DD + AQ = Clean loudness?

[SQLMonte 0]

I currently have a pair of ID12d2v3 subs in a Subzone ported box, 4 cubes, tuned to 30Hz with subs/port firing back and powered by an AQ1200D wired to 2 ohms (870 watts rms). This setup surprised me a few ways

1. The subs are rated at 250 rms, i'm giving them almost double that

2. Subs don't get stinky, never have

3. Never expected the output im getting from this setup, it hits way deeper and gets way louder than I expected it would.

I do have some complaints though

1. The box is way too big, IMO.

2. While it bangs the lows pretty good, the higher bass notes are severely lacking

3. Not getting full power out of my amp

That being said, and in light of the recent electrical issues I experienced (which have since been resolved) that resulted me in pulling out the system, I have decided that it's time to rebuild my substage. It was louder than I expected it to be but I want it even louder!

I've decided to go with 2 2512's and an AQ2200D, does this sound like a good combo? The DD's are pretty expensive so i'm going to get one for now and run it off my AQ1200D @ 1 ohm (1200-1470 watts rms) until I can afford to get the other sub and amp. I'm going to install the sub in a custom built 1.75 cube box tuned to about 36Hz with the sub/port firing forward and sealed off from the trunk. Anybody think the new setup will be louder than my current one? I haven't metered my current setup so I have no idea what it does number wise but it's not bad for what it is. Anybody think I'll have a problem running 1200-1400 watts to the single sub now or the 2200-2400 watts to the pair in the furture?

[CrownVic 15]

Do you have any electrical upgrades?

What size is your stock alt if no?

[jrod1050 5]

The subs you currently have are lacking in the higher bass because you have enclosure tuned so low. Why not try to build another enclosure 1st before you spend money on a completely new setup

[SQLMonte 0]

Do you have any electrical upgrades?

What size is your stock alt if no?

No, not yet. My stock alt is 105a. I have an SVR deep cycle battery under the hood and will definitely do the Big 3

The subs you currently have are lacking in the higher bass because you have enclosure tuned so low. Why not try to build another enclosure 1st before you spend money on a completely new setup

It's not loud enough...I want it louder overall, not just be able to hit the highs better. The funny thing about my current setup is that it's what was recommended to me by ID directly! I'm not going to get rid of the subs until I settle on something that i'm good with so I'll have plenty of time to experiment and what not. Edited December 20, 2009 by SQLMonte

[slim2fattycake 85]

its called sound quality and its not what you want. so go and tune higher with a bigger port. it sucks but if you want more output then either build the new box or get more power and if your subs cannot handle the higher power than get new subs. man, i cannot believe i understood what i wrote being this drunk.

[KU40 173]

Exactly what high bass frequencies are you lacking?

I don't understand how you can say the current two 12s ported box is too big, yet plan on buying another two 12s in ported boxes.

If you know you aren't getting full power out of the amp, then you aren't sending the subs almost twice their RMS.

You cannot run 2200 watts RMS on a 105 amp stock alternator.

[jcarter1885 995]

Exactly what high bass frequencies are you lacking?

I don't understand how you can say the current two 12s ported box is too big, yet plan on buying another two 12s in ported boxes.

If you know you aren't getting full power out of the amp, then you aren't sending the subs almost twice their RMS.

You cannot run 2200 watts RMS on a 105 amp stock alternator.

Thanks for waking him up and preaching the facts.

[corrie3232 8]

its called sound quality and its not what you want. so go and tune higher with a bigger port. it sucks but if you want more output then either build the new box or get more power and if your subs cannot handle the higher power than get new subs. man, i cannot believe i understood what i wrote being this drunk.

lmfao

[SQLMonte 0]

Exactly what high bass frequencies are you lacking?

I don't understand how you can say the current two 12s ported box is too big, yet plan on buying another two 12s in ported boxes.

If you know you aren't getting full power out of the amp, then you aren't sending the subs almost twice their RMS.

You cannot run 2200 watts RMS on a 105 amp stock alternator.

It falls off big time at around 44Hz and only gets worse from there. My subs suggested ported box size is anywhere from 1.5-2 cubes each. Something I didn't know at the time is that the size box you use/build should be determined, in part, by how much power you're going to run to your subs. The way I understand it is that, in general, if you're underpowering your subs then you want to go with a box on the bigger end of the scale, if you're giving them rated power then you want to go with a box that's about in the middle of the scale and if you're overpowering them then you should go with a box on the smaller end of the scale. That being said, and considering that i'm running my subs at nearly double their rated rms, I should have gone with a box that's about 1.5 cubes per sub.....my box is 2.0 cubes per, so it's too big. I'm not getting full power out of the amp because i'm running it at 2 ohms, it makes full power (as far as what it's maximum output rating is, which is 1470 watts) at 1 ohm. I can't wire these subs down to 1 ohm and even if I could it's not likely that they'd be able to handle triple their rated rms handling. So since my subs are rated at 250rms, and i'm running them at 2 ohms so the amp is putting out 870rms, that means each sub is getting 435rms....that's not almost twice their rated rms?

