Which amp is best for my xcon.

[Kanaworm$ 292]

Unless your looking for 10ths of a db on a TL meter for comps you will not audibly be able to tell the difference. Even though the Sundown is my choice. Also no such thing as "under powering" a subwoofer.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Unless your looking for 10ths of a db on a TL meter for comps you will not audibly be able to tell the difference. Even though the Sundown is my choice. Also no such thing as "under powering" a subwoofer.

[gadgeteer123 21]

Ok thank you, I get it now. Thanks for all your replies. i have one last question and then I am done bugging you guys. Why is it that my exact same subwoofer, with the same amp, sounded better off of my cadillac's 140 amp alternator, than it did off of my wagons 85 amp, is it the the difference between sedan and wagon or, is it the alternator, I dont think a sedan with tons of insulation between the trunk and cabin would sound better than a open wagon. Thanks

[jcarter1885 995]

It has to do with the car's having two different type's of cabin gain and frequency resonance, plus the altrenator was bigger giving your amp more power (either one of those or all of those played a factor into the sound difference). Putting a setup in one car and then another car will yield different results all the time.

[gadgeteer123 21]

Ok thank you, so It shall sound better when I get a cadillac again, I plan on buying the slightly bigger model than I had before, same era i'm just switching from seville to deville, which makes it a longer, roomier car.

[gadgeteer123 21]

Bro, obviously the Sundown is a better amp. But seriously, you are not going to hear any difference between the BXi1600 and the SAZ-1500. The amp you have is fine for that sub. All you need to do, as I told you in your other thread, is learn to set you gains properly. A 1600 watt amp should have no problem running on a stock alternator and a good battery under the hood, so I have no idea why you are thinking that spending a couple hundred on a high output alternator is going to make it sound any better. I'm not trying to down you here bro, but I just think your confused is all. You have had quite a few people tell you the same thing I just did, but apparently you haven't been given the answer you where looking for, so you keep asking the same question in a different way. Bottom line is, no matter how many times you ask the question, the answer is still the same. Believe me, I have done what you are doing.

If you would like to spend alot of xtra money for no reason, by all means buy the Sundown. But you have to understand, there will be no audible difference between the two. You do not have to give a sub it's exact rms to get great sound and output from it. And your electrical should be sufficient. Now, it obviously never hurts to upgrade electrical, but don't expect your sub to sound 10 times better just cause you put a $300 alt in your car. Please, just listen to the answer when you ask a question. Don't waste time trying to prove them wrong, or find a loophole that proves your situation is special or different so what they have to say doesn't apply to you. Just take it for what it is and put the information to good use.

Bottom line is, if you want to spend alot of money on these upgrades you think you need, shoot me a pm and by all means I will help you find the best deal out there to get what you are looking for. But, if you want to accept some advice and make what you already have sound great then listen to what people are trying to tell. Honestly, these guys have nothing to gain by steering you in the wrong direction or giving you false information.

Now, they have told you that box is fine for your sub, so that is good. Sounds to me like you just need to do a thorough check on your wiring and make sure it is all up to par. Then, take the time to learn how to set your gain, sub-sonic filter, and low pass filter. Here is a start:

Now, I wish you the best of luck in whatever you choose to do. And please don't think I'm picking on you, I was in your shoes not to long ago and I'm just trying to save you the trouble I went thru. Do yourself a favor and listen to what these good people are telling you.

Hey thank you for the image up there , I asked for that awhile ago and now I have one, I do have a commercial multimeter.

Edited January 25, 2010 by Small Town Audiophile

[deathcloud 6]

I used to always try to do what u did. The first time that it finally clicked in my brain was when I saw a chart and it broke it down. A sub can handle 750 rms BUT that doesn't mean you need to throw 600rms. I used to think OH I HAVE TO GIVE MY SUB 600 RMS OR IT WILL BREAK OMFGMZMOMZOGM. But then in my other phorum they said you can get the same output by throwing only 300rms to the same sub that can HANDLE 600rms. Point is, you don't need to always give the sub full power to get its full potential. I had a sub amp that put 600rms to my 600rms sub. Then I got a amp that gives 400rms to my 600rms sub. And I couldn't tell the difference. It actually sounded the same. Got as loud as the other amp. And the 400rms amp is less stressful on my electrical. Win/Win situation.

The only way you can hurt your amp/sub is from clipping and of course over powering your sub for long amounts of time. Set your gains right and give your amp a steady voltage and you will be fine.

Hope this helps. It may take some hammering in your head but overtime it will make sense.

[gadgeteer123 21]

Ok, please please don't bash me on this, I realize what you guys are saying now, I just want your guys opinion on this amp Cadence ZRS-7500D Someone on another forum told me to get it I just want opinions.

Edited January 25, 2010 by Small Town Audiophile

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Ok, please please don't bash me on this, I realize what you guys are saying now, I just want your guys opinion on this amp Cadence ZRS-7500D Someone on another forum told me to get it I just want opinions.

Let me guess, CarAudioForum?

[gadgeteer123 21]

How did you guess?

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

How did you guess?

Been a member there for years, and after JasonPaul joined up (while he was still working at Cadence) a number of people got some killer close out deals on Cadence amps on there. Since then, regardless of application, the majority of the more frequent posting members suggest Cadence. Yeah I am sure someone will say that about Sundown here, but there are far more high post count members that don't run Sundown then the few that do.

