Front Stage Idea

[PHATBOi 38]

Thinking of running 4 FUSION REACTOR 4" Coaxials http://www.fusioncaraudio.com/north-....aspx#addninfo, 2 in each door. I want to make a plate to fit 2 in each of my factory 2003 Mazda Protege ES 5x7 positions in my front doors. Will be running them off a DSC450 bridged, so 100 watts rms a set. With 2 Kenwood KFC-ST30 tweets in the factory mounts run off the deck, 22 watts rms. No rear fill, gonna leave 6x9 holes open. I want to try something different, tired of just replacing factory speakers with same size upgrades, but not ready to do full blown door pods yet. So, what do y'all think? I think it would be nice and loud yet crisp. Not really anal about having alot of midrange bass, that's what I have the sub for, lol. I just want it to be loud and clear. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.

[lithium 358]

midbass is like 70-200hz, i hope your sub isnt playing that high... as far as your idea, its terrible. look for some components, see if you can get a 6.5" woofer in the door location with a baffle.

[PHATBOi 38]

midbass is like 70-200hz, i hope your sub isnt playing that high... as far as your idea, its terrible. look for some components, see if you can get a 6.5" woofer in the door location with a baffle.

Thank you for your honesty. Yes a 6.5 will fit, I had them in there before, but they where cheap and sounded like ass. I was just under the impression that 2 smaller speakers would have more output than 1 large. This is why I asked for an outside opinion. And no I don't play my sub that high, I wasn't very clear with that statement. Was just saying that I like my highs and my bass, don't get real crazy about having midrange bass. But I think this is due to the fact I haven't really had it before so I don't know what I'm missing. I like the idea of not having rear speakers and wanted to try it. Just don't want to have to cut my front door up or do a bunch of custom work to be able to get the sound I want from just the front stage. Any suggestions are appreciated. Thanks.

[lithium 358]

no you wont get better results with smaller speakers and having more speakers will not help with output, google cancellation and destructive interference.

good result can be had quite simply with a pair of component speakers on mdf or plastic baffle (maybe some deadening if your serious about it). i take you listen to mostly rap since you mention not missing the midbass in your music?

budget?

[PHATBOi 38]

no you wont get better results with smaller speakers and having more speakers will not help with output, google cancellation and destructive interference.

good result can be had quite simply with a pair of component speakers on mdf or plastic baffle (maybe some deadening if your serious about it). i take you listen to mostly rap since you mention not missing the midbass in your music?

budget?

Yes rap, lol, you got me there. But I do like to kick some oldies once in a while, Al Green and such. Lookin to spend around $100 to $150 on them. What do you think about something like this http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_19505_Boston+Acoustics+SR80.html ?

[jcarter1885 995]

You got a pm

[lithium 358]

i wouldnt use them. get a set with a separate tweeter, id recommend pg rsd 6.5 components (last set of comps i've ever used) which are only about 90 bucks. leaves you with some money for deadening aswell.

go to some shops and listen to them on the board or listen to friends' set ups and see what u like about their installs . figure out if u like soft or metal tweets.

[PHATBOi 38]

i wouldnt use them. get a set with a separate tweeter, id recommend pg rsd 6.5 components (last set of comps i've ever used) which are only about 90 bucks. leaves you with some money for deadening aswell.

go to some shops and listen to them on the board or listen to friends' set ups and see what u like about their installs . figure out if u like soft or metal tweets.

Thank you for your advice. I just found a full audio mag review on those comps and really like the sound of them. Found a set on egay for arounf the price you stated. I pretty sure these are what I will get. Thanks again.

[lithium 358]

good luck with the install.

[///M5 2,833]

Yep, no to the 4's and no to the 5x7's. Get some 6.5 comps and spend some time installing them well.

[KU40 173]

Yep

[PHATBOi 38]

Question, when you run a component set, you run the amp on full pass because the components have the crossover, correct?

Edited December 18, 2009 by PHATBOi

[///M5 2,833]

High passing is usually done if you have a sub. This will give them more output potential as they are always limited by the midbass.

[PHATBOi 38]

High passing is usually done if you have a sub. This will give them more output potential as they are always limited by the midbass.

Thanks. Good to know. I think that is where I went wrong with my first comp set. I tried to push them hard on full pass. They didn't last long.

[///M5 2,833]

Without you'd kill the pair of 4's even faster....

[PHATBOi 38]

Last but not least, is there a difference between using a 6.5 comp setas opposed to a 5x7 comp set? Was looking at these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_14709_MB+Quart+PVI+268.html. Thanks.

[deathcloud 6]

I remember people saying that with an oval speaker you don't get the best sound versus going with a round 6.5 speaker.

