carbon fiber will it hold up

[Rozon420 0]

just broke off the spoiler on my 93 civic hatch with the bass, even caught it on tape. wondering if a new carbon fiber wing will last longer or if it will just break faster?

[oxsign 1]

When you say "broke" do you mean like in half or the bolt just pulled out?

Also, vid or it didn't happen, lol.

[Rozon420 0]

When you say "broke" do you mean like in half or the bolt just pulled out?

Also, vid or it didn't happen, lol.

lol fair enough

but the spoiler broke around the bolts. the bolts still have the plastic under them and are still tight it seems like it needs washers to spread the load, but i dont think it comes apart.

[topgun 262]

Depends on how its made. Or just run the volume down.

[Rozon420 0]

Depends on how its made. Or just run the volume down.

what do you mean by how its made?

[johnecon2001 82]

Or.. since its a Civic and you'll never reach speeds at where the spoiler will actually be beneficial... you could just not put another one on.

[ABXX49 20]

Or.. since its a Civic and you'll never reach speeds at where the spoiler will actually be beneficial... you could just not put another one on.

hehhehe

OR you could turn the volume down.

[Duran 387]

Or.. since its a Civic and you'll never reach speeds at where the spoiler will actually be beneficial... you could just not put another one on.

hehhehe

OR you could turn the volume down.

How about both?

[///M5 2,833]

Civic needs a spoiler about as much as you need a fur coat when it is 80 outside. Gaudy and tacky for no reason. Just leave it off.

If you must rice your ride then either turn down the bass or dampen the vibrations so it won't do it again.

[eCrack 0]

Civic needs a spoiler about as much as you need a fur coat when it is 80 outside. Gaudy and tacky for no reason. Just leave it off.

If you must rice your ride then either turn down the bass or dampen the vibrations so it won't do it again.

Agreed. Get rid of the spoiler because it looks really bad and get some sound dampening material. Flex videos are very uninteresting and show how little the user knows about what it takes to create high pressure in the cabin of a vehicle.

I would also recomment getting rid of two of those subs and having a better box built. That one is janky as hell and couldn't possibly have enough volume to provide a semi flat response.

Edited January 19, 2010 by eCrack

[Rozon420 0]

Or.. since its a Civic and you'll never reach speeds at where the spoiler will actually be beneficial... you could just not put another one on.

this car does go to the track and a spoiler is very much needed when there is no system in the back.

[Rozon420 0]

Civic needs a spoiler about as much as you need a fur coat when it is 80 outside. Gaudy and tacky for no reason. Just leave it off.

If you must rice your ride then either turn down the bass or dampen the vibrations so it won't do it again.

Agreed. Get rid of the spoiler because it looks really bad and get some sound dampening material. Flex videos are very uninteresting and show how little the user knows about what it takes to create high pressure in the cabin of a vehicle.

I would also recomment getting rid of two of those subs and having a better box built. That one is janky as hell and couldn't possibly have enough volume to provide a semi flat response.

i need a spoiler for the track for when there is no system in the back not to rice but to stick to the road as this is not just an average rice mobile. and the box is already 2 cuft larger then recommended. and everything from the doors back is dampened with aircraft sound barrier from my local airport.

[Gioia69 30]

honda civic and race track should not be used in the same sentence lmao. you dont need a spoiler unless your doing 130-140+ mph. and im not going to give your japanese car the benefit of the doubt, i dont think your ricer runs that fast. and if it does go that fast, you should buy a real wing instead of rocking the stock spoiler. that little stock spoiler probably isnt doing you any good to begin with to be honest.

EDIT: and to actually answer your question, if the wing itself just separated from your car, then that probably has nothing to do with the wing. its probably the bolt or bracket or w/e has it mounted on the car. so buying a higher quality wing probably wont solve your problem.

Edited January 20, 2010 by Gioia69

[Rozon420 0]

honda civic and race track should not be used in the same sentence lmao. you dont need a spoiler unless your doing 130-140+ mph. and im not going to give your japanese car the benefit of the doubt, i dont think your ricer runs that fast. and if it does go that fast, you should buy a real wing instead of rocking the stock spoiler. that little stock spoiler probably isnt doing you any good to begin with to be honest.

EDIT: and to actually answer your question, if the wing itself just separated from your car, then that probably has nothing to do with the wing. its probably the bolt or bracket or w/e has it mounted on the car. so buying a higher quality wing probably wont solve your problem.

you can hate my honda all you want it makes no difference i know what i need at the track. i would not be getting the same wing althought it does mount to the same location. basically all i want to know is has anyone broke any carbon fiber peices with bass or the result of bass flex?

