who all has been scorned or belittled by ///M5?

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Okay fellas, here's the way I see things.

If you use this forum with proper grammar, good spelling, and courtesy to others while maintaining a light attitude about things, there should be no problems.

Yes, Sean comes across as abrasive. However in my short time here I have seen his true intentions, in my opinion, are to help those that genuinely want to learn and contribute here while keeping those who create waves in check.

In my opinion, this topic should be closed and deleted because it is a smack in the face to a moderator who is a great asset to this forum.

It will not be closed unless it needs to be. We don't delete things unless they're total bullshit or something totally unnecessary. We have no reason to hide anything around here.

Although this should have been handled in a mature manner, such as a PM to Admin, it has not and this is what you get.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Some people just enjoy being a dick head

. . . And others like to make useless comments with their head up their ass.

[casflan 4]

Okay fellas, here's the way I see things.

If you use this forum with proper grammar, good spelling, and courtesy to others while maintaining a light attitude about things, there should be no problems.

Yes, Sean comes across as abrasive. However in my short time here I have seen his true intentions, in my opinion, are to help those that genuinely want to learn and contribute here while keeping those who create waves in check.

In my opinion, this topic should be closed and deleted because it is a smack in the face to a moderator who is a great asset to this forum.

It will not be closed unless it needs to be. We don't delete things unless they're total bullshit or something totally unnecessary. We have no reason to hide anything around here.

Although this should have been handled in a mature manner, such as a PM to Admin, it has not and this is what you get.

I like that policy.

[porkchop 304]

nicely, generally put.

I too am part of something i feel is great, I too would stand up for those around me, in which i did.

I do posess the attitude of , "do I give a shit about these folks?", Until you encouraged me to think about that , i truly had not considered it.

I don't give two cents about a group of invisible faces talking about audio. why should I?

I do give a shit about my friends and I do know he addressed this "sweet" moderator inocentally enough.

I also know that he was scorned in a prissy ass way, not "tuff love". He was also disrespected, something else that does not show that in which you are attempting to present.

stick together you shall, one for all, dam right. I would not have it any other way.

we will not make a drop in your bucket, i know.

and yet, i still say respect is important to many, it is important to me. I know that the kid did not deserve to be addressed the way he did in the begining.

be glad you have the ability to spell and be gramatically correct, in this area, the average child is in the street by 14, like myself, he was trying, to fit in with you guys, to be part of something bigger and better.

yup, it is just the internet, thats why we better be dam sure we have good spelling.......whatever, chase those less than you away, it is alot easier than attempting to teach them.

I rather steve ( rattlebox317) or those like him, to be on here asking questions and making small talk, trying to learn, than in the streets, perhaps in some of your streets, taking your hard work away from you, because noone will give them the time to learn the right way.

yup it is just the internet, it is just your home, i know where our place is, too bad we cannot move up, too bad that we don't possess your fortunes, as simple as they may be to you, thaey are but only a dream to others.

i too am done with this topic, I will continue to try to learn about car audio, i will continue to be a man of morals and values, be it here or else where, i too will continue to stand up for my friends.

i do not believe that steve darkened this forum by originally asking the guy if he had his laptop in europe, he was only impressed by the very thought of such a luxury. this was in the Ihop, i am sure he did not need 100% proper spelling and grammar or punctuation to get a friendly response back....

but if you sum it up in general statements like that, than yes, i too see your point.

Chop

[tejcurrent 13]

Sometimes people need an ass-whuppin' in order to learn. M5 has helped me out in the past with very direct answers to my questions.

My truck broke down once and my brother came and helped me - he wasn't the most pleasant person at the time because he was angry at my incompetence and that I did not know how to fix a simple problem, but he helped me a lot. When you know what you're talking about, have explained it multiple times, yet people still ask the same questions repeatedly- opening their mouths before reading I can see where frustration could really manifest.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Chop, it's all good, but I look at things in a different light. I grew up in the bad part of town myself. While my parents worked day and night to put me in a good school away from the "bad" element, I've seen it all and was involved in enough shit to be put in jail for life, but I got lucky.

Now, some may or may not be as well-educated as some of us here. That's beside the point. The fact of the matter is, if you do nothing to help the situation, you're only making it worse. While it may seem petty, giving in to the use of improper grammar, no matter the situation, is only going to hinder progress. Pretty soon, you have a forum that reads like a, well for lack of a better term, idiot board. This is the problem with out society. Everyone wants to make an excuse for people. We don't. Anyone who feels they can not communicate on the forum properly can ask for help or leave. It's simple. If they want to learn, if they truly have the passion and desire this forum was founded upon, they will extend the effort, and we will extend our hand.