Do you think I could get away with running a 160a H/O alt, or should I bite the bullet and go with something in the 250a range?

Thanks for waking him up and preaching the facts.

Nobody woke me up and this ain't church so no need to preach. Besides, he had his facts wrong. If you can't come in here and answer some questions and help people out then you can stay out of my thread cause there's no need for your unhelpful and ignorant comments. That's all

[Notorious97200 339]

I understand, Man !

You want more bass, you want to change your setup!

DD is your only (expensive) option. Why ?

You can keep your amp, and buy 2 subs that you can wire at 1 ohm. Look for the subs you can find on the store, here. You may find something good for you.

Tell us what size of box you want, what music you listen to, ...

[jcarter1885 995]

I currently have a pair of ID12d2v3 subs in a Subzone ported box, 4 cubes, tuned to 30Hz with subs/port firing back and powered by an AQ1200D wired to 2 ohms (870 watts rms). This setup surprised me a few ways

1. The subs are rated at 250 rms, i'm giving them almost double that

2. Subs don't get stinky, never have

3. Never expected the output im getting from this setup, it hits way deeper and gets way louder than I expected it would.

I do have some complaints though

1. The box is way too big, IMO.

2. While it bangs the lows pretty good, the higher bass notes are severely lacking

3. Not getting full power out of my amp

That being said, and in light of the recent electrical issues I experienced (which have since been resolved) that resulted me in pulling out the system, I have decided that it's time to rebuild my substage. It was louder than I expected it to be but I want it even louder!

I've decided to go with 2 2512's and an AQ2200D, does this sound like a good combo? The DD's are pretty expensive so i'm going to get one for now and run it off my AQ1200D @ 1 ohm (1200-1470 watts rms) until I can afford to get the other sub and amp. I'm going to install the sub in a custom built 1.75 cube box tuned to about 36Hz with the sub/port firing forward and sealed off from the trunk. Anybody think the new setup will be louder than my current one? I haven't metered my current setup so I have no idea what it does number wise but it's not bad for what it is. Anybody think I'll have a problem running 1200-1400 watts to the single sub now or the 2200-2400 watts to the pair in the furture?

So here are your answers, the reason why you upper bass frequencies could be lacking could be do to amp settings or box tuning among other things. How do you know its lacking at 44Hz and up did you do a sweep with some tones to see where its cutting off? I dont see why your new sub shouldnt be louder since it is made for a different goal and tuned much higher with more power, that sounds like a given. Nobody could honestly tell you, just make sure you do the install right and build a good enclosure. Yeah you will have problems running those amount of watts without doing the Big 3 Wiring, Secondary Battery or Two and an HO Alternator.

Or like stated earlier, which is the best advice keep your amp and run it at one ohm. Find you some subwoofers or a subwoofer that can take on the AQ 1200D at ohm, build a nice box tuned higher than what you want (get a FI Car Audio BL with BP Power and it will blow your current setup out the water).

Thanks for waking him up and preaching the facts.

Nobody woke me up and this ain't church so no need to preach. Besides, he had his facts wrong. If you can't come in here and answer some questions and help people out then you can stay out of my thread cause there's no need for your unhelpful and ignorant comments. That's all

Calm down, dont get emotional. You gotta understand your gonna need power to make power, I go where I please buddy. You dont even know what your running your amp at, just because it is rated at 870 watts doesnt mean that is what setting you have it on at that volume level, does mean it is playing at the wattage for every second, doesnt mean you have the electrical to make it reach that wattage without clipping if so (I could go on and on). So you dont know it your doubling the rms to those subs or just a little more than rated.

[SQLMonte 0]

I understand, Man ! You want more bass, you want to change your setup! DD is your only (expensive) option. Why ?

You can keep your amp, and buy 2 subs that you can wire at 1 ohm. Look for the subs you can find on the store, here. You may find something good for you. Tell us what size of box you want, what music you listen to, ...

It's not that DD is my only option, I have tons of options, all I'd need is some D4 subs, but I don't just want the final impedance I want a well built product that has a good warranty and is dependable and will not only handle the power I have to throw at it today but the power I upgrade to tomorrow (figuratively). It's funny you say DD is an expensive option because of all the 12" subs I'd consider getting from the store here, every single one of them is more expensive than what I've been quoted for the 2512, with exception of the SA-12's. The one's I'd consider are the SSA Icon's, SoundSplinter RL-p, and the SA-12's.

