Moving on

[mccandlish_t 0]

Hello,

I am a daily driver moving on from my Kicker 15 L7 in a ported 3.5 ft box in my 94 s10 blazer powered by a 1000 watt hi fonics amp and wanting something that gets loud yet sound alot better than the L7. I've been thinking of a sealed 15 Q with a kicker zx 1000.1. sealed because i dont only listen to rap, but it really annoyed me when my ported box missed notes that my friends subs hit. i wanted to spend in the $300-350 tops for my sub(s). Which Fi would you reccomend?

Thanks guys, I appreciate it.

Tim

[jonbearsmt 919]

Q

[kjones 2]

what was your box tuned to?

[mccandlish_t 0]

32 hertz

also, if im going with the kicker zx 1000.1, what ohm sub and would you add any extras? Thanks.

Tim

Edited January 29, 2009 by TimmyMac

[KU40 173]

what notes were your box missing but the others would hit? Were their boxes sealed or ported?

[lee 2]

32 hertz

also, if im going with the kicker zx 1000.1, what ohm sub and would you add any extras? Thanks.

Tim

Q sounds good, D1 wire it in series, dont need bp for that

[mccandlish_t 0]

what notes were your box missing but the others would hit? Were their boxes sealed or ported?

it was a ported 3.5 ft box tuned to 32 htz. it missed the high notes. it also sounded farty on some songs, the sq didnt tickle my eardrums, just the bass.

so thats the 1 ohm sub, but i dont need any of the upgrades you think? thanks.

Edited January 29, 2009 by TimmyMac

[rushnrun 14]

Missed the high notes....... that's the issue?

tune the box higher then..... or turn off your low pass filter...... being that it's a kicker mono amp the max on the low pass is set at 250hz (i believe)

How high of a note are you talkin...?

[lee 2]

what notes were your box missing but the others would hit? Were their boxes sealed or ported?

it was a ported 3.5 ft box tuned to 32 htz. it missed the high notes. it also sounded farty on some songs, the sq didnt tickle my eardrums, just the bass.

so thats the 1 ohm sub, but i dont need any of the upgrades you think? thanks.

i answered your question, you should try sealed

[mccandlish_t 0]

Missed the high notes....... that's the issue?

tune the box higher then..... or turn off your low pass filter...... being that it's a kicker mono amp the max on the low pass is set at 250hz (i believe)

How high of a note are you talkin...?

i didnt build the box, so making a new one would be a project, but more importantly my amp (1100 watt hifonics i think) and L7 blew out.

the kicker is the new amp im probably purchasing. specific songs i dont remember what it didnt hit, but definetly didn't get the job done. the sub sounded farty at times. all in all, i will never buy a hi fonics product again.

[rushnrun 14]

so what type of music do you listen to??

If you're looking for less boomy and tighter bass a sealed is the way to go.. But I'm just not real sure of your goals.

*the L7's aren't the best sounding anyway

[mccandlish_t 0]

i honestly listen to everything. it sounds good in all types of music is what is most important to me, but with a nice loud output as well., hopefully it will still set off car alarms.

[KU40 173]

Missed the high notes....... that's the issue?

tune the box higher then..... or turn off your low pass filter...... being that it's a kicker mono amp the max on the low pass is set at 250hz (i believe)

How high of a note are you talkin...?

i didnt build the box, so making a new one would be a project, but more importantly my amp (1100 watt hifonics i think) and L7 blew out.

the kicker is the new amp im probably purchasing. specific songs i dont remember what it didnt hit, but definetly didn't get the job done. the sub sounded farty at times. all in all, i will never buy a hi fonics product again.

Don't blame the hifonics for the farty sound or lack of high notes. The amp has nothing to do with those if the crossovers are set correctly. They may be overrated, but that's another topic. Honestly I think most of your problem was just the L7. I've never liked the way those sound, and it's mainly because they've always sounded farty. Plus if the L7 was an older model, those liked pretty big boxes, so I'm sure 3.5 cubes was kinda choking it.

[mccandlish_t 0]

the L7 was an 06 I think, black cone, looked better IMO. Its possible it was just the L7, and a chitty box, but the car installer explained it to me that my amp fried my sub. after i heard that i said fudge hi fonics.

what im lookin at:

15 Q dual 1 ohm+ kicker zx1000.1 + largest sealed box possible. Ive never built a box before, Im thinking of trying on this setup.

[rushnrun 14]

the car installer explained it to me that my amp fried my sub. after i heard that i said fudge hi fonics.

what im lookin at:

15 Q dual 1 ohm+ kicker zx1000.1 + largest sealed box possible. Ive never built a box before, Im thinking of trying on this setup.

User Error caused woofer failure... Amps don't just blow woofers they need some outside help (from the user). I won't get into details but you can't blaim the amp..

[KU40 173]

Indeed. The amp only sends power and it's up to you how much power gets sent. So if it blew, it's your fault, not the amp's. Amps can't blow subs just because they are lesser quality.

