kicker cvx 10's

[dustin420 0]

anyone have any experience with kicker cvx 10's? if so how did they peroform? what box and what amp did you use? im wanting to know cause im trying to trade my brother for his 2 10's. he has them in prefab sealed boxes ran off some pioneer 500wrms amp and they get pretty loud but he has a trans am hatchback. im thinking of trying them in my trunk car with a 3cf ported box tuned to 32hz with my re12.1 for power so around 500wrms each. any opinions welcomed.

[mbarber25 29]

no experience with cvx's but i do with cvr's.. and they actually sounded pretty good

the cvr's are a lower version of the cvx's so they should be a tad better, maybe not, but logically they should be

my boy jaycee on here has 3 of them in a ported box and will tell u all about em once he sees this so it wont be long for a better answer

but.. i had 12's and his are 12's but the motors are the same.

Edited July 11, 2009 by mbarber25

[jcarter1885 995]

yeah i have heard all three size cvx's, I have 3-12's and a friend who has 2-15's. overall im very impressed with these subs(first sub I ever bought, then upgraded to a rockford fosgate p3 12", then to 2-12" cvx's to 2-12" pioneer premiers and now im back at 3-12" cvx's so you see my passion for them), any size will be good for what you want to do.

I personally say do it and as long as that box is 3 ft^3 after port and sub displacement then you should be cool. since he is your brother if you dont like it better than your system you have now then Im sure he will trade back, but once you get them in a ported box and a stronger amp you will enjoy the upgrade.

[dustin420 0]

im sure therell be loud enough to the ear im just worried about low end shake your body bass. im used to an AA atlas 15 ported tuned to 30hz so switching to 10's makes me wonder although i know the box is more important than the size of the sub when it comes to how loud the sub plays. do cvx's like to be tuned higher? like 35hz or would 30hz work also.

[jcarter1885 995]

30Hz will be the perfect medium, I have mine tuned to 26hz and Im loving them but I wouldnt recommend anybody tune that low unless you like it or listen to screwed music but I luv the lows thats why I went that route. Yeah the size of the sub wont matter, they all will play low just depends on the box. I would say go for it and have fun, plus all my friends are jealous of how low my subs get even my friend who has the two cvx 15"s; trust me they will get down and have a great time doing it.

[///M5 2,833]

30Hz is too low for the CVX's not at all what they were designed for. 26 is absurd and leaving a ton of output on the table and gains no benefit in the FR. Considering you want it to shake, I'd tune those in the range of 35-38Hz.

[Duran 387]

I agree with Sean, CVX's are much louder with a bit higher tuning. I tune to 35 Hz. myself.

[jcarter1885 995]

30Hz is too low for the CVX's not at all what they were designed for. 26 is absurd and leaving a ton of output on the table and gains no benefit in the FR. Considering you want it to shake, I'd tune those in the range of 35-38Hz.

well considering what you want then yeah 35 hz is too low, everyone has their opinions and preferences. I luv how my cvx's sound and impress everybody who hears them, just because thats how you feel doesnt mean its the wrong thing to do. I was telling him the systems Ive heard with these speakers in them, talking from actual experience and not what I would do if it were my system. He asked a question and I answered it with experiences(factsand opinions). I really dont care about numbers, maybe when I build a system to compete then yeah I will tune 35Hz or higher but thats not me right now. Why when someone answers a question their wrong on this forum instead of just saying what you would prefer and moving on (instead of helping and providing good info from all members we would rather talk down on someones opinions and answers, I wasnt wrong I just told him what I would prefer, he said would 30 hz work as well and I said yes. Now if he wants impressive numbers then go for the 35Hz or higher.

26Hz is not absurd at all, but Im glad you feel that way.

Edited July 11, 2009 by jay-cee

[Duran 387]

30Hz is too low for the CVX's not at all what they were designed for. 26 is absurd and leaving a ton of output on the table and gains no benefit in the FR. Considering you want it to shake, I'd tune those in the range of 35-38Hz.

26Hz is not absurd at all, but Im glad you feel that way.

In a car it really is pointless. Unless you listen to pipe organ music nothing will go that low.

[jcarter1885 995]

Well thats what you guys feel and I feel anoher way and I didnt tell him to tune that low just told him how low mine is tune and it sounds great, my subs play everythng at that level great. Even when sitting next to my friend with the same setup but his tuned at 30Hz, on certain songs my subs hit notes lower than his which I luv and he luvs, so like i said everyone has their preference. I wish you could hear it but even if you did you would still have something negative to say. But everyone has to be right and thats cool, Ive seen people tuned to 27 or 28Hz but its funny that Im at 26Hz and im wrong and my install is pointless and absurd. why even make test tone cd's that go that low if anythng 26Hz or under is absurd, why does Image Dynamics rate their subs frequency all the way down to 10 Hz (now I definatly wouldnt tune my box lower than 25 Hz if I had an Image Dynamic sub), someone exlain this to me so I can feel wrong. I know you cant hear the lower Hz but your car can damn sure feel them and I luv to see my car taking on those low hertz.

Dustin,

The only problem with tuning low is that it's gonna take more power to get louder(like a higher tuned box) but you will demolish those low notes, which is the opposite for higher tuned boxes (you will still hit the low notes) but it will take less power to get loud. My subs dance sexy in my box compare to other people's, but 26 hz which I never told you to tune to is too low for the cvx 10"s.

Kicker CVX 12"s have a frequency from 20-500Hz (so 26hz is not pointless), now the 15"s frequency is from 18-500Hz (26 wouldnt be pointless in this application neither), now for the 10"s it would be pointless since the frequency is 24-500Hz.