There's no particular size box I want, that will be determined by how much power i'm running and what the subs need. However, I'd like to keep the box within the following specs: 35w x 16h x 20d. I listen to Rap, Heavy Metal, R&B, Soul, Funk, Disco, Alternative Rock.

So here are your answers, the reason why you upper bass frequencies could be lacking could be do to amp settings or box tuning among other things. How do you know its lacking at 44Hz and up did you do a sweep with some tones to see where its cutting off? I dont see why your new sub shouldnt be louder since it is made for a different goal and tuned much higher with more power, that sounds like a given. Nobody could honestly tell you, just make sure you do the install right and build a good enclosure. Yeah you will have problems running those amount of watts without doing the Big 3 Wiring, Secondary Battery or Two and an HO Alternator.

I'm running a 3 way active setup, subs/mids/highs, so there are no amp settings that would be in play here. The settings that pertain to my subs, xover point, slope, EQ, etc., have all been adjusted to get more top end but to no avail.

As long as the new sub/box/increased power setup would be louder then it's mission accomplished. I might even just stay with the one sub if I notice it's louder, at least for the time being. As for the box, this will be my first custom box build and I sured picked a tough one to learn on...sub/port firing forward and sealed off from the trunk. But I have some very capable guys on my team who are gonna give me a hand so it shouldn't be all too bad. I might even try out DD's Compact High Efficiency box with the port loading off the side of the trunk to see how that sounds and to have something to fall back on should the sub/port forward idea not work out.

Or like stated earlier, which is the best advice keep your amp and run it at one ohm. Find you some subwoofers or a subwoofer that can take on the AQ 1200D at ohm, build a nice box tuned higher than what you want (get a FI Car Audio BL with BP Power and it will blow your current setup out the water).

That's what i'm gonna do, as stated in my first post, especially if running 2400+ rms wouldn't be feasible on stock electrical. That pretty much takes care of the AQ2200 idea....actually, I didn't know my amp was strapable so I'd have just gotten another AQ1200 and strapped them. I'll pass on the Fi stuff, I think a DD 2512 on 1200rms would blow my current setup out of the water too, but I guess time will tell.

Calm down, dont get emotional. You gotta understand your gonna need power to make power, I go where I please buddy. You dont even know what your running your amp at, just because it is rated at 870 watts doesnt mean that is what setting you have it on at that volume level, does mean it is playing at the wattage for every second, doesnt mean you have the electrical to make it reach that wattage without clipping if so (I could go on and on). So you dont know it your doubling the rms to those subs or just a little more than rated.

I haven't gotten worked up yet, just speaking my mind the same as you did. If you insist on clogging up my thread with worthless posts like the one I replied to then I'll continue to call you out on it, so don't take what I said as me attempting to tell where you can or can't go rather as me pointing out to you that it would be more appreciated and helpful if you answered the question(s) instead of posting that nonsense.

Now you're splitting hairs......I understand that the subs aren't "seeing" the full 870 rms when you take into consideration the efficiency of the amp, gain setting, impedance rise, etc., as well as the fact that music is dynamic not static. But that's getting way deeper than necessary, IMO...my comments were based on rated power of the amp, not actual numbers measured...didn't think I'd need to explain that. My electrical is just fine for my system as it stands, I rarely drop below 14.4, staying between 14.6 and 15.0 for the most part.

[jcarter1885 995]

You dont have a 3-way setup, you have a 2-way setup with a sub stage. 3 ways consist of tweeters, midrange and midbass. 2 ways consist of tweeters and midrange or midbass speaker. Well how about you try an SSA Xcon on your amp, preferrably a 15" or are you trying to stay on a 12" subwoofer.

[SQLMonte 0]

You dont have a 3-way setup, you have a 2-way setup with a sub stage. 3 ways consist of tweeters, midrange and midbass. 2 ways consist of tweeters and midrange or midbass speaker. Well how about you try an SSA Xcon on your amp, preferrably a 15" or are you trying to stay on a 12" subwoofer.

There you go splitting hairs again, haha. Maybe I didn't word it right, i'm definitely not running a 3 way setup, but I am running 3 way active since the signal for all the speakers in my setup are processed first then amplified and all can be tweaked via my deck. But enough with the semantics, an SSA Xcon is damn near $400!!!! Ouch! Not to mention the 1750rms rating...considering my amp can only put out 1470rms at it's best, I think I'll stick with the DD 2512. You seem kind of intent on steering me away from DD, any reason why? Since I want to do the sub/port forward, I think I need to stay with a 12" cause the maximum height my box can be is 16" so a 15" sub would be pushing it.