[Kanaworm$ 292]

Just to add to what jay-cee said a stronger electrical will yield more output from your amp.

Also I have found from past experience that a trunk loaded subwoofer system plays lower as the seat can act like a filter. A hatch or suv will play low as well but seems to sound louder to the ear due to less restrictions.

[gadgeteer123 21]

So what amp are there, besides sundown that are really good, I know sundown is a good product but I like to have my choices, and so far the only answer I have gotten was get sundown and forget maxxsonics, but what about everyone else.

[Kanaworm$ 292]

Ok, please please don't bash me on this, I realize what you guys are saying now, I just want your guys opinion on this amp Cadence ZRS-7500D Someone on another forum told me to get it I just want opinions.

Price of that amp?

Looks to be a decent amplifier.

I have no experience with Cadence so I can't honestly say good or bad!

[Kanaworm$ 292]

So what amp are there, besides sundown that are really good, I know sundown is a good product but I like to have my choices, and so far the only answer I have gotten was get sundown and forget maxxsonics, but what about everyone else.

American Bass VFL, Digital Designs & Audioque to name a few.

[gadgeteer123 21]

I Liked the DDM2a ratings, and reviews, but it looked to be extremely expensive, I don't plan on buying a amp now, but when I get the money many months from now, i'd like to be ready to buy what is best for me.

[jcarter1885 995]

When it comes to amps you need to buy one that will suit your needs, either you can get one so you dont have to up your electrical ouput or you have to make a decision if you do get a powerful amp that you will have to upgrade your electrical. So after making that decision then set a budget for your amp and find one that fits your goals, its that simple. You can even get a 2000watt amp or better, no problem with having headroom as long as you set your gains right. But first set goals for your system and then make decisions on an amp that will help you reach that goal.

[gadgeteer123 21]

I already plan on installing a 200 amp alternator, and 0 gauge wire. I just need a amp that is less than $300 the sundown is the most expensive I will potentially buy.

[DAM 1]

I know it may be more than enough for most people, but I want the xcon to be used to its full potential.

It doesn't need 2,000 watts to "reach its fill potential"

That's a moronic way of thinking.You sound like Steve Mea[)e

why do you have steve's name in you mouth????

[Duran 387]

I know it may be more than enough for most people, but I want the xcon to be used to its full potential.

It doesn't need 2,000 watts to "reach its fill potential"

That's a moronic way of thinking.You sound like Steve Mea[)e

why do you have steve's name in you mouth????

I got into an argument with him about BTL's, he said it NEEDS 2,000 watts to get loud. I said no.

[playmysong 2]

I know it may be more than enough for most people, but I want the xcon to be used to its full potential.

It doesn't need 2,000 watts to "reach its fill potential"

That's a moronic way of thinking.You sound like Steve Mea[)e

why do you have steve's name in you mouth????

I got into an argument with him about BTL's, he said it NEEDS 2,000 watts to get loud. I said no.

That's because they need 4500 watts to get loud. 18000 divided by 4. Seems reasonable enough. jk

[///M5 2,833]

I already plan on installing a 200 amp alternator, and 0 gauge wire. I just need a amp that is less than $300 the sundown is the most expensive I will potentially buy.

why would you spend money on an alternator and everything else and then limit your amp purchase to $300?? Ass backwards IMO. You really NEED to stop making this vs that threads, not only are the super annoying but they also will NOT help you reach your audio nirvana. To get there you need to make a thread that fits the T&C's you agreed to and let us help you with your whole system at once, this piece meal crap you are trying clogs up the forum and gives you crappy answers. Stop it.

I know it may be more than enough for most people, but I want the xcon to be used to its full potential.

It doesn't need 2,000 watts to "reach its fill potential"

That's a moronic way of thinking.You sound like Steve Mea[)e

why do you have steve's name in you mouth????

I got into an argument with him about BTL's, he said it NEEDS 2,000 watts to get loud. I said no.

He's a fuckin retard so that isn't surprising.

[Mahna Mahna 1]

why would you spend money on an alternator and everything else and then limit your amp purchase to $300?? Ass backwards IMO. You really NEED to stop making this vs that threads, not only are the super annoying but they also will NOT help you reach your audio nirvana. To get there you need to make a thread that fits the T&C's you agreed to and let us help you with your whole system at once, this piece meal crap you are trying clogs up the forum and gives you crappy answers. Stop it.

Decaf anyone.....

[Notorious97200 339]

Sorry OP, but I did not understand why you want a big alternator like that.

You should 1) use a 1500 watts (Sundown ?!!) amp and a good battery, if yours is too weak.

2)Do the Big3. Watch your voltmeter (must have one in the car, not in the trunk).

3)If you get too much voltage drop, then you will think about upgrading something (second battery, HO alt,...???)

[gadgeteer123 21]

Well, I do not have a job, and a sundown for $around $500 is to much for now, when an alternator for less than $200 is much easier, and the fact that when I had 0 gauge wire the voltage would drop to 12 volts, because cadillacs have heated seats, and other things that drain power. The alternator in thos cars are 140 amps and the amplifier draws about 170 amps plus my 4 channel amp drawing power to.