xcon vs dd 3500

[grizzleyadams69 0]

does the xcon sound nicer? im assuming so just because its a sq based woofer but i dont know for a fact. and how do they compare in spl? this guy i know has 4 15" dd 3500s with about 1300 - 1400 rms going to each one and metered a 153 on the termlab. would that be a do-able score with 4 15" xcons on their rated 1750 rms?

[Tyan 1]

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Hello Grizzley, first off welcome to the site. Second, it is impossible to tell what a person's score will be just based on equipment. Third, you are comparing a mid level SPL driver (DD) to a high end SQ driver (SSA), two very different drivers in their design and performance abilities.

Will 4 15" Xcon's be loud? Sure, they will be very loud, but that is all dependent on the install itself. (See Pound That Sound's current build log.)

Will DD 3500's sound good? Beats me, I have only seen and heard them in street level SPL vehicles.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

yeah i know. my next install i want to be a big one. put the fi bl's aside, and step up my game. i like it loud but i dont like it sounding like ass. so i figured id look for a high end sq driver that wont completely kill my wallet. so thats when i thought the xcon might be a good choice. obviously its not going to be cheap, but im not about to go spend a rediculous amount of money for a re xxx or anything else along that line. although the xcon is fairly new, i figured id ask to see if anyones heard 2 18" xcons or 4 15s or something and ask what kind of spl it was looking at. i want to be able to listen to something that hits 150 db and actually enjoy the way it sounds.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

and im not asking if MY setup will achieve 150db+, i just simply want to know if u guys think 4 15" xcons or even 2 18" xcons are capable of doing 150+ while being put into an appropriate daily box and tuned for a daily driver (low to mid 30s). i dont need everyone to be like O WELL THERES SOOOOOOOOOOO MANY VARIABLES, THERES NO WAY I COULD EVER POSSIBLY GIVE U AN EXACT ANSWER. just based on the info i gave u, tell me if its do-able. im not gonna hold anyone to their answers. i just want to hear some predictions of whether or not 150 db+ sounds legitamate on music for that particular daily setup.

Edited May 25, 2009 by grizzleyadams69

[REVpuggie 23]

two BL's , 12 inch or larger should be capable of doing 150's ...I think you should think about where your troubles are .

amping ,wiring , setup will be a large part of why your not doing them 150's ,post that and it will give way more insight

you can always put heavier stuff in your trunk but its up to you to make it work right ....if your not doing that it will be pointless to invest in equipment

[Mark LaFountain 1,054]

and im not asking if MY setup will achieve 150db+, i just simply want to know if u guys think 4 15" xcons or even 2 18" xcons are capable of doing 150+ while being put into an appropriate daily box and tuned for a daily driver (low to mid 30s). i dont need everyone to be like O WELL THERES SOOOOOOOOOOO MANY VARIABLES, THERES NO WAY I COULD EVER POSSIBLY GIVE U AN EXACT ANSWER. just based on the info i gave u, tell me if its do-able. im not gonna hold anyone to their answers. i just want to hear some predictions of whether or not 150 db+ sounds legitamate on music for that particular daily setup.

I would say yes, for sure this could happen. Of course it's all install dependant, but I would say it's very attainable.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

two BL's , 12 inch or larger should be capable of doing 150's ...I think you should think about where your troubles are .

amping ,wiring , setup will be a large part of why your not doing them 150's ,post that and it will give way more insight

you can always put heavier stuff in your trunk but its up to you to make it work right ....if your not doing that it will be pointless to invest in equipment

like i said, i dont want it sounding like ass. personally i dont like the way my bl's sound. and yes im aware my bl's are capable of a 150.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

and im not asking if MY setup will achieve 150db+, i just simply want to know if u guys think 4 15" xcons or even 2 18" xcons are capable of doing 150+ while being put into an appropriate daily box and tuned for a daily driver (low to mid 30s). i dont need everyone to be like O WELL THERES SOOOOOOOOOOO MANY VARIABLES, THERES NO WAY I COULD EVER POSSIBLY GIVE U AN EXACT ANSWER. just based on the info i gave u, tell me if its do-able. im not gonna hold anyone to their answers. i just want to hear some predictions of whether or not 150 db+ sounds legitamate on music for that particular daily setup.

I would say yes, for sure this could happen. Of course it's all install dependant, but I would say it's very attainable.

thank you :clap: . it so damn difficult to get yes/no answers on forums!

[ncacoates 104]

and im not asking if MY setup will achieve 150db+, i just simply want to know if u guys think 4 15" xcons or even 2 18" xcons are capable of doing 150+ while being put into an appropriate daily box and tuned for a daily driver (low to mid 30s). i dont need everyone to be like O WELL THERES SOOOOOOOOOOO MANY VARIABLES, THERES NO WAY I COULD EVER POSSIBLY GIVE U AN EXACT ANSWER. just based on the info i gave u, tell me if its do-able. im not gonna hold anyone to their answers. i just want to hear some predictions of whether or not 150 db+ sounds legitamate on music for that particular daily setup.

Honestly man i run 2 15 x-cons and im getting a 145.1 with 1100w so at one third of there power handling they are doing those numbers i think it is very possible to get in the 150 range. Not to mention my box is tune to 30hz so its not meant for huge numbers.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

and im not asking if MY setup will achieve 150db+, i just simply want to know if u guys think 4 15" xcons or even 2 18" xcons are capable of doing 150+ while being put into an appropriate daily box and tuned for a daily driver (low to mid 30s). i dont need everyone to be like O WELL THERES SOOOOOOOOOOO MANY VARIABLES, THERES NO WAY I COULD EVER POSSIBLY GIVE U AN EXACT ANSWER. just based on the info i gave u, tell me if its do-able. im not gonna hold anyone to their answers. i just want to hear some predictions of whether or not 150 db+ sounds legitamate on music for that particular daily setup.