[jcarter1885 995]

I see what your saying about a sub but when most people who refer to an active setup they do not include there subs in it, they only affiliate it with the interior speakers no matter how you have your sub ran or tweaked. Im not steering you away from DD, it doesnt matter to me (I wouldnt buy them but that doesnt mean you shouldnt, everyone has there own preferences); I was merely throwing options out there like you said earlier. You do not have to give a sub its full rms for it to shine at all, there is no such thing as underpowering a subwoofer at all so in your case you will be fine.

Well I would ask you what is your overall budget for a sub or subs but you say you want to stick with DD.

[bassahaulic 155]

Plz tell me how your running 15v?

Especially without Big 3, and only a 105 alt.

MLA?

[bassahaulic 155]

You dont have a 3-way setup, you have a 2-way setup with a sub stage. 3 ways consist of tweeters, midrange and midbass. 2 ways consist of tweeters and midrange or midbass speaker. Well how about you try an SSA Xcon on your amp, preferrably a 15" or are you trying to stay on a 12" subwoofer.

There you go splitting hairs again, haha. Maybe I didn't word it right, i'm definitely not running a 3 way setup, but I am running 3 way active since the signal for all the speakers in my setup are processed first then amplified and all can be tweaked via my deck. But enough with the semantics, an SSA Xcon is damn near $400!!!! Ouch! Not to mention the 1750rms rating...considering my amp can only put out 1470rms at it's best, I think I'll stick with the DD 2512. You seem kind of intent on steering me away from DD, any reason why? Since I want to do the sub/port forward, I think I need to stay with a 12" cause the maximum height my box can be is 16" so a 15" sub would be pushing it.

uh...........

[///M5 2,833]

What frequencies do you expect your sub to play?

How did you determine the 44Hz?

What is "clean" and "loudness" to you?

I think this thread is derailed, but do agree that it sounds like you wanted confirmation of what you think you should buy without stating why you want to buy what you are looking to buy. If you come at this the other way around and list your goals and budget you will get more helpful replies. Personally I read your thread a few days ago, but didn't care to respond based on your first post...I only change my mind now at seeing how derailed the thread is and perhaps how you have been misled from the get go on your choices.

[SQLMonte 0]

I see what your saying about a sub but when most people who refer to an active setup they do not include there subs in it, they only affiliate it with the interior speakers no matter how you have your sub ran or tweaked. Im not steering you away from DD, it doesnt matter to me (I wouldnt buy them but that doesnt mean you shouldnt, everyone has there own preferences); I was merely throwing options out there like you said earlier. You do not have to give a sub its full rms for it to shine at all, there is no such thing as underpowering a subwoofer at all so in your case you will be fine.

Well I would ask you what is your overall budget for a sub or subs but you say you want to stick with DD.

I understand where you're coming from....I've never had any experience with DD so i'm definitely not speaking from experience, but they aren't exactly abundant out here on the West Coast and I like having things not many others have. But also DD seems to have quite a reputation for building a very good product that performs well and while the cost of the product was a bit more than I really wanted to pay initially, I haven't read or heard anything about the product that makes me think it'll be anything other than impressive.

Just for the record, when I first decided I wanted to get louder I set my budget at $300 and had my sights set on a pair of Type R 12's...they were $120 at the time and are $130 now. But one of my teammates just went out and got a pair of Type R's and I don't want the same thing he's got so I ditched the idea. I considered a Fi Q but refused to do business with a company so closely related with ***** *****. So after looking around, checking out prices and user reviews, I have decided to give DD a shot.

[slim2fattycake 85]

hahaha. you refuse to do business with a company close to steve? is that right now? So take AA, Fi, Kicker, Iraggi, and XS Power out. Did steve kill your baby? blew his eardrums with too much SPL?

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

hahaha. you refuse to do business with a company close to steve? is that right now? So take AA, Fi, Kicker, Iraggi, and XS Power out. Did steve kill your baby? blew his eardrums with too much SPL?

His avatar might be a hint.

[slim2fattycake 85]

Man, I hate Jesus. Those Christians need to get off his nuts.

Doesn't that sound retarded? Or are you just mad he kicked you off his forum? I guess you could hate him for that.

PS- Steve Meade is not my sub god or my sub enemy. I don't know the guy.

