SAZ-1500D or AP30001D?

[BryanTheCEO 59]

I have to choose between the SAZ-1500d or a Audiopipe AP30001D. I know the build quality is better on the SAZ, but I believe I will get more output from the AP. My electrical is a stock 140 amp alternator in a dodge magnum and a extra battery (NSB90). I need to power a pair of Fi Q15's. Being unbiased, which amp would better suit my setup? I wanted to give the subs 1k watts each... I was used to 150+ because I was running 4 Q15's on an IA40.1, but now I am just going to run two, but want to lose as little output as possible.

Oh yeah, the Q's are both dual 1 ohm w/ no extras.

Thanks for your assistance.

Edited January 23, 2010 by gHOstFaCe

[crownvicon24's 0]

I have to choose between the SAZ-1500d or a Audiopipe AP30001D. I know the build quality is better on the SAZ, but I believe I will get more output from the AP. My electrical is a stock 140 amp alternator in a dodge magnum and a extra battery (NSB90). I need to power a pair of Fi Q15's. Being unbiased, which amp would better suit my setup? I wanted to give the subs 1k watts each... I was used to 150+ because I was running 4 Q15's on an IA40.1, but now I am just going to run two, but want to lose as little output as possible.

Oh yeah, the Q's are both dual 1 ohm w/ no extras.

Thanks for your assistance.

With the audiopipe being 2 ohm stable. How would you wire 2 dual 1's to a 2 ohm load mono or 1 ohm per channel parallel? You could do 2 ohms per channel on the audiopipe, but I think the sundown would put out more power at 1 ohm than the audiopipe wired at 2 ohms per channel. I would get the sundown and run it at 1 ohm.

Edited January 23, 2010 by crownvicon24's

[JPagan1993 0]

With the audiopipe being 2 ohm stable. How would you wire 2 dual 1's to a 2 ohm load mono or 1 ohm per channel parallel? You could do 2 ohms per channel on the audiopipe, but I think the sundown would put out more power at 1 ohm than the audiopipe wired at 2 ohms per channel. I would get the sundown and run it at 1 ohm.

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[shizzzon 461]

yea but running the audiopipe @4ohm is gonna be pretty efficient.

I've metered one of those amps before and was gettin just a little over 1240w @7.2ohms and a little over 1450w @6.3ohms.

I'd love to have gotten the load down around 4 but didnt have time.

[BryanTheCEO 59]

yea but running the audiopipe @4ohm is gonna be pretty efficient.

I've metered one of those amps before and was gettin just a little over 1240w @7.2ohms and a little over 1450w @6.3ohms.

I'd love to have gotten the load down around 4 but didnt have time.

I thought the AP was 1 ohm stable... It says that they are rated at 3000k @ 1 ohm. My thought was that even if they are overrated, I could still get over 2k rms with imp rise...

What type of actual power should I expect from a SAZ-1500D. I have read both that they are underrated and that they are rated to the specs...

Edited January 23, 2010 by gHOstFaCe

[shizzzon 461]

well, power wise, they will put out about the same power. I'm just sayin that at 4 ohm, the audiopipe amp is gonna be less stressful on electrical system. It may only be 1-5% more efficient but every little bit helps.

[Kanaworm$ 292]

Personally I would choose the Sundown!

[thebiggmann12 14]

yea but running the audiopipe @4ohm is gonna be pretty efficient.

I've metered one of those amps before and was gettin just a little over 1240w @7.2ohms and a little over 1450w @6.3ohms.

I'd love to have gotten the load down around 4 but didnt have time.

I thought the AP was 1 ohm stable... It says that they are rated at 3000k @ 1 ohm. My thought was that even if they are overrated, I could still get over 2k rms with imp rise...

What type of actual power should I expect from a SAZ-1500D. I have read both that they are underrated and that they are rated to the specs...

the ap3000d is stable at 1 ohm per channel, and it will put out 1500 watts per channel or 3000 watts briged together at 2 ohms and puts out 3000 at 2 ohms

[BryanTheCEO 59]

well, power wise, they will put out about the same power. I'm just sayin that at 4 ohm, the audiopipe amp is gonna be less stressful on electrical system. It may only be 1-5% more efficient but every little bit helps.

lol, I'm a tard... I was thinking that the AP was mono block...

So technically, I could run 1 sub per channel @ 2 ohm on the AP and get about 1000 watt RMS, right? Can the 1500D push near 2k @ 1 ohm?