Honestly man i run 2 15 x-cons and im getting a 145.1 with 1100w so at one third of there power handling they are doing those numbers i think it is very possible to get in the 150 range. Not to mention my box is tune to 30hz so its not meant for huge numbers.

145.1 on a termlab?

[ncacoates 104]

yep sure was oh and that's at the headrest as well. does do a little better at the windshield but i forget the numbers.

[xx24xx 0]

DD 3500 series are fantastic subs. The end result will be determined by the box and power. You can go for SPL, LOUD SOUND QUALITY or SQ. They outperform many many many subs. DD subs are hand built to order and use top notch materials, built by "cool dudes".

I've never had a chance to give these xcons a listen, but the 3500s are definately not something to pass on without giving them a listen.

What vehicle are you putting these in? Budget? How far are you willing to go to get max output from subs?

[grizzleyadams69 0]

DD 3500 series are fantastic subs. The end result will be determined by the box and power. You can go for SPL, LOUD SOUND QUALITY or SQ. They outperform many many many subs. DD subs are hand built to order and use top notch materials, built by "cool dudes".

I've never had a chance to give these xcons a listen, but the 3500s are definately not something to pass on without giving them a listen.

What vehicle are you putting these in? Budget? How far are you willing to go to get max output from subs?

looking at getting an explorer. dont really have a budget, but i dont have the money yet either. gonna do a bunch of medical studies to get my money together. im thinking 250+ amp alt, 3 kinetik 2400s, 2 runs of 0 gauge to back, big 3, 2 AQ 3500D's. <--- all thats almost for sure but im willing to make changes if i have to. then ill either roll with 2 18" spl subs (thinking btls, level 5s, or something along those lines), OR 4 15" sq subs (thats where the xcons come in), IF i can make a box big enough to fit in the explorer. i still want the 2nd row seats. and at this point im really leaning towards the xcons just cause i dont feel the sound of spl subs cut the cake. but i dont want to trade for loudness, i want loud and sexy sound =]. havent decided on compenents yet, but that wont be that difficult to decide on.

Edited May 25, 2009 by grizzleyadams69

[grizzleyadams69 0]

and to answer your question xx24xx of how far im willing to go for this, im willing to spend some dough, but i want this to be all for music for my everyday vehicle. i really dont care about competing, i just want a badass setup for myself. but i want the back seats, taking them out is completely out of the picture. and i heard 4 15" 3500s with 1300 - 1400 rms going to each one, and i thought it was great but i thought it should have just sounded a lil better. thats why im thinking xcons.

Edited May 25, 2009 by grizzleyadams69

[Mark LaFountain 1,054]

XCONs will get your task done! Plus it helps support SSA as a business and web site, and we do appreciate it

Plus you get virtual 24/7 customer service with us. Have DD try that one.

[///M5 2,833]

personally i dont like the way my bl's sound

Assuming that they are in a logical box this would make me not even be interested in the DD side of your comparison.

And either in a box designed for the task should be able to hit your goal, it will be up to you to make that happen though.

[grizzleyadams69 0]

personally i dont like the way my bl's sound

Assuming that they are in a logical box this would make me not even be interested in the DD side of your comparison.

And either in a box designed for the task should be able to hit your goal, it will be up to you to make that happen though.

i think im gonna build another box for my bl's to see if they sound any different before i make my final decision. i had it in a fairly small box so i know that couldnt have helped the sound at all.

[nick_19 1]

What box are your BL's in right now...

[grizzleyadams69 0]

What box are your BL's in right now...

well it was in a 4 cubic foot box. and that was for 2 15s. it was my first custom box i had built for me, and i asked for 6 cubes. when i got it, i knew it looked small, so i measured it all myself and it came to 4 cubes after displacement. which is retarded small for a pair of 15s. in fact im ambarrased that i didnt call them out before i even brought the box home. but i ended up getting my money back for the box since it wasnt what i asked for. and back when i got the bl's, i was suuuper noob and didnt really know what a 6 cubic foot box even looked like. i just assumed they had it right. so yeah im definitly gonna make a new box for just one 15 and put it in my friends jeep to see how it sounds.

[///M5 2,833]

the box is more than 80% of the sound, don't shop at all until you do that right

[grizzleyadams69 0]

the box is more than 80% of the sound, don't shop at all until you do that right

i know. but ive heard enough systems to know what spl subs sound like.

[///M5 2,833]

the box is more than 80% of the sound, don't shop at all until you do that right

i know. but ive heard enough systems to know what spl subs sound like.

I'll say it one more time, the 3500's don't belong on your list if you are implying that you won't like the BL's.

[Jay-C76 333]

If you want LOUD bass that doesn't sound like azz when it drops thru the scale...

SSA all the way.....

If you actually like to listen to music...I mean really listen...

SSA all the way....

What good are loud subs if you can only listen to 1/4 of your library?

Fi has real peakish graph readings. (hit a few notes loudly)

SSA is a more flat relative response on the graphs.

Thus SSA would be the way to go!

[nick_19 1]

I don't understand how you would attempt to drop hundreds of dollars on subs when you haven't tried your subs in a different box...

I've built 6 boxes in the past year alone to find the right one. The box makes a massive difference in how subs perform/sound/etc.

Getting rid of those subs at this point in time would be ridiculous. Not attempting to diss SSA in ANY way, but I think you should play around with what you have right now a little more before parting with them...

Also, attempting to do 150 dB while sounding good enough for a daily driver is not an easy task. You need to know what you are doing.

Having two 15's in a box someone else built (and built wrong) is a ways away from 150+ daily... miles away.

Edited May 26, 2009 by nick_19