But the Q and Kicker amp sounds like a good combo.

Why do you want the largest sealed box possible?

[rushnrun 14]

**I failed to mention that your choices are good ones...

I dunno about some huge sealed box though.. the bigger it is the boomier/sloppier it will be (given it's outside it's optimum parameters)..

[mccandlish_t 0]

Indeed. The amp only sends power and it's up to you how much power gets sent. So if it blew, it's your fault, not the amp's. Amps can't blow subs just because they are lesser quality.

But the Q and Kicker amp sounds like a good combo.

Why do you want the largest sealed box possible?

i kinda assumed that the larger the sealed box, the louder, and then i assumed that any Q in a sealed box will sound better than a ported L7.

would you recomend the smaller size sealed encloser for this sub? what are your own personal recomendations?

thanks.

*when i say largest sealed box possible, im still talking what Fi reccomends*

Edited January 30, 2009 by TimmyMac

[mccandlish_t 0]

I've heard quite a few people say the Q doesnt hit the High notes very well, any testimonials? just when I thought i was almost sure about the Q...

[rushnrun 14]

What high notes are you wanting???

40 50 60 70 80 25,000 hz???

Subwoofers are intended to play low? You need to be more specific..

[mccandlish_t 0]

What high notes are you wanting???

40 50 60 70 80 25,000 hz???

Subwoofers are intended to play low? You need to be more specific..

i mean people are posting it doesnt hit the higher notes, like music that isnt rap if you can imagine that. i mean my L7 missed notes, i just thought it was a normal thing for ported boxes. i dont want my sub to miss ANY notes, high or low.

im still thinkning Q, but am a little scared that i will be sad it isnt as loud as my L7...

if i asked you to recomend a sub that is almost as loud/as loud/louder but also sounds alot better than the L7? maybe not as good as SQ as the Q...if such a thing even exists. Thanks guys, this is all much appreciated.

[dbjunior 0]

id say bl tuned around 3.5cu tuned 35hz should sound good and punchy. if you still dont get what you are looking at id look into upgrading your midbass.

[mccandlish_t 0]

yeah but i think i want to experiment with a sealed box this time, i really want to maximize the quality of my sound.

with my door speakers, it would be alot more work that i dont really know how to do: i have, if i remember right, focal 165a(# could be wrong) 6.5's in the rear doors, and up front either 5x7 or 4x6's, i dont remember, but those are infinities. with my doors the midbass sounds chitty, i have the bass at 0 if not in the negatives because if any bass arrises from the back doors it sounds like complete sh1t.

i want to build the box myself, and i think a sealed box is the easiest for a noob box builder anyways.

back to my question of the sub, do you have any reccomendations for a sealed sub louder than the Q, but more SQ than my L7, and still around 300-350 NEW? any input on what i should research next is appreciated.

also, you guys talk big about sound audio (could be wrong name, blanking out) amplifiers. im going for quality this time, but i cant break the bank, if you have a better suggestion than the kicker zx1000.1- about 450 with a 2 yr kicker warranty +3 yr extended, please, post here.

[KU40 173]

larger boxes are more efficient than smaller ones. However, their mechanical power handling is also reduced because the increased airspace cannot control the cone as well. So, for instance, if you only have 600 watts, you may want to build the largest sealed box because that 600 watts will get the sub to full output in the large box. But if you have 1000 watts, you may want to build a smaller box because the extra power will make up for the lost efficiency of the smaller box. But in that case you'd also want the smaller box to help control the sub so that it doesn't blow mechanically as easily.

Also, a sealed 15" Q will almost definitely not be as loud as a ported 15L7. But it will sound a lot better. The problem with most people not hitting the higher notes with the Q is when they put it into a ported box, i believe. I'm sure with a sealed box you'll be fine.

[mccandlish_t 0]

larger boxes are more efficient than smaller ones. However, their mechanical power handling is also reduced because the increased airspace cannot control the cone as well. So, for instance, if you only have 600 watts, you may want to build the largest sealed box because that 600 watts will get the sub to full output in the large box. But if you have 1000 watts, you may want to build a smaller box because the extra power will make up for the lost efficiency of the smaller box. But in that case you'd also want the smaller box to help control the sub so that it doesn't blow mechanically as easily.

Also, a sealed 15" Q will almost definitely not be as loud as a ported 15L7. But it will sound a lot better. The problem with most people not hitting the higher notes with the Q is when they put it into a ported box, i believe. I'm sure with a sealed box you'll be fine.

thanks buddy. so you would probably suggest a sealed box built in the middle of Fi's specs? as i stated, i wouldnt build anything larger than the recomended size, i was just thinking the largest sealed box Fi recomends, but if you guys think this adds to the chances of it blowing out then fux it. also, back to my main question as to if you have any recomendations for another sub i should research? what do you guys think of Diamond Audio and RE subs? if anyone has another amp i should check out for about the same price/warranty, let me know!