[The enD 467]

I thought the AP was 1 ohm stable... It says that they are rated at 3000k @ 1 ohm. My thought was that even if they are overrated, I could still get over 2k rms with imp rise...

What type of actual power should I expect from a SAZ-1500D. I have read both that they are underrated and that they are rated to the specs...

What prices are you looking at for both amps? If you are comparing 1500D to 3000D then their prices are identical right? Have you looked for some second hand saz1500D? I've seen some for 300$. I don't know how much is AudioPipe but you can find some good amps for cheap.

Look here for actual power : SSA Car Audio Forum -> Sundown Technical

[BryanTheCEO 59]

I thought the AP was 1 ohm stable... It says that they are rated at 3000k @ 1 ohm. My thought was that even if they are overrated, I could still get over 2k rms with imp rise...

What type of actual power should I expect from a SAZ-1500D. I have read both that they are underrated and that they are rated to the specs...

What prices are you looking at for both amps? If you are comparing 1500D to 3000D then their prices are identical right? Have you looked for some second hand saz1500D? I've seen some for 300$. I don't know how much is AudioPipe but you can find some good amps for cheap.

Look here for actual power : SSA Car Audio Forum -> Sundown Technical

These are the trade offers for my IA 40.1, which needs to be repaired.

I read that page before. If those are accurate marks, then the AP is a more powerful amp, unless I am reading wrong.

[The enD 467]

The AP is more powerful cause you are comparing 1.5kW to 3kW amp ??

[shizzzon 461]

no, sundown does around 1600w@1ohm and the ap does hair over 2000w @4ohm

U can wire to both of those configurations.

Do not choose based on power alone because u will not hear the difference.

[crownvicon24's 0]

On the other hand they probably would do around the same power (audiopipe @ 4ohms, sundown @ 1 ohm). As mentioned in another thread the audiopipe would be more efficient @ 4 ohms, thus easier on the electrical. You would have room to upgrade ( drop the audiopipe to 2 ohms). I change my vote to audiopipe.

[BryanTheCEO 59]

The AP is more powerful cause you are comparing 1.5kW to 3kW amp ??

I know what they are rated on paper. I am asking, because I know alot of lower quality brands, do not put out what they say they will. I wanted to make sure that I choose the amp with the better RMS value and performance per my needs/wants... So I KNOW what I was comparing. I just need clarification on the actual output.

no, sundown does around 1600w@1ohm and the ap does hair over 2000w @4ohm

U can wire to both of those configurations.

Do not choose based on power alone because u will not hear the difference.

Thank you, that was what I was looking for. Maybe not hear the difference, but what about on a meter? Also, running the AP at 4 ohm would be easier on my system so I may just go with that. Plus, the trade for the AP is local, so no shipping needs to be paid or involved.

[shizzzon 461]

do some research on those ap amps. They are being used everywhere, plenty of reviews about them.

One of my local friends even has one and even i love it and don't own it, lol.

[Raymond Farmer 4]

do some research on those ap amps. They are being used everywhere, plenty of reviews about them.

One of my local friends even has one and even i love it and don't own it, lol.

I dont know much about audiopipe amps, but I would like to say, a higher ohm load does not always mean more effeciency. You would have to do a current draw test to see which is more effecient. Example: 100 amp current draw gives off 900 watts @ 4 ohms; another amp with a 100 amp current draw gives off 900 watts at 2 ohms, which is more efficient. They are the same, when one amp is not 2 or 1 ohm stable. Now if the 4 ohm amp is not 2 ohm stable it cant give you more power. Now with both amps having the same current draw and the 4 ohm amp gives you 950 watts and the 2 ohms amp gives you 850 then you can say the 4 ohm amp is more efficient. Basically you have to compare amps input to its output, of amps in the SAME POWER CLASS to say which is more effecient! Or check voltage drops and power output, but the box rise have to be consistant with both amps.

Edited January 24, 2010 by Team Man-Up (Ray)

[sundownz 197]

I'm really not that impressed with how the AP amps are put together... I've had samples of everything that factory puts out since 2006 and none of it compares in quality to what I'm selling.

If it did I'd be selling it since it is ALOT cheaper to make.

[shizzzon 461]

i do agree with sundownz, my impression clearly isn't debated on quality.. that should be a given on which is of higher class,