Icons or sa 12's

[brandonf 9]

Which pair of subs would be better choice with a sundown saz 1500d in my case... 2 12" SSA Icons or 2 Sundown SA-12's..

I currently have:

Car: 96 Volvo 850 GLT (currently have seats down, but will be removing back speakers/firing the ports up toward the rear deck)

2 x 12" Infinity Kappa Perfect 12vq (4 ohm)

1 x Infinity Reference 1600a (600w x 2 ohm)

Qlogic Type 2 Slot Vent, Double 12" Hatchback Enclosure, 1.50 cu.ft. X 2, Tuned to 37 Hz

I just purchased a saz 1500d, which i'll be running at 2ohm for now until I can get new subs, and a new box depending on which subs. I also got a spool of 1/0 welding wire to do the big 3, and extra for a trunk battery when I get the new subs. I listen to mostly rap/r&b.. occasionally rock/classic hits..

so, 2 icons or 2 sa 12's.. i know both are excellent choices..

[subw123 11]

Which pair of subs would be better choice with a sundown saz 1500d in my case... 2 12" SSA Icons or 2 Sundown SA-12's..

I currently have:

Car: 96 Volvo 850 GLT (currently have seats down, but will be removing back speakers/firing the ports up toward the rear deck)

2 x 12" Infinity Kappa Perfect 12vq (4 ohm)

1 x Infinity Reference 1600a (600w x 2 ohm)

Qlogic Type 2 Slot Vent, Double 12" Hatchback Enclosure, 1.50 cu.ft. X 2, Tuned to 37 Hz

I just purchased a saz 1500d, which i'll be running at 2ohm for now until I can get new subs, and a new box depending on which subs. I also got a spool of 1/0 welding wire to do the big 3, and extra for a trunk battery when I get the new subs. I listen to mostly rap/r&b.. occasionally rock/classic hits..

so, 2 icons or 2 sa 12's.. i know both are excellent choices..

if it was me i would go with the sa 12

[brandonf 9]

I will probably go with 2 sa-12's.. but should I keep the current box or get a new one?

My box spec:

Qlogic Type 2 Slot Vent, Double 12" Hatchback Enclosure, 1.50 cu.ft. X 2, Tuned to 37 Hz

Sa-12 recommended specs:

1.75 ft^3 ported tuned to 30 Hz -- F3 of 26 Hz

* Tune higher and use a smaller box for more SPL oriented setup (Use 1 - 1.5 cubes)

* Enclosure can be as big as 2.25 ft^3 with lower power levels

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Which pair of subs would be better choice with a sundown saz 1500d in my case... 2 12" SSA Icons or 2 Sundown SA-12's..

I currently have:

Car: 96 Volvo 850 GLT (currently have seats down, but will be removing back speakers/firing the ports up toward the rear deck)

2 x 12" Infinity Kappa Perfect 12vq (4 ohm)

1 x Infinity Reference 1600a (600w x 2 ohm)

Qlogic Type 2 Slot Vent, Double 12" Hatchback Enclosure, 1.50 cu.ft. X 2, Tuned to 37 Hz

I just purchased a saz 1500d, which i'll be running at 2ohm for now until I can get new subs, and a new box depending on which subs. I also got a spool of 1/0 welding wire to do the big 3, and extra for a trunk battery when I get the new subs. I listen to mostly rap/r&b.. occasionally rock/classic hits..

so, 2 icons or 2 sa 12's.. i know both are excellent choices..

if it was me i would go with the sa 12

Any particular reason?

[patented17 21]

The SSA subs, are the lame.

J/k

[ncacoates 104]

My personal opinion would be I-cons. Not the i am against sa-12s but i feel the I-con is far more tested and proven product. They sound great and have some outstanding lows.

[Sir-Lancelot 216]

SSA then dump that prefab box in a pond and build a real box.

[bigrank916 72]

Why dont people want to build their own boxes? I didnt think I could make mine either at one point. Then I asked a local shop to build one for me and they told me the price...Ive been building my boxes ever since.

Oh ya. I vote sa-12.