[lilredfocus 1]

i ordered set of dd2512s and built a box for them and hated them. the customer service blows (steve milton is the only one there that can answer question. dont know why, all the people there collect a check) and the subs had manufacturer defects and i had to eat 40$ per sub to send them back to get "repaired"then they sent them back just to show me the defect/noise was louder. so it cost me 80 to send them for a refund. i went with fi

[SQLMonte 0]

Plz tell me how your running 15v?

Especially without Big 3, and only a 105 alt.

MLA?

Haha, I wish I could tell you. Just so you know, my system is currently down, had to take it out due to random electrical issues with the car once the factory deck was removed. Gotta love Chevy's Class 2 data bus crap! But when it was up and running I was getting 14.4 at idle and up to 15.0 under acceleration. Don't mistake that for being a constant 15.0, it was more a touch and go type thing, sorry if I misled. And when my system was up and running I did have the Big 3 done.

You dont have a 3-way setup, you have a 2-way setup with a sub stage. 3 ways consist of tweeters, midrange and midbass. 2 ways consist of tweeters and midrange or midbass speaker. Well how about you try an SSA Xcon on your amp, preferrably a 15" or are you trying to stay on a 12" subwoofer.

Maybe I didn't word it right, i'm definitely not running a 3 way setup, but I am running 3 way active

uh...........

ROFL. When somebody says they're running a 3 way setup, I automatically think what Jay-cee said, tweet/midrange/midbass. But running 3 way active can be either the aforementioned or like my setup, tweet/midrange/subs. You don't have to run an active setup to run a 3 way setup.

What frequencies do you expect your sub to play?

How did you determine the 44Hz?

What is "clean" and "loudness" to you?

I think this thread is derailed, but do agree that it sounds like you wanted confirmation of what you think you should buy without stating why you want to buy what you are looking to buy. If you come at this the other way around and list your goals and budget you will get more helpful replies. Personally I read your thread a few days ago, but didn't care to respond based on your first post...I only change my mind now at seeing how derailed the thread is and perhaps how you have been misled from the get go on your choices.

Kinda hard to say because I don't know what certain frequencies are in certain songs, but I think they should be able to play the mid to upper 40's with no problems. I determined the frequency the drop off happens by playing test tones. As far as clean and loud and the definitions of them....The clean part was more me asking if the AQ puts out clean power...people are always using the term "clean power" and I was just wanting to know if the AQ qualifies as an amp that puts out clean power. Loud....what's loud is very much subjective, I get it, I guess I was just wondering if the DD 2512's would fall under the "loud" category if pushed with the AQ2200 in a properly built enclosure. I'm not looking for a meter monster or nothing like that, I just want a daily driver that has a bangin' sub stage with a clean sounding front stage.

My equipment prospects are my own choices, nobody led me to either of them...I have an AQ1200 that I am happy with, it didn't cost very much and pushed my subs nicely which is why I considered the AQ2200. As for the subs, I just wanted to go with something not many others out here have.

hahaha. you refuse to do business with a company close to steve? is that right now? So take AA, Fi, Kicker, Iraggi, and XS Power out. Did steve kill your baby? blew his eardrums with too much SPL?

Exactly! I will not support brands that support him, that's my personal preference and I have my reasons which I don't care to get into here. AA is too pricey for me and no local dealer anyway, Iraggi; way too many horror stories for me to even consider doing business with him, XS Power for me is like using a cannon to kill a fly, my SVR batteries do me just fine. I've never been a fan of Kicker.....so yeah, taking them out of the mix is a non-issue for me

Man, I hate Jesus. Those Christians need to get off his nuts.

Doesn't that sound retarded? Or are you just mad he kicked you off his forum? I guess you could hate him for that.

PS- ***** ***** is not my sub god or my sub enemy. I don't know the guy.

Did I read that right? You're comparing him to Jesus? I thought I got away from that crap

You have no idea what happened that makes me feel this way so how can you comment on whether or not it's retarded? Getting banned from his forum has nothing to do with it, FYI, it's way deeper than that but again, I don't choose to get into it here. So I only ask that you respect my choice on the subject and refrain from making yourself look any dumber by forming an opinion on something you have very little info about.

i ordered set of dd2512s and built a box for them and hated them. the customer service blows (steve milton is the only one there that can answer question. dont know why, all the people there collect a check) and the subs had manufacturer defects and i had to eat 40$ per sub to send them back to get "repaired"then they sent them back just to show me the defect/noise was louder. so it cost me 80 to send them for a refund. i went with fi

That sucks

[Duran 387]

Steve uses Rockford Fosgate, and RE as well. Oh and he puts gas in his vehicles...why don't ya boycott gasoline! He eats food too, stop eating food that's supporting Steve Meade!

Seriously now, how old are you?