Tuning a box lower will make the bass deeper, shake all the panels on the car crazy, make the subs look like their going to jump out the box and felt from a further difference(not that I want people to feel it but thats how bass works), tuning a box higher will make the bass sound louder with less power.

I even seen a dude who has 2-12" cvx's on youtube tuned to 38Hz or higher and it hits harder and is gonna get better numbers than mine due to the tuning and thats what he prefered and not what I want, to me I dont like how it sounds. I hate subs that play at 35 Hz or louder (home applications and car applications , just my .02). What you prefer is what you should tune to, determine that if you want SQ or SPL (loud hard hitting bass or low sledge hammer bass).

I hope I could help you but try to listen to different boxes with different tunning and see what you prefer or what your goals are and if that fits then go for the gusto.

[///M5 2,833]

The Fs on the 10" is 33.6Hz, it would be absurd to port them that low. If you want an enclosure ported that low it is fine but you really should look for a woofer designed for it. Makes no sense at all.

[jcarter1885 995]

So your saying anybody who tunes below the Fs is being absurd with their enclosure, so some of the people on this forum with a ported enclosure in their system is setup wrong. I see people tuning below the Fs on this website alot (the nightshades and the xcon(FS=31.3) people are tuning them to 28-30 and 31). Explain it to me so I can understand, you know more than me and thats why Im trying to clarify; hope it doesnt seem like I wanna argue or just be an arseho because Im not. The more information I get the better I can become. thankx

Lets take Kicker CVX 12" for example: So should people tune to any number between the frequency response which is 20-500Hz (no where more than 50Hz) or tune above the Fs of the CVX which is 26.4?

Or as long as you tune above 30Hz you dont have to worry about those numbers, its just preference or what your goal for your system is?

Edited July 12, 2009 by jay-cee

[dustin420 0]

tuning below the fs of a sub just means you have a major spike in impedance rise. which really hurts cause you loose a lot of power. im think if i get theses subs ill just tune to 33hz im sure i won't loose that much low end if any. 2 10's will have a slight sd advantage over a single 15 and ill be running a lot more power from 400 to one 15 to 500each to 2 10's so im sure itl all work out. now for the port do you think a single 5inch pvc port would be enough or should i go with 2 4inch pvc ports?

[RobClay 20]

30Hz is too low for the CVX's not at all what they were designed for. 26 is absurd and leaving a ton of output on the table and gains no benefit in the FR. Considering you want it to shake, I'd tune those in the range of 35-38Hz.

26Hz is not absurd at all, but Im glad you feel that way.

In a car it really is pointless. Unless you listen to pipe organ music nothing will go that low.

Stuff i listen to goes alot lower than 26

But no i wouldnt tune a box that low.

[///M5 2,833]

I didn't say exclusively based on the Fs. Model them both and tell us why your option is better IN a car.

[jcarter1885 995]

I didn't say exclusively based on the Fs. Model them both and tell us why your option is better IN a car.

If that is directed towards me then I can say the only reason why I did tune my box this way is because I never heard anybody who had a box tuned this low, the lowest I heard in person was around 30 Hz. Personally I thought it would be more of a temporary box then permanent, thats why I bought extra mdf so I could make another one; I even researched and couldnt find anybody online or youtube lower than 28Hz. Then I looked up all the specs on the 12" cvx's and notice they could do 20-500Hz and the FS was 26.4; so I thought why not just go for 26Hz. After building the box and putting the subwoofers in and adding power, me and my buddies who were into car audio were more than impressed so thats how the box became permanent. It was everything I wanted, the best lows and bass; I had the best of both worlds. When the subs were placed in my friends car, a smaller box tuned to 30Hz I was built the same way (one sub on top and two seperated by the port) I like the numbers and output it gave but wanted lower. I wouldnt make anybody else's box tuned this low but I will always keep this in mind when it comes to my boxes in a car just for my preference. I also have to switch up what I said earlier, I hate higher tuned boxes in cars with trunks because of the noise the trunk will give off; me and my friend have been trying to shut his trunk up for the last two years from that nasty noise on the outside and nothing seems to work (his is only caused by three 12"-CVR's). Meanwhile my trunk flexes all day long with no rattle whatsoever with only one method of dampening so far, which was also a plus in my book but it that is not the only sound dampening that will be done. I guess after hearing how deep and low the bass is in SUV's it always made me shoot for a way to get a car to sound like one with the system being in the trunk and not in open air; honestly I think I got as close as I could without to much sacrifcing from output. My friend also kinda had the same theory as me with trying to get a sytem in a trunk to sound like a SUV, he went with two 15"s tuned to 29 or 30 Hz (which i know is two different boxes, amps, cars, installers and setups) but we both love how much lower my sytem got compared to his; which till this day he is changing up his system so it can get lower than mines. All that may sound stupid or whatever but I never knew what I wanted because I only thought 18"s got the lowest and then 15"s; when it came to vehicles I always noticed that SUV's got lower than cars in every scenario so then I was told 12"s could do the same just depends on the box and install. Thats when I sat down and just did a science experiment and at the end of the day it worked out perfect for me.

Yeah I do know that Im losing hella output which is good but not the most important aspect to me in car audio, the sound that it gave off was impressive while still getting loud. Once I get my SAZ-2000D in I will make a video and get metered, I would love to compete but I want another vehicle were I can put multiple 15's or 18's in and get great numbers with higher hz than what my box is.

I do have a question for you (most companies on this forum) only rate the subs Fs, how far down would you go to tune your box or does it mattter just depends on what your goals (output or low deep bass). If a sub has a Fs of 38Hz or higher is ok to tune around 30-32 but you will lose some output or what? thankx for all the input and sorry for getting this off topic.