Edited October 1, 2009 by bigrank916

[acex3a 5]

SSA has never served me wrong love the sq they have all around awesome product plus great service

[brandonf 9]

Why dont people want to build their own boxes? I didnt think I could make mine either at one point. Then I asked a local shop to build one for me and they told me the price...Ive been building my boxes ever since.

Oh ya. I vote sa-12.

Because I already have a box 'close' to the recommended.. just tuned a bit high.. I will be building a new box though with the ports pointing upward to fire into the rear deck, but will use the current box for now. The original question about the icons vs. the sa-12's was more about the power handling. I know the sa-12's can handle the power from the saz 1500d.. but is it too much for daily? I'm pretty sure overpowering the sa-12's with the gains down would sound better than underpowering the icons..

I understand it's more of the box design that matters for SPL or SQ and I also understand these are both SQ-based speakers, but both have the ability to go low/loud. I've heard tons of great things about the Icons, and most are going up to the Xcons because they sound incredible... however, I haven't heard much about the SA-12's. It seems like most people are doing massive 4-12-16 sub setups, but haven't seen any reviews on a dual subs other than one SQ setup.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Why dont people want to build their own boxes? I didnt think I could make mine either at one point. Then I asked a local shop to build one for me and they told me the price...Ive been building my boxes ever since.

Oh ya. I vote sa-12.

Because I already have a box 'close' to the recommended.. just tuned a bit high.. I will be building a new box though with the ports pointing upward to fire into the rear deck, but will use the current box for now. The original question about the icons vs. the sa-12's was more about the power handling. I know the sa-12's can handle the power from the saz 1500d.. but is it too much for daily? I'm pretty sure overpowering the sa-12's with the gains down would sound better than underpowering the icons..

I understand it's more of the box design that matters for SPL or SQ and I also understand these are both SQ-based speakers, but both have the ability to go low/loud. I've heard tons of great things about the Icons, and most are going up to the Xcons because they sound incredible... however, I haven't heard much about the SA-12's. It seems like most people are doing massive 4-12-16 sub setups, but haven't seen any reviews on a dual subs other than one SQ setup.

What? There is no such thing as under powering. I know Jacob makes a great product and the SA's are a great choice, just trying to understand the reasoning on choosing one driver over the other.

[Notorious97200 339]

1500 watts : that would be very good for 2 Icons in the right enclosure.

I can't tell about the sa 12, but the Icons are fantastic woofers. I love my 15' Icon, and eventually I will upgrade to an Xcon!!!

[brandonf 9]

I have read around quite a bit on the forums before posting, checked tons of profiles for current setups, read every thread I could find on the 1500d... but the amount of weird facts about car audio over the past several years has me questioning everything.

1500d does ~1500w at 1 ohm... icons are rated at 1k rms, I would want an amp that does ~2k rms to fully power those subs, correct?

In my head, please correct if I'm wrong.. but the sa-12's rated at 600w rms would blare off the 1500d more than the icons would.. meaning louder/lower..

In terms of power handling, I'm assuming the SA-12's would be a better choice. I personally want the Icons, I just think the SA-12's have the ability to go louder/lower on the saz 1500d. <--- Again, please correct if wrong.

[Notorious97200 339]

take the Icons, you will love them !!!

[Thumpper 266]

I have read around quite a bit on the forums before posting, checked tons of profiles for current setups, read every thread I could find on the 1500d... but the amount of weird facts about car audio over the past several years has me questioning everything.

1500d does ~1500w at 1 ohm... icons are rated at 1k rms, I would want an amp that does ~2k rms to fully power those subs, correct?

In my head, please correct if I'm wrong.. but the sa-12's rated at 600w rms would blare off the 1500d more than the icons would.. meaning louder/lower..

In terms of power handling, I'm assuming the SA-12's would be a better choice. I personally want the Icons, I just think the SA-12's have the ability to go louder/lower on the saz 1500d. <--- Again, please correct if wrong.

the Icons don't need a full 1000w rms to turn on..I have installed them with only 500w rms each and they do really well

I would much rather put the Icons on that amp...the bass will drop better and you will have less chance of damaging the

suspension from over pushing the mechanics of the woofer....

[Quick_Kid 0]

i vote the sa-12