[Duran 387]

honda civic and race track should not be used in the same sentence lmao. you dont need a spoiler unless your doing 130-140+ mph. and im not going to give your japanese car the benefit of the doubt, i dont think your ricer runs that fast. and if it does go that fast, you should buy a real wing instead of rocking the stock spoiler. that little stock spoiler probably isnt doing you any good to begin with to be honest.

EDIT: and to actually answer your question, if the wing itself just separated from your car, then that probably has nothing to do with the wing. its probably the bolt or bracket or w/e has it mounted on the car. so buying a higher quality wing probably wont solve your problem.

you can hate my honda all you want it makes no difference i know what i need at the track. i would not be getting the same wing althought it does mount to the same location. basically all i want to know is has anyone broke any carbon fiber peices with bass or the result of bass flex?

You're going to run into the same problem. You didn't break the actual spoiler you broke the spoiler mount. Changing the material the spoiler is made of will NOT be beneficial. Carbon fiber is EXTREMELY strong, you probably wouldn;t break a normal fiberglass spoiler either though.

Rethink this whole situation and attack where you actually have a problem. Reinforce the spoiler mount and you won't have a problem.

[johnecon2001 82]

You do realize the stock spoiler provides no downforce, correct? Stop saying you need it at the track, you never even had it at the track. Get some better tires and learn how to drive.

[Rozon420 0]

You do realize the stock spoiler provides no downforce, correct? Stop saying you need it at the track, you never even had it at the track. Get some better tires and learn how to drive.

yes i realize that the stock spoiler does not give any down force, but i will be needed some as i know other racers that require them as well and i have felt the difference. i have brand new tires for the summer and more then enough experience driving. all i have been asking is for opinions on the strength and resilence of carbon fiber, i could really care less if you think i need a spoiler or that my car isnt fast enough. please all i need is your opinions on carbon fiber. let me guess you guys all love v8s right?

[eCrack 0]

You do realize the stock spoiler provides no downforce, correct? Stop saying you need it at the track, you never even had it at the track. Get some better tires and learn how to drive.

yes i realize that the stock spoiler does not give any down force, but i will be needed some as i know other racers that require them as well and i have felt the difference. i have brand new tires for the summer and more then enough experience driving. all i have been asking is for opinions on the strength and resilence of carbon fiber, i could really care less if you think i need a spoiler or that my car isnt fast enough. please all i need is your opinions on carbon fiber. let me guess you guys all love v8s right?

So let me get this straight, the tiny bit of downforce an actual spoiler might have given you is more important to you than acceleration? The weight of your box, subs, and amp HAVE to be an extra hundred pounds or so. Someone who was really worried about racing would want as little weight in the car as possible to improve acceleration and handling. You're very contradictory. If you like the LOOKS of the spoiler that's fine... fix the mount but don't keep telling us it's about racing. It's clearly not.

[kirill007 52]

Offtopic: Could you guys stop with the offtopic, ny the way eCrack at a racetrack you're more benificial with better handling then a bit more accelaration.

And he said that he doesn't has the system in the car on the track.

Who actually tested if a difference will be fealt when you remove the spoiler or keep it on, probably most or all of you guys haven't driven a civic.

Ontopic:

The carbon fiber spoiler will probably last longer and if it has a better mount then it would probably not break at all.

You should also use some second skin damplifier on you're hatch so it flexes less, the sound barrier doesn't does alot to keep flex down.

You need the weight and strenght of a good dampening material like second skin damplifier (pro).

[TRP 42]

yes it does not seem like the spoiler itself broke, just the mounting point as said earlier. But i would not believe that a CF spoiler, or really even a Fiberglass for that fact would be broken by your system, just not enough force to actually break it. But that comes with no scientific basis at all!!!

And to everyone who says he doesnt need a spoiler, he was not asking your opinion if you think it would be beneficial or visually appeasing, just if you think the bass could actually break a spoiler. Also just because its a honda does not mean it cant compete on the track! But that is not the topic in question, so lets leave it alone.

[eCrack 0]

Offtopic: Could you guys stop with the offtopic, ny the way eCrack at a racetrack you're more benificial with better handling then a bit more accelaration.

And he said that he doesn't has the system in the car on the track.