This is much the way we all run our lives. You see countless numbers who fall by the wayside, giving in, taking the easy way out. You see many others who strive and want to succeed and their drive propels them. This is the passion we all share here.

This is getting OT, but the fact of the matter is, there is nothing personal here. There are rules and we enforce them.

I don't know what the whole issue with Steve and Sean was. I know Sean and his smart ass ways. I don't think he was demeaning in any way. Steve made a comment that could have been taken as a threat and that was where the line was crossed. Now, he PMed me and everything was cleared up and he did what he needed to do to get a resolution. He handled himself maturely and like a man. I thought that was great as most NooBs would not hesitate to lash out in a post, but he held himself back and proceeded correctly.

I know Sean personally and have met him before. He is a great guy. You may find his type as demeaning and immature, but I can assure you, he is only meaning to better you. Think of him as a drill Sergeant. We all know what "assholes" they can be, but they are in place to make that soldier the best he can be.

We're all human, and we all have room for improvement.

I hope we can all grow together.

[KU40 173]

Tirefryr had it right in his first post.

He expects a lot out of people. You don't have to know everything already, just be willing to do so. Maybe he holds people to higher standards than some of their parents ever did, and maybe that's half of the problem.

[Notorious97200 339]

That's a lot of talking !!!

I agree, some mods can be rude some times, but they always give you the good advice : and that is why I love this forum !!!

On the proper grammar or spelling : think about foreigners, please. It is easier to understand when you use proper English, good grammar,...

Thanks to you all

[bobonit 5]

I have learned so much from this forum including from ///M5. I have always treated and have been treated with respect. I don't know everything and I don't claim that I do.

Some people just enjoy being a dick head

. . . And others like to make useless comments with their head up their ass.

I take the positive from situations, for example...

While having your head up your ass is just plain stupid, having a dick head up your ass is just plain gay.

[dem beats 1,223]

Think on one factor here. Everyone who moderate this place, the place you hold so dear to you, will all tell you one thing. M5 is probably the most giving and helpfull individual you could ever hope to bump into.

No one will defend him as it's a non issue. No one will close a topic or ban someone, the team here doesn't allow for martyrs. They would rather see you grow and contribute.

Here's a little story...

I had a job where after I made it through the probationary, I was put on an extended probation. I was furious, and when asked in a meeting with the department head I asked why this was nesicarry, and that the supervisor was playing favorites and let him know how much of a PITA she was blah blah blah.

He replied by saying, "She aparently does see you have the potential to improve. If it's justafied or not it really doesn't matter as you need to live up to the expectations of your supervisor. She could have simply said you don't pass muster."

After stewing on that for YEARS (it took so long because I'm dense and pridefull) I realized that my narritive and whining about her just made me look more incompitent, and in fact I wasn't living up to what I needed to be. Even if she was the worst supervisor in the world, and even though she did get transfered out, I was still in the wrong. It's not an easy lesson to learn.\

Rules are here. They are extremely crystal clear. Leinient hands moderate it in my opinion, and they only take action when someone brings down the value of this place that we all respect.

Maybe you can see this place as just the intarwebs, but I don't. I see an extremely polite buisness. It's also one of the only places I can meet people who don't bore me instantly. I'm extroverted to the extreme, but also completely anti social. I come here to deal with people whom I want to, not have to. And that's just the HOP.

This site has college study scales of information. All for free. People with experience education, and personal passion are willing to not only give you an answer but to help you LEARN TO GET YOUR OWN INFORMATION!!! This is what people pay hundreds of thousands on in college. It's not about getting an answer, it's about developing the ability to learn.

Perhaps this is just the internets, but you can use this to better yourself, step up and be more than you thought you could. YOu can strengthen your ego and solidify your thoughts, or you can nurse poor behavior. Comming from "the streets", wall street, or main street or any damn other parkway or avenue you always have to obey the rules of the road, and if you don't like the rules get off or do something to get it changed. Don't complain about the people who put that road out there for you to take advantage of every day.

[dem beats 1,223]

I can be long winded PLZ?

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

I have responded to PM's prior to getting to this topic. But it appears much of what I would have said in one of my usual meandering and over done diatribes, was said. So let's all relax, focus on the audio and the cars, and try to find more information to make this place and each of us more skilled at this hobby.

[porkchop 304]

Think on one factor here. Everyone who moderate this place, the place you hold so dear to you, will all tell you one thing. M5 is probably the most giving and helpfull individual you could ever hope to bump into.

