Getting license soon, any random ideas for stereo setup and design

[gadgeteer123 21]

i have beleived everything except the no rear speaker thing, im not saying its wrong in the proper setup but in my wagons stock speakers holes it doesnt sound anywhere as good as when I have the back speakers on.

With a sucky front setup, you're simply relying on the rears (which I assume are 6x9s) to make midbass in the 80-200Hz area.

With a good front setup, you'll never miss the rears.

Easy, right?

I don't know if you guys realized, but i did post this asking for suggestions to improve my car stereo setup for free, it does says I have no money in one of the posts in this topic. So why are you guys not even paying attention to what I asked and are suggesting deadener and new front speakers that will cost me a lot of money that I don't have and won't have for months.

[The enD 467]

Hell you can't even listen to your stereo because you need money for gas for the car to be running.

Come back when you have money, license and a car.

[gadgeteer123 21]

Well I get my license April 19th which is about 3-4 weeks away so, it won't be long, and then I can start looking for a job.

[The enD 467]

Come back when you have money and a car.

Fixed.

While you are waiting, keep on reading and look at peoples builds, and learn something.

[gadgeteer123 21]

I have been reading and I will continue to read, I check this site about 20 times a day. I post topics like this to help pass by the time, and to have something to talk about.

[abmoore 8]

Thanks, When i get my own car I plan on investing in some of the best SQ speakers for the front.

Just like your test for rears, you again completely missed the point. It ISN'T the speakers that make anything an SQ setup, but the installation. Exactly why your front / rear test failed.

Look up cancellation, interference on wiki. Read it. Make sure it is in reference to waves. Then ask a logical question regarding the interaction of the fronts and rears WHEN THEY PLAY THE SAME FREQUENCIES. If you truly read it, I doubt you'll even need clarification, but I guess you probably won't believe it either. After all it is just simple Physics.

Read the deadener page that was linked earlier as well. Hell read it 3x. Don't ask another deadening question or for clarification until you do. When you do ask, CITE what you don't understand or need more clarification on. You will be surprised at how much more helpful the answers will become when you spend 5 minutes doing some quick research first. That btw is the appropriate way to ask questions on a forum.

If you really want to know how I feel, try to join www.corner-carvers.com. READ their terms and conditions. A light bulb should go off on how to actually get help on a forum. That one is by far the best run forum thread wise I have ever been on.

Haha. I was waiting for that post to come.

[abmoore 8]

I have been reading and I will continue to read, I check this site about 20 times a day. I post topics like this to help pass by the time, and to have something to talk about.

Oh and do you believe the whole rear speaker arguement yet? Just curious. I am saving up for a new front stage and couldn't spend any money but still wanted a quick fix to help my quality. I kept my same front components, bridged my amp to them, took out the rears and sold them, cranked the gain all the way down, changed the mounting locations, and made my car sound 10 times better. Not only did I not spend anything, I made money. So trust me, these guys are good at what they do. OH, and I had to read many deadener links multiple times just to realize how little I now know about it. So like M5 is saying, keep reading.

[gadgeteer123 21]

I will try powering them with my amp but I cannot change there location which is on the dash pointing up towards the windshield, since its my moms car.

[Nirvalica 0]

i have beleived everything except the no rear speaker thing, im not saying its wrong in the proper setup but in my wagons stock speakers holes it doesnt sound anywhere as good as when I have the back speakers on.

With a sucky front setup, you're simply relying on the rears (which I assume are 6x9s) to make midbass in the 80-200Hz area.

With a good front setup, you'll never miss the rears.

Easy, right?

I thought deadener was to keep the sound inside, so are we just trying to soften it or repel the sound, cuz wouldn't house insulation absorb it, I have tons of that. But I am already saving for a new car, I plan to have my own car before the end of may so i will wait until I get a car and see how much money i got then for deadening it.

Deadener stops metal panels from vibrating and creating new sounds that aren't intended to be produced. A sound barrier would keep the sound in the car and outside sounds out of the car . Sound absorption will absorb sound in the car (think about those acoustic panels on studio walls). You don't really need the last two, sound deadener alone will make the music in the car sound better.

