Settings for the MLI 6.5

[dubbreak 4]

Great post. I agree for sure on the SEAS. I have them and ran them comfortably down to 2000hz often. A few people have mentioned they did not like the off axis response, but I did not try mine out in enough different locations to form a strong opinion on off axis.

Judging by the graphs alone you'd have to be running those pretty far off axis to notice the top end droop. Actually for a 1" tweeter they look pretty decent as far as off axis response goes. 30 degrees looks fine (little bit of a droop but it's above 10K). 60 looks like it'd be noticeably missing some top end sparkle, but that's pretty far off axis.

Some cheap tweeters have a lift in their top end to compensate for being used off axis. Of course you wouldn't want to run those on axis without addressing the topend lift. I have some cheap peerless that do that.

[deathcloud 6]

So after reading all of this I want to try doing the MLI65 and the seas 27tff.

All this would be essentially done on a sax100.4

This looks like a good combo. Hopefully from my understanding I would set on the amp for the tweeters on the front channel hpf 2500

Then for the MLIs I would go to the rear channel and set the LPF at 2500 (put it at 250 and hit the x10 button) then on the deck go to rear and set the HPF at 60 hz

Then for my sub of course LPF 60 hz

Hopefully this makes sense and I am able to do it. I remember seeing ///M5 say you have to have external accesories or great headunit but I think it is possible with my headunit and sax 100.4

my deck is a kenwood excelon 592

Will this sound better than my phoenix gold components 6.5

I want to do active but have always been too scared to come to the dark side.

[deathcloud 6]

oh and audioman21, since you have 2 sets of the MLI and they are saying only use 1 set of the MLIs, would you consider selling me 1 of the sets you have? I want to get a set of those.

Let me know.

Thanks

[audioman21 0]

I just have the one set, i was asking if I should grab another and they said no. Theres a post in this section that has an email to still get Mach 5 products.

[///M5 2,833]

Will a large format tweeter work? (ie 3-4" diameter)

You never answered this question. If you can, then no way would I run the little Seas...

As for can you with your headunit and amp. You "can", but you won't have the control to really knock things into place. Conveniently for you though you picked a midrange that is very easy to tame so as long as your install is reasonable it should work out at least as good as a component set and has the potential to be even better.

[deathcloud 6]

Thanks ///M5 thats what I wanted to hear. I can't wait to try it out. I just hope I don't try it out and then say "fut now I need a new deck!" or something lol. But I am excited to see what it sounds like.

My future plans are

second skin all 4 doors, cabin, and trunk.

get a kinetik HC1400 for the trunk

then get mli65 and the 1" textile dome tweeter of the seas 27tff

should be pretty good.

audioman thanks for the heads up i will look into emailing him to get some.

[audioman21 0]

I haven't heard them yet but just by looks and other reviews they are stout for what they are.

[eggyhustles 33]

Those mach 5 mids can play up to 2k? didn't even know that..

[///M5 2,833]

Thanks ///M5 thats what I wanted to hear. I can't wait to try it out. I just hope I don't try it out and then say "fut now I need a new deck!" or something lol. But I am excited to see what it sounds like.

My future plans are

second skin all 4 doors, cabin, and trunk.

get a kinetik HC1400 for the trunk

then get mli65 and the 1" textile dome tweeter of the seas 27tff

should be pretty good.

audioman thanks for the heads up i will look into emailing him to get some.

Do yourself a favor and shop at SDS (link in my sig) instead of Second Skin. Better product, better advice, and an owner I respect a ton.

Those mach 5 mids can play up to 2k? didn't even know that..

Just because you are using a tweeter that will play down to something doesn't mean that the mid plays up to it. In a car underlapping is usually the right solution.

[eggyhustles 33]

I still have alottt to learn

i was forced to go with a 3 way since the sls 8 gets a lil muddy after 350

[dubbreak 4]

Those mach 5 mids can play up to 2k? didn't even know that..

Look at the FR and harmonic distortion and decide for yourself. Nearly no breakup. 3rd order harmonic distortion isn't the best but it's pretty good (and it drops above 2k). 2500hz is probably the best match for a decent tweeter, but you could easily run them higher imho.

[deathcloud 6]

Cool thanks for all the info guys. I am just excited to get started in the realm of running active. It is starting to make a lot more sense. And the only downside is I have to wire everything over. but that doesn't matter to me if it means better sound/output. also I am going to do what everyone else said and run the rears off of the deck and not get another amp for them. eff the people in the back seat hahaha.

[///M5 2,833]

I still have alottt to learn

i was forced to go with a 3 way since the sls 8 gets a lil muddy after 350

Even that is too high. What processing are you going to use and how do you plan to choose your settings?

Those mach 5 mids can play up to 2k? didn't even know that..

Look at the FR and harmonic distortion and decide for yourself. Nearly no breakup. 3rd order harmonic distortion isn't the best but it's pretty good (and it drops above 2k). 2500hz is probably the best match for a decent tweeter, but you could easily run them higher imho.

In practice, I wouldn't. Conveniently you can easily underlap the transition from the mid to the tweeter though so it really doesn't matter.

Cool thanks for all the info guys. I am just excited to get started in the realm of running active. It is starting to make a lot more sense. And the only downside is I have to wire everything over. but that doesn't matter to me if it means better sound/output. also I am going to do what everyone else said and run the rears off of the deck and not get another amp for them. eff the people in the back seat hahaha.

It has nothing to do with effing the back seat. People sitting in my rear seat regularly ask what I have for drivers in the back. When I tell them nothing, they always look shocked. Don't even bother connecting them to the deck, they will do nothing positive in your install.

[eggyhustles 33]

Even that is too high. What processing are you going to use and how do you plan to choose your settings?

I'm gonna use a rockford 3sixty2

I'm gonna need a mid i can cross lower than 250 since the tang bang w3 will crap itself that low..esp when cranked up

I would like to bandpass the sls 8's from 60 to 200-250, get whatever mid that can bandpass from 250 to 2k, and let the tweet do the rest.

Edited January 6, 2010 by eggyhustles

[///M5 2,833]

The 360.2 doesn't do 3way+sub. You are going to have some else to bandpass the SLS....

I didn't actually mean what frequencies as that is a bit premature. More how you were going to set them up.

One hint, in your installation I would play the SLS as low as you can. (only figure this out by testing)

You could ahead of time probably pick a high point for them at around 200hz

The mid then you will need to determine how low it can play and where it blends best. This will probably be somewhere around 300hz, but really can't tell without hearing them in their installed space. I would then see how high you can get them to play. Then I'd add the tweeter.

Of course this will all really depend on your mounting locations. The more on axis and the higher they are in your install, the higher in frequency I'd have them play.

Where are they being mounted and how?

[///M5 2,833]

*just realized this wasn't your thread, we should take this elsewhere.

[Duran 387]

...premature...

Tehehehehehe

[audioman21 0]

thats fine if you guys want to keep it here, I like learning.