No one will defend him as it's a non issue. No one will close a topic or ban someone, the team here doesn't allow for martyrs. They would rather see you grow and contribute.

Here's a little story...

I had a job where after I made it through the probationary, I was put on an extended probation. I was furious, and when asked in a meeting with the department head I asked why this was nesicarry, and that the supervisor was playing favorites and let him know how much of a PITA she was blah blah blah.

He replied by saying, "She aparently does see you have the potential to improve. If it's justafied or not it really doesn't matter as you need to live up to the expectations of your supervisor. She could have simply said you don't pass muster."

After stewing on that for YEARS (it took so long because I'm dense and pridefull) I realized that my narritive and whining about her just made me look more incompitent, and in fact I wasn't living up to what I needed to be. Even if she was the worst supervisor in the world, and even though she did get transfered out, I was still in the wrong. It's not an easy lesson to learn.\

Rules are here. They are extremely crystal clear. Leinient hands moderate it in my opinion, and they only take action when someone brings down the value of this place that we all respect.

Maybe you can see this place as just the intarwebs, but I don't. I see an extremely polite buisness. It's also one of the only places I can meet people who don't bore me instantly. I'm extroverted to the extreme, but also completely anti social. I come here to deal with people whom I want to, not have to. And that's just the HOP.

This site has college study scales of information. All for free. People with experience education, and personal passion are willing to not only give you an answer but to help you LEARN TO GET YOUR OWN INFORMATION!!! This is what people pay hundreds of thousands on in college. It's not about getting an answer, it's about developing the ability to learn.

Perhaps this is just the internets, but you can use this to better yourself, step up and be more than you thought you could. YOu can strengthen your ego and solidify your thoughts, or you can nurse poor behavior. Comming from "the streets", wall street, or main street or any damn other parkway or avenue you always have to obey the rules of the road, and if you don't like the rules get off or do something to get it changed. Don't complain about the people who put that road out there for you to take advantage of every day.

wonderfully put!! bravo! too bad you are no where near the scope of my, well our issue at hand. thanks for your story and time, it was attempting to encourage me to understand a new way of approaching some of these issues, up until i read the entirety of it. you are on your own page, just typing away words of wisdom and tuff advice to something completly off topic of what i was saying. These guys are strengthening themselves, with a drive to change for the better. Understand ,in the start of this , he was indeed addressed in a poor manner for something that could of been handled more diligintly, in the ihop, wich was by definition , off topic, not clutering the site of great learning in any manner, the same place where folks choose to post partially nude boys in the shower or men wearing cut off jean shorts...... this is where he darkened the sites reputation of good punctuation? come on fellas, if you choose to give your time away writing advice toward this, at least don't waste it by writing on something that is not accurate.address what is at hand.

i was hoping to get up today and move on somewhat, after reading denims pm, i was prepared to make right with my bad, posting this thread, and move on. it makes t hard when i read all of these post that are a product of not reading into the entire situaation at hand.

i have pointed out before that it is apparent that the rulles are infractioned everyday, without any response. it is not about a rule or the unwillingness to abide by the rules, it is about a guy was saying whats up to someone wh i myself have stood up for and looked up to, asked advice from..... it was his poor manner of responding to him that sparked it all. it was this that i am addressing. then when it re-sparked back up, by him, the kid tried to get away from it again, only to be talked down on further. I readily acknowleged steves wrng doing in it. I openly mentioned my respect for the man and his job, i made an attempt to apologize for my over- reaction. the title of this thread asked a question. it did not state a unwillingness to obeye the rules. i will continue to do what i came here to do, learn, bond, and to grow.

I finished school with a diploma, i went on to get my associates degree, as well as four years of apprenticeship school to become a Journeyman Ironworker. my wife and I are the first ones in several generations of our family to have finished school or to own our home. I have brought many youth off the street and encouraged them to put drugs and violance behind them. daily helping with job searches and GED programs. In no way am i the weak individual that these comments might suggest. Nor is steve. he made small mistakes with his posting, grammar, spelling, punctuation..... but he was trying. no one had asked him to claen it up or to work on it more, before the first stab, " quite posting like a tard" , he reacted negatively in accordiance to this. then attempted to make good on it. I

I have mentioned a few times now that i look up to ///M5 for where he is, to him and to this board. i am not attempting to take him or his rep down. i was upset and and asked a question of who else had been through it before. i openly admitted i was in the wrong for the post , it could of been handled differently. i apologized for my actions as well as steve's. I think i am being very open here. open to advice as well as critisism. i am apologetic with the willingness to grow, please do not make a attempt to change what is at hand. that is wrong even if your intentions are golden.