Wait...how do you link to SDS then completely ignore the rest of the info on Don's site? MLV coupled with CCF is the BEST way to block road noise. Deadener alone is not only a waste of time, money, weight, and effort but it's also wrong for everything but vibration dampening. If you're using deadener to block road noise, you're doing it wrong.

I think you quoted the wrong post...

[ryan s 12]

I have already read the deadener page

Then you should read it at least 3 more times as it hasn't even come close to sinking in.

MLV coupled with CCF is the BEST way to block road noise.

Well, lead sheets are better

The rest of your post was on target. And yes I realize that price performance of lead make it not so logical to use, so if you replace BEST with most logical we could call it all dead nuts.

Works for me

Although the improved resistance to small arms fire and radiation with lead would be kinda nice

I don't know if you guys realized, but i did post this asking for suggestions to improve my car stereo setup for free, it does says I have no money in one of the posts in this topic. So why are you guys not even paying attention to what I asked and are suggesting deadener and new front speakers that will cost me a lot of money that I don't have and won't have for months.

It's akin to asking "I want 400hp but I only have some stuff sitting around and can't buy anything else. Can it be done?"

I'm with you on the no money thing, but until you have a car you can do anything to, you don't have many options. That's just how it is

i have beleived everything except the no rear speaker thing, im not saying its wrong in the proper setup but in my wagons stock speakers holes it doesnt sound anywhere as good as when I have the back speakers on.

With a sucky front setup, you're simply relying on the rears (which I assume are 6x9s) to make midbass in the 80-200Hz area.

With a good front setup, you'll never miss the rears.

Easy, right?

I thought deadener was to keep the sound inside, so are we just trying to soften it or repel the sound, cuz wouldn't house insulation absorb it, I have tons of that. But I am already saving for a new car, I plan to have my own car before the end of may so i will wait until I get a car and see how much money i got then for deadening it.

Deadener stops metal panels from vibrating and creating new sounds that aren't intended to be produced. A sound barrier would keep the sound in the car and outside sounds out of the car . Sound absorption will absorb sound in the car (think about those acoustic panels on studio walls). You don't really need the last two, sound deadener alone will make the music in the car sound better.

Wait...how do you link to SDS then completely ignore the rest of the info on Don's site? MLV coupled with CCF is the BEST way to block road noise. Deadener alone is not only a waste of time, money, weight, and effort but it's also wrong for everything but vibration dampening. If you're using deadener to block road noise, you're doing it wrong.

I think you quoted the wrong post...

I might have...someone posted it...I can't remember

[gadgeteer123 21]

Thanks, When i get my own car I plan on investing in some of the best SQ speakers for the front.

Just like your test for rears, you again completely missed the point. It ISN'T the speakers that make anything an SQ setup, but the installation. Exactly why your front / rear test failed.

Look up cancellation, interference on wiki. Read it. Make sure it is in reference to waves. Then ask a logical question regarding the interaction of the fronts and rears WHEN THEY PLAY THE SAME FREQUENCIES. If you truly read it, I doubt you'll even need clarification, but I guess you probably won't believe it either. After all it is just simple Physics.

Read the deadener page that was linked earlier as well. Hell read it 3x. Don't ask another deadening question or for clarification until you do. When you do ask, CITE what you don't understand or need more clarification on. You will be surprised at how much more helpful the answers will become when you spend 5 minutes doing some quick research first. That btw is the appropriate way to ask questions on a forum.

If you really want to know how I feel, try to join www.corner-carvers.com. READ their terms and conditions. A light bulb should go off on how to actually get help on a forum. That one is by far the best run forum thread wise I have ever been on.

sorry to ask, but i did look that up on wiki, i'm not sure if I was able to find what u where exactly referring to but I read about cancellation and interference, and I already knew what it had listed about cancellation and I did learn a little on interference but how does this affect the difference in sound whether you have 2-4 speakers, because as i see it the rear speakers are 8 feet away from the front speakers so wont there frequency's arrive at a different time than the front which would make phase barely matter? I know the direction the speakers are facing matter but I can't do much to this car but I will make new holes for my own car. I believe you I just don't fully understand, I don't like to do something just because people say so, I want to fully understand as you do, and wiki didn't help me much. please enlighten me, since you are much more experienced.