Oh ok. I must have misunderstood. I could have sworn he said the spoiler was beneficial "when the system wasn't in". I took that to mean sometimes it was when racing and other times it wasn't. Thanks for clearing that up. Also, I have never raced so I didn't realize better handling was more beneficial than acceleration because I thought better acceleration would allow the driver to brake more and make the turn and then make up for the lost velocity with superior acceleration. I see your point though. I'd much rather not have to brake as much as everyone else causing wrecks and pileups and damaging my car. I wonder though, if a few vibrations could knock the mount loose, how much force could it have really been applying to the back tires?

[kirill007 52]

Oh ok. I must have misunderstood. I could have sworn he said the spoiler was beneficial "when the system wasn't in". I took that to mean sometimes it was when racing and other times it wasn't. Thanks for clearing that up. Also, I have never raced so I didn't realize better handling was more beneficial than acceleration because I thought better acceleration would allow the driver to brake more and make the turn and then make up for the lost velocity with superior acceleration. I see your point though. I'd much rather not have to brake as much as everyone else causing wrecks and pileups and damaging my car. I wonder though, if a few vibrations could knock the mount loose, how much force could it have really been applying to the back tires?

If the spoiler get's pushed down, it just pushes down onto the car, not flexing up and down and left to right.

If you try to get a nail out it's harder to push it right out, then twist it a little bit and move it.

EDIT:If the spoiler is tight enough, it won't rock, it starts rocking because the woofers kind of shake the bolts loose.

I'm not definding spoilers on low speed ricer's, i'm just saying how it comes that a spoiler can get loose or break.

Back ontopic.

Edited January 21, 2010 by kirill007

[eCrack 0]

Oh ok. I must have misunderstood. I could have sworn he said the spoiler was beneficial "when the system wasn't in". I took that to mean sometimes it was when racing and other times it wasn't. Thanks for clearing that up. Also, I have never raced so I didn't realize better handling was more beneficial than acceleration because I thought better acceleration would allow the driver to brake more and make the turn and then make up for the lost velocity with superior acceleration. I see your point though. I'd much rather not have to brake as much as everyone else causing wrecks and pileups and damaging my car. I wonder though, if a few vibrations could knock the mount loose, how much force could it have really been applying to the back tires?

If the spoiler get's pushed down, it just pushes down onto the car, not flexing up and down and left to right.

If you try to get a nail out it's harder to push it right out, then twist it a little bit and move it.

Back ontopic.

The topic has been covered, answered etc so there will probably be no more "on topic" discussion. Now it's just you defending ricer low speed spoilers. Spoilers are there to catch air moving past it, force the air over it thus causing downward force. The problem with your theory is, the force is not applied straight down. It is applied at an angle equal and opposite to the spoiler. This means if the mount is weak/loose that any significant amount of air pushing on it will rock the spoiler causing it to give, leaning back and not catching as much air. It renders it useless. I understand that you think loose spoilers can help the handling of these ricers who don't reach 100mph. You are clearly mistaken, but I welcome your next "off-topic" rebuttal.

Edited January 21, 2010 by eCrack

[Rozon420 0]

honda civic and race track should not be used in the same sentence lmao. you dont need a spoiler unless your doing 130-140+ mph. and im not going to give your japanese car the benefit of the doubt, i dont think your ricer runs that fast. and if it does go that fast, you should buy a real wing instead of rocking the stock spoiler. that little stock spoiler probably isnt doing you any good to begin with to be honest.

EDIT: and to actually answer your question, if the wing itself just separated from your car, then that probably has nothing to do with the wing. its probably the bolt or bracket or w/e has it mounted on the car. so buying a higher quality wing probably wont solve your problem.

you can hate my honda all you want it makes no difference i know what i need at the track. i would not be getting the same wing althought it does mount to the same location. basically all i want to know is has anyone broke any carbon fiber peices with bass or the result of bass flex?

You're going to run into the same problem. You didn't break the actual spoiler you broke the spoiler mount. Changing the material the spoiler is made of will NOT be beneficial. Carbon fiber is EXTREMELY strong, you probably wouldn;t break a normal fiberglass spoiler either though.

Rethink this whole situation and attack where you actually have a problem. Reinforce the spoiler mount and you won't have a problem.

well im gonna mak a quick video to show you guys exactly what it all looks like.

[Rozon420 0]

here a vid of what everything looks like.

the bolts ripped right through the steel.