Nightshade v.2 Teaser Picture

[ludeman 86]

I may consider special orders for 10s.

I may have some special money for some special 10s by ETA!

[sundownz 197]

I should have my prototype in hand next week... likely by Wednesday or so. Then I'll get some pictures of it put together as a 15 before I drop it in my Jeep!

[sundownz 197]

The coil :

Left to Right : Monster D1 coil, NS v.2 D2 Coil, NS v.1 D1 Coil

It is a good bit heavier than the v.1 NS coil but about 15 grams of that is in the former as it is double thickness material.

Still 15g lighter than the Monster coil

The "standard" coil is very long... I will also be offering a 56mm version with 0.7 / 1.4 DCR... the long coils are 1.0 / 1.8 DCR.

[sundownz 197]

Prototype motor is *supposed* to be here tomorrow too... so I should have more pics of it as well @ that time.

[Mac N Cheese 90]

[jcarter1885 995]

The coil :

Left to Right : Monster D1 coil, NS v.2 D2 Coil, NS v.1 D1 Coil

It is a good bit heavier than the v.1 NS coil but about 15 grams of that is in the former as it is double thickness material.

Still 15g lighter than the Monster coil

The "standard" coil is very long... I will also be offering a 56mm version with 0.7 / 1.4 DCR... the long coils are 1.0 / 1.8 DCR.

Aww why did you have to post that, I havent even installed my Z15 v1 and you have me jealous already.

[jonbearsmt 919]

I WANT THESE SUBS!!!!

i gotta havem i gonna runnem lemme gettem...

[sundownz 197]

Comparison : NS v.2 / Z v.2 / NS v.1

It's here ! I'll build it up once I'm done w/ shipping for the day to make sure it meets all my design specs.

[The enD 467]

And I jizzed in my pants...

That motor is sexy. I am definitely inverting mine as soon as they come. Can't wait to see some test results with the new coil.

[Eagle 2]

I'm ready for a pair of 12's!

[kkk4 3]

love NS v.1

why not change the design of the basket?

magnets that have specifically compared to v1? diameter greater than or equal? thickness?

I love the design of the engine of the SA series, it would be nice to create this measure of the nightshade, like photos of the prototype of the "monster"

Edited December 15, 2009 by kkk4

[sundownz 197]

The v.2 Nightshade has more excursion, more power handling, higher motor strength, etc compared to the v.1 model -- it is improved in every way

The flat back and top plate like the SA series and Monster series would make the NS v.2 too heavy! The top and back plates are both 40mm thick steel... this much weight would risk breaking the basket.

[kkk4 3]

exactly

For this reason, talk of changing the design of the basket maybe

the diameter of the magnets is the same? the photo look the same, but with smaller thickness

[sundownz 197]

exactly

For this reason, talk of changing the design of the basket maybe

the diameter of the magnets is the same? the photo look the same, but with smaller thickness

Correct -- the magnets are shorter. With other changes to the design the motor strength is still higher.

It is not so simple as to change the basket design... tooling for baskets is extremely expensive !

[kkk4 3]

have already made some tests on the resistance of the coil?

greatly improved cooling and power handling?

I remember a picture of a coil of the monster, and it was like that posed above (monster D1), but as long as that of the nightshade v2 ...

too big and heavy?

[sundownz 197]

The 8-layer round wire for the monster is what you mean - it was only 56mm tall, though - the NS v.2 coil is 71mm tall.

[kkk4 3]

I was referring to this:

[sundownz 197]

Yes, that is the 8-layer round version of the Monster coil -- 56mm length.

[Gary F. 3]

Hmmm. Got 2 for me right?

[kkk4 3]

Yes, that is the 8-layer round version of the Monster coil -- 56mm length.

I loved that

[sundownz 197]

I've been looking for 30-45 minutes for my power clamp... no luck... so I cannot give power to SPL comparisons at this time.

Simply comparing HU volume levels... with my HU sub control at -3 this is the results:

MONSTER : 151.6 dB

NS v.2 : 154.0 dB

The NS may be seeing way more power due to reduced inductance... I have no way to know until I find my clamp. The Monster kept getting louder until the HU hit +6 as well where it did 155.1 dB.

I will do more testing later... had an issue with the samples coil formers / coil leads being too short so I had to rig it up to work... one connection broke in my testing. I am ordering new coil samples with taller formers / taller coil leads for production and further testing. I will try to rig it up a better way to get more testing until then, though!

[CrazyKenKid 64]

wow!! nice number!!!

what were the ns v1 numbers? 1xx.5...my memory is failing me in my old age lol.

Edited December 16, 2009 by CrazyKenKid

[sundownz 197]

I'm not done turning it up yet

Best ever was 154.3 with the NS v.1

[culzero 0]

I'm not done turning it up yet

Best ever was 154.3 with the NS v.1

awesome

[CrazyKenKid 64]

I'm not done turning it up yet

Best ever was 154.3 with the NS v.1

nice!! and wasn't that on like ~7k ish.

i am looking for the thread but i am coming up dry. i think i remember that number.