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[///M5 2,833]

They call them 29ers which IMO needs an apostrophe. It wasn't 29 inchers, but literally twenty niners

[///M5 2,833]

I wish they made 32'ers. Then my bike wouldn't look like a clown bike.

[Impious 1,476]

I wish they made 32'ers. Then my bike wouldn't look like a clown bike.

Until the clown got on it......

[ssh 924]

They call them 29ers which IMO needs an apostrophe. It wasn't 29 inchers, but literally twenty niners

So 26"ers doesn't require an apostrophe, but 29'ers does?

[ssh 924]

*Ducks for cover*

[///M5 2,833]

They call them 29ers which IMO needs an apostrophe. It wasn't 29 inchers, but literally twenty niners

So 26"ers doesn't require an apostrophe, but 29'ers does?

Ha, 26"'ers looks funny. Nobody calls them 26 inchers either.

[ssh 924]

Yeah I was just giving you shit since you just did. I haven't ridden the 29ers enough to feel 100% comfortable. I do remember it rolling over shit easier, and seemed to be quicker, but that could have been from the hard-tail vs full-suspension and weight differences.

[///M5 2,833]

Minimizing rotating mass is the only mass on a bike that matters at all. Exactly why I laugh my ass off at people with Carbon bikes and stock wheels. Of course making the big wheel mountain bikes sluggish in mass and gearing; however, the only thing that feels weird to me is the extra insecurity beginning a jump with an easier landing.

For me it's a matter of scaling. I'm a big guy, running a 700c wheel with a beefier hub makes sense. If you are under 5'6" or so I'd argue that using the 26" hoops from a mt bike is the most logical at some point of course it becomes necessary.

There are some oversized custom wheels and they can be had, tires are just hard. Still makes me want to have a frame built with some. Everything scaled to a normal bike so from a distance it looks like everyone else riding their bike, but the closer you get the more wtf you feel.

And yeah, then take it to Japan.

[dem beats 1,223]

I wish I knew more about bikes. They are wizardry to me.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Minimizing rotating mass is the only mass on a bike that matters at all. Exactly why I laugh my ass off at people with Carbon bikes and stock wheels. Of course making the big wheel mountain bikes sluggish in mass and gearing; however, the only thing that feels weird to me is the extra insecurity beginning a jump with an easier landing.

For me it's a matter of scaling. I'm a big guy, running a 700c wheel with a beefier hub makes sense. If you are under 5'6" or so I'd argue that using the 26" hoops from a mt bike is the most logical at some point of course it becomes necessary.

There are some oversized custom wheels and they can be had, tires are just hard. Still makes me want to have a frame built with some. Everything scaled to a normal bike so from a distance it looks like everyone else riding their bike, but the closer you get the more wtf you feel.

And yeah, then take it to Japan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=648evy0bA2k

[ssh 924]

I'd argue that frame and component weight does matter, but isn't nearly as significant as rotating mass of wheels.

That's the other thing with the 29ers is you sit more upright which is probably better for your back. I know way too many people who raced road-bikes, and now have back issues.

[dem beats 1,223]

I think it's more that obsession with shaving grams that really won't make a difference. In the penultimate top class, perhaps, but even then I would mostly doubt it.

The other thing is I doubt most racers train on their carbon ultra race bikes. They put you in a position for aerodynamics but not comfort.

[ssh 924]

I agree to some extent, but if you shave enough grams off enough parts it adds up. Though like Sean said it's pointless if it's taken from the frame and components first rather than the wheels.

[dem beats 1,223]

Grams = kilograms

I get that, but the the force required to overcome even a kilo is minute on a rolling frame.

[///M5 2,833]

The easiest way to make your bike lose 0.5 lb is for you to take a big piss before you ride. And yes, it'll have exactly the same result on your time slips unless you were so uncomfortable having to piss you couldn't ride. Changing the rotating mass however has more of an effect, albeit it small as well.

Confidence, how you feel, jumping/tossing/doing other shit with your bike may change. Speed, not so much.

[///M5 2,833]

<- says the guy with the sub-20 lb HUGE steel bike

[///M5 2,833]

Amusingly, it's less than 1.5lbs heavier than a $5k Trek in 62cm.

[ssh 924]

The easiest way to make your bike lose 0.5 lb is for you to take a big piss before you ride. And yes, it'll have exactly the same result on your time slips unless you were so uncomfortable having to piss you couldn't ride. Changing the rotating mass however has more of an effect, albeit it small as well.

Confidence, how you feel, jumping/tossing/doing other shit with your bike may change. Speed, not so much.

I don't believe 0.5lb would make any difference, but shaving off 0.5lb from components in conjunction with a frame that's 4lbs lighter, and I believe you would be hard-pressed not to notice a difference.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

Supposed to get "butt fucking cold" starting Tuesday. Hell we might even get frost!

[ssh 924]

Though I'm beginning to just be anal.

[///M5 2,833]

The easiest way to make your bike lose 0.5 lb is for you to take a big piss before you ride. And yes, it'll have exactly the same result on your time slips unless you were so uncomfortable having to piss you couldn't ride. Changing the rotating mass however has more of an effect, albeit it small as well.

Confidence, how you feel, jumping/tossing/doing other shit with your bike may change. Speed, not so much.

I don't believe 0.5lb would make any difference, but shaving off 0.5lb from components in conjunction with a frame that's 4lbs lighter, and I believe you would be hard-pressed not to notice a difference.

Good luck shaving 4lb's off a frame. Either way, same effect as taking 4 lbs out of your backpack.

[ssh 924]

I haven't done math in six months, and I've completely forgot everything. Need to start refreshing before next semester.

[ssh 924]

The easiest way to make your bike lose 0.5 lb is for you to take a big piss before you ride. And yes, it'll have exactly the same result on your time slips unless you were so uncomfortable having to piss you couldn't ride. Changing the rotating mass however has more of an effect, albeit it small as well.

Confidence, how you feel, jumping/tossing/doing other shit with your bike may change. Speed, not so much.

I don't believe 0.5lb would make any difference, but shaving off 0.5lb from components in conjunction with a frame that's 4lbs lighter, and I believe you would be hard-pressed not to notice a difference.

Good luck shaving 4lb's off a frame. Either way, same effect as taking 4 lbs out of your backpack.

Indeed it is. I mean the price difference is exponential, but 16lbs bike vs 20lbs--c'mon.

[dem beats 1,223]

Sean what camera are you using for DSLR and why?

J, same thing?

I just want to pick up on the pulse of people using them. It looks like I have a chance to win a 60D kit if I am a super rockstar.....

[dem beats 1,223]

Anyone using DSLR chime in please.

Especially if you toyed with FF vs cropped frame. I went cropped because of price myself. I'm thinking I may have wanted to go FF if I buy another personally. What do you all feel?