i will cotinue to read this topic and choose to only responde if it is in a good light, otherwise, i think this is a dead subject. it was birthed by a poor desicion and does not need to be further bastarded along by further ones.

thank you for all of the input, today, after a cooling down period, i have further respect for this site, too bad i could not of been introduced to some of these folks in a better light.

it is important for folks to stick together.

chop

[///M5 2,833]

It's actually really, really simple. If you try to make a post that makes sense and really express your needs and opinions you will get a helpful answer. If you put no time or energy into your thought and blatantly disregard the terms & conditions of the site I will use just as much time in my response as you did in your initial thought. If the response is to whine then what is there to respect? If you don't try you don't deserve help. Remember this is a forum which means that EVERY thread should be there not only to help the OP, but ANYONE who searches and finds it. Simple forum etiquette gets you along way and if you don't understand that you have no place starting an argument over it either.

As for being mean or belittling perhaps you should look at it the other way. A stupid post, misinformation, or not following standard forum procedures is a huge slap in our face basically as a poster you are saying FUCK you I don't give a shit about your rules or desires but answer my damn question. I agree an appropriate response would be to be more patient, but that will only further promote that style of behavior on the site and it is nothing that any of us want.

I've got a deal for you. You guarantee that no more stupid threads or dumb posts get made and I'll be nice all the time. If not, then respect stays a two way street. If we (and the board) aren't respected don't expect me to respect the bitch who can't at least show us the respect. Really, really simple.

[///M5 2,833]

Oh, and you've never seen me be mean just to the point. When I am mean you will really know.

[porkchop 304]

It's actually really, really simple. If you try to make a post that makes sense and really express your needs and opinions you will get a helpful answer. If you put no time or energy into your thought and blatantly disregard the terms & conditions of the site I will use just as much time in my response as you did in your initial thought. If the response is to whine then what is there to respect? If you don't try you don't deserve help. Remember this is a forum which means that EVERY thread should be there not only to help the OP, but ANYONE who searches and finds it. Simple forum etiquette gets you along way and if you don't understand that you have no place starting an argument over it either.

As for being mean or belittling perhaps you should look at it the other way. A stupid post, misinformation, or not following standard forum procedures is a huge slap in our face basically as a poster you are saying FUCK you I don't give a shit about your rules or desires but answer my damn question. I agree an appropriate response would be to be more patient, but that will only further promote that style of behavior on the site and it is nothing that any of us want.

I've got a deal for you. You guarantee that no more stupid threads or dumb posts get made and I'll be nice all the time. If not, then respect stays a two way street. If we (and the board) aren't respected don't expect me to respect the bitch who can't at least show us the respect. Really, really simple.

fair enough in the whole of it. i am challenged here on which way i should respond.

i feel i should either inquire what it is you are reffering to, or just restate what he originally said.

Five, he had only asked you about your trip .... saying whats up.....in the ihop.

is there misinformation within that? Is it a stupid post or slao in the face to say whats up in the ihop?

i am not being a smart ass here, i really am wanting to have a sloid answer as to what he done wrong, in the begining, so i can explain it to him accordiningly, as well as to avoid it myself.

if there is other post or coments that he did wrong on, i was not aware of it and apologixe for the oversite and misdrawn conclusion that you was responding to his post in the ihop.

the disrespect that you are referring to, just for clarifacation, was what he went on to say afterwards , correct?

i totally understand the rest and to where as you and i know there will always be some body that does break the rules delibertly, i can never gaurantee that..... i do assure you i will continue to try to learn and uphold the actions deemed acceptable on here.

i hope as you read this, you understand my position on it in all aspects.... as a friend to him and as a member to this forum.

thanks chop.

[///M5 2,833]

I'd have to go back and re-read. Either way he over reacted to something I told him to stop 2x and he kept going on. 1 day vacation for that.

Let me draw an analogy. Someone comes to your house, you have a sign on the front door that says remove your shoes. It's winter and your visitor has snowy, wet dirty boots on. He walks in. You ask him at the door to remove his shoes. He doesn't and even argues with you. You ask again and are met with an argument. Now what do you do? You know what I'd do, that dipshit isn't coming into my home as that sort of respect is not acceptable.

Oh and it had NOTHING to do with asking about my trip.

[porkchop 304]

good enough.....

i rather your help,

over this topic.

over and out,

chop