Honestly I would stick to the pg rsd65cs component speakers. It is what I have and they sound great with about only 75rms on them. I am getting a bigger 4 channel amp to get about 125 rms to them. And the crazy thing is I haven't even began to do any deadening to the car at all. Once I get serious and deaden the door and also the whole car I can't wait to hear them. People in any forum can say if you properly deaden you will be amazed at the difference. I am excited to get it done.

[///M5 2,833]

Last but not least, is there a difference between using a 6.5 comp setas opposed to a 5x7 comp set? Was looking at these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_14709_MB+Quart+PVI+268.html. Thanks.

As I said earlier in your thread:

Yep, no to the 4's and no to the 5x7's. Get some 6.5 comps and spend some time installing them well.

Those 5x7's are crap. You don't want them.

I remember people saying that with an oval speaker you don't get the best sound versus going with a round 6.5 speaker.

It has NOTHING to do with oval or round and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that no one engineers a decent oval speaker these days. *exceptions always, but I don't know of any 5x7's atm

Buy some 6.5" components otherwise you will be right back where you started.

[todd.brust 29]

Last but not least, is there a difference between using a 6.5 comp setas opposed to a 5x7 comp set? Was looking at these http://www.sonicelec...t+PVI+268.html. Thanks.

As I said earlier in your thread:

Yep, no to the 4's and no to the 5x7's. Get some 6.5 comps and spend some time installing them well.

Those 5x7's are crap. You don't want them.

I remember people saying that with an oval speaker you don't get the best sound versus going with a round 6.5 speaker.

It has NOTHING to do with oval or round and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that no one engineers a decent oval speaker these days. *exceptions always, but I don't know of any 5x7's atm

Buy some 6.5" components otherwise you will be right back where you started.

I am pretty satisfied with my JL XR 5x7s

[KU40 173]

Last but not least, is there a difference between using a 6.5 comp setas opposed to a 5x7 comp set? Was looking at these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_14709_MB+Quart+PVI+268.html. Thanks.

As I said earlier in your thread:

Yep, no to the 4's and no to the 5x7's. Get some 6.5 comps and spend some time installing them well.

Those 5x7's are crap. You don't want them.

I remember people saying that with an oval speaker you don't get the best sound versus going with a round 6.5 speaker.

It has NOTHING to do with oval or round and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that no one engineers a decent oval speaker these days. *exceptions always, but I don't know of any 5x7's atm

Buy some 6.5" components otherwise you will be right back where you started.

But don't oval speakers have uneven stress on the cone, which can cause breakup earlier on the power scale than in a similar round-coned speaker?

[deathcloud 6]

Yea see I swear I heard it form somewhere exactly what KU40 said.

[KU40 173]

Although it may be a non-issue since new cone improvements may have made the cones so rigid that it doesn't matter because they wouldn't break up pretty much no matter the shape. But I'm not sure.

[///M5 2,833]

Last but not least, is there a difference between using a 6.5 comp setas opposed to a 5x7 comp set? Was looking at these http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_14709_MB+Quart+PVI+268.html. Thanks.

As I said earlier in your thread:

Yep, no to the 4's and no to the 5x7's. Get some 6.5 comps and spend some time installing them well.

Those 5x7's are crap. You don't want them.

I remember people saying that with an oval speaker you don't get the best sound versus going with a round 6.5 speaker.

It has NOTHING to do with oval or round and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that no one engineers a decent oval speaker these days. *exceptions always, but I don't know of any 5x7's atm

Buy some 6.5" components otherwise you will be right back where you started.

But don't oval speakers have uneven stress on the cone, which can cause breakup earlier on the power scale than in a similar round-coned speaker?

Not stress.

They will have different mode shapes as they are shaped differently and will have different polar responses, but there isn't an intrinsic failure with the oval shape. In practice this isn't the case as engineering seems to be rather lax on these speakers. Probably because no one serious uses them, just those too lazy to install something the right way. If you are too lazy to do anything but use stock mounting then so be it, no reason to engineer anything worth a shit then anyways.

[///M5 2,833]

Although it may be a non-issue since new cone improvements may have made the cones so rigid that it doesn't matter because they wouldn't break up pretty much no matter the shape. But I'm not sure.

They will ALL still break up the differing cone technologies just raise the frequency that this break up occurs. Technology also exists to dampen these resonances if the manufacturer wants to spend the R&D dollars to do so.

[///M5 2,833]

I am pretty satisfied with my JL XR 5x7s

I have a cure for that disease. Come visit and sit in my truck. (and it's a lazy install in the factory locations install with budget drivers...but with some thought and decent structure)