[gadgeteer123 21]

so I have read a few very lengthy articles and I have learned a lot about placement, but I have read that having back speakers is harmless just as long as they are not as loud as the front speakers. I am still reading more articles but thats what I have learned so far.

[akrod2as 2]

so I have read a few very lengthy articles and I have learned a lot about placement, but I have read that having back speakers is harmless just as long as they are not as loud as the front speakers. I am still reading more articles but thats what I have learned so far.

Back speaker argument is just like has been said before. In a stock type setup all they do is provide rear fill/mid bass. In a properly setup stereo, there should be no speakers in the rear besides the subwoofers. And that's only because that's where they fit, in all honesty you can put a sub anywhere you damn well please as long as the enclosure is proper.

[gadgeteer123 21]

well for now i need the mid-bass fill until much later when i can afford good front speakers, plus i don't even know what kind of interior my next car is gonna have.

[Duran 387]

so I have read a few very lengthy articles and I have learned a lot about placement, but I have read that having back speakers is harmless just as long as they are not as loud as the front speakers. I am still reading more articles but thats what I have learned so far.

Then what is the point? There is no point in them in your situation, what do you need a rear fill for, you like to hear a musician singing behind you? Really? You need to think about this logically.

[gadgeteer123 21]

its for mid-bass fill, the article, suggested to disconnect the tweeters, but I'm just gonna turn them down, because for the time being, a xcon with 1600 watts and polk db 40rms 4x6 front speakers at the moment won't cut it for being able to hear the voices, I would love to put my 6x9's in the front but there is no room for them except maybe the kick panel but then i'd be afraid of them getting wrecked. and thats a lot of work for something that will only be for a few months.

[akrod2as 2]

6x9's are junk.

[Duran 387]

6x9's are junk.

Agreed. As well as 4x6's, 2x10's, 5x7's, and 6x8's.

[gadgeteer123 21]

ya, but there a ton better than my polk db 4x6's would you rather have 4x6 polk db or 6x9 polk momo

[gadgeteer123 21]

I'm not planning on buying any new speakers until I get a new car.

[akrod2as 2]

ya, but there a ton better than my polk db 4x6's would you rather have 4x6 polk db or 6x9 polk momo

I'd rather have a speaker that isn't an odd dimension.

[gadgeteer123 21]

ya, but this whole topic was about what improvements that I can do with what I already have and somehow it went elsewhere. Everyone is like replace this and that, but its my moms car so i can't custom anything, and I have no money because i'm saving for a car so I can't buy anything new.

[///M5 2,833]

sorry to ask, but i did look that up on wiki, i'm not sure if I was able to find what u where exactly referring to but I read about cancellation and interference, and I already knew what it had listed about cancellation and I did learn a little on interference but how does this affect the difference in sound whether you have 2-4 speakers, because as i see it the rear speakers are 8 feet away from the front speakers so wont there frequency's arrive at a different time than the front which would make phase barely matter? I know the direction the speakers are facing matter but I can't do much to this car but I will make new holes for my own car. I believe you I just don't fully understand, I don't like to do something just because people say so, I want to fully understand as you do, and wiki didn't help me much. please enlighten me, since you are much more experienced.

You obviously didn't read nor think enough. Distance has NOTHING to do with phase. 2 drivers playing the same frequencies will ALWAYS have destructive & constructive interference as they will NEVER be perfectly in phase. The key is again that for no interference to happen the signals must be in PERFECT phase. Any anomaly even a part of a degree will cause interference.

so I have read a few very lengthy articles and I have learned a lot about placement, but I have read that having back speakers is harmless just as long as they are not as loud as the front speakers. I am still reading more articles but thats what I have learned so far.

You read some turds for articles that weren't based on any facts, but someone trying to rationalize their position. I surely bet there were no formulas or math in those articles describing why things worked that way.

[gadgeteer123 21]

This is where I got most of my articles - Tutorials | Team Audionutz

[deernet 6]

ya, but this whole topic was about what improvements that I can do with what I already have and somehow it went elsewhere. Everyone is like replace this and that, but its my moms car so i can't custom anything, and I have no money because i'm saving for a car so I can't buy anything new.

Damn dude, you can't do anything with it, leave it alone. Your probably pissing off your mom by messing with her car anyways. Wait until you get a car, a job, and then money from said job, and come back. You can't do something with nothing.