats loud as fuck.

[SUNDOWN/FI BEATIN 0]

probably one of my favorite mid/highs setups that iv seen in an spl vehicle are eric alexanders.. im not sure what he uses but it lookel ike i think 4 8s in each door and some kind of tweeters .. i mean as far as sq goes it wouldnt be good but it was deffinately loud and "CLEAR"...

[jcarter1885 995]

I know how loud it is and have been there, I used to have 20 interior speakers and when you turned it up, it screamed (you could not sit in the car at all). This was when I was in school at Florida where the Pro Audio drivers and tons of speakers are used to make clear highs that will travel for long distances. I have heard some highs from over 2 miles aways (granted some people used horns outside there vehicles, which I personally hate). There are two ways to do this either get a real good set of speakers up front possibly some 8" or 10" drivers (1 in each door) and a pair of horns or even keep the ones you have now (selenium has nice horns as well, I ordered these last week until I get the Ultra's from Image Dynamics). Put power on them, get you a nice amount of head room so you can give them nice clean power when you do want to crank them (this will allow you to have a lower number of speakers with the ability to get loud and still have some clarity).

[Lucky 76 5]

What I was thinking about doing was actually keeping my horns and upgrading to the ultras. They are much more sensitive and can handle a hell of a lot more power. I would then buy the midbasses to keep up with them. I would need (4) 6 1/2" drivers to keep up with the ultras I think. I cannot fit more than 2 8s in the car or a single 10 or 12 if I am lucky.

Do you know how much the ultra compression driver itself costs without the horn body?

[jcarter1885 995]

No I dont know any of there pricing at all, you wont need that many drivers really. You just need to have a great horn to mid power ratio. I will have around 40 watts for my horns and 120-160 clean watts for my mids, if it is not loud enough then upgrade.

What amps do you have, what processing will you be using?

[Lucky 76 5]

No I dont know any of there pricing at all, you wont need that many drivers really. You just need to have a great horn to mid power ratio. I will have around 40 watts for my horns and 120-160 clean watts for my mids, if it is not loud enough then upgrade.

What amps do you have, what processing will you be using?

I am using the 360.2 for my processing. I am running 225 watts to my x69 mids and 25-30 to my cd1e horns and they just can't keep up with the 4 18s. As far as mids go I can't upgrade more than that. The cd1e can be upgraded to the ultras but I am pretty sure the ultras are like 400 for the compression drivers alone ahha.

[Impious 1,476]

because horns rely on the acoustics of the car and how the sound rolls out of the horn to achieve it's efficiency that people assume will be achieved.

They must be mounted under the dash properly, otherwise.. it will loose efficiency if just ran wide open like any other speaker.

Mounting under the dash affects imaging and staging and frequency response at the listening position, not really the efficiency.

OP: What horns do you have currently? I find it hard to believe you wouldn't be able to obtain the output you are looking for out of a quality set of high efficiency HLCD considering a single pair would literally be able capable of deafening you. You said you want to step up to Ultra's, which leads me to believe you may have the older CD1e series? In which case yes, I would recommend you step up to an actual HLCD.

I was testing my stereo the other day, and with a 1khz test tone playing though my CD2Pro's at a rather uncomfortable listening level I was only getting about .15V out of the amplifier

[audiolife 14]

the new cd-1's are pretty loud and are not plastic. I wish I would have kept a set of horns. I have had cd1-E, cd-2 , cd-3 ultras, and some funky tads on a usd horn body.

use a horn right in this application you can just add mid bass (mid basses) and 1 or 2 pair of horn loaded super tweets crossed over at about 15k.

Edited April 13, 2010 by audiolife

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

because horns rely on the acoustics of the car and how the sound rolls out of the horn to achieve it's efficiency that people assume will be achieved.

They must be mounted under the dash properly, otherwise.. it will loose efficiency if just ran wide open like any other speaker.

Mounting under the dash affects imaging and staging and frequency response at the listening position, not really the efficiency.

OP: What horns do you have currently? I find it hard to believe you wouldn't be able to obtain the output you are looking for out of a quality set of high efficiency HLCD considering a single pair would literally be able capable of deafening you. You said you want to step up to Ultra's, which leads me to believe you may have the older CD1e series? In which case yes, I would recommend you step up to an actual HLCD.

I was testing my stereo the other day, and with a 1khz test tone playing though my CD2Pro's at a rather uncomfortable listening level I was only getting about .15V out of the amplifier

I really wish there was someone in my area using horns. I am VERY interested in getting a set for myself, but i have zero experience with them. They sound like exactly what the OP needs as well as for myself.

[jcarter1885 995]

because horns rely on the acoustics of the car and how the sound rolls out of the horn to achieve it's efficiency that people assume will be achieved.

They must be mounted under the dash properly, otherwise.. it will loose efficiency if just ran wide open like any other speaker.

Mounting under the dash affects imaging and staging and frequency response at the listening position, not really the efficiency.

OP: What horns do you have currently? I find it hard to believe you wouldn't be able to obtain the output you are looking for out of a quality set of high efficiency HLCD considering a single pair would literally be able capable of deafening you. You said you want to step up to Ultra's, which leads me to believe you may have the older CD1e series? In which case yes, I would recommend you step up to an actual HLCD.

I was testing my stereo the other day, and with a 1khz test tone playing though my CD2Pro's at a rather uncomfortable listening level I was only getting about .15V out of the amplifier

I really wish there was someone in my area using horns. I am VERY interested in getting a set for myself, but i have zero experience with them. They sound like exactly what the OP needs as well as for myself.

x2

[Lucky 76 5]

...... I have horns.