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[dem beats 1,223]

Wait... I stand corrected. Bush was a lot funnier and in way better shape than Obama.

[dem beats 1,223]

I hope this works

http://onion.com/Rgd4g1

[dem beats 1,223]

Fawk. Can someone please embed that? I can't get the link right from my phone I almost peed myself laughing.

[lithium 358]

[lithium 358]

i'd probably cut my hand off

[///M5 2,833]

Well, if bringing the troops back is suppose to cut military spending, then why did Romney publicly say in the debate that he wants to INCREASE the military budget by $2.1 Trillion dollars.

You do realize that military spending is not all defense. Much of it is research. And that research pretty much developed every cool technology that you can't live without.

I know, but.. with all the money the country has spent and continues spending...

Then one year, lets say a certain % of soldiers is brought back here. Let's say that's the % we were waiting for.

Well, if the military budget were to still continue being spent\funded the way it was when we deployed all these soldiers over there, then that would be plenty of money for research, etc..

But, in the end.. we do not work in the government so we just sit back as spectators and comment on what we think we know..

Most of the time i just give up. Isn't anything we can do..

That isn't the spending I am worried about. Big government and useless social programs are WAY more wasteful.

*just like military and infrastructure SOME social programs are necessary....just not many. Our current dipshit administration has no idea on what is good and bad in this regard.

[///M5 2,833]

If you look at the situation we have had 2 presidents who have nearly the EXACT same agenda. Almost identical. Bush passed a shit load of law under the patriot act. It's here, and he tried to push through a healthcare agenda. He failed but Obama is working that out now. Obama didnt overturn anything Bush did and increased most of the same spending habits.

Add Carter to those two and you have the 3 worst presidents in history. By FAR!

Of course, Bush was a Christian Coalition Democrat. Talk about picking the worst of both sides. Ugh.

[///M5 2,833]

i'd probably cut my hand off

The only part that made me depressed in my knife skills in that was the peeling. That dude was FAST.

A real knife helps. He isn't holding a beast as even he doesn't want to pull the edge off his real knives for an apple.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

*looks up from mopping*

*grunts and continues mopping*

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Well, if bringing the troops back is suppose to cut military spending, then why did Romney publicly say in the debate that he wants to INCREASE the military budget by $2.1 Trillion dollars.

You do realize that military spending is not all defense. Much of it is research. And that research pretty much developed every cool technology that you can't live without.

I know, but.. with all the money the country has spent and continues spending...

Then one year, lets say a certain % of soldiers is brought back here. Let's say that's the % we were waiting for.

Well, if the military budget were to still continue being spent\funded the way it was when we deployed all these soldiers over there, then that would be plenty of money for research, etc..

But, in the end.. we do not work in the government so we just sit back as spectators and comment on what we think we know..

Most of the time i just give up. Isn't anything we can do..

And this is why we are in the situation we are in. Over the years, people have become lazy and indifferent. They do not care about the very Constitution which was designed to protect the people from the government. People just "give up," and we have the predicaments we have now.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

*looks up from mopping*

*grunts and continues mopping*

Suck it up. You could be sitting at home not collecting a paycheck. Then again, you could also be sitting at home collecting more money that you are making now thanks to the re-elected asshole.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

IMO, we are quickly going the way of these third world countries we try to "save." I foresee a revolution in our lifetime.

[SS Teacher 177]

I'm sure many would consider me looney for this, but I agree with Ron Paul's foreign policy, or what would be.

I want Ron Paul's policy to work, but it's too simplistic. I did vote for him in the primary, however.

[SS Teacher 177]

IMO, we are quickly going the way of these third world countries we try to "save." I foresee a revolution in our lifetime.

I see us more going the way of Europe, but many of them are facing huge financial problems and are having to cut back on their social programs, which often results in rioting.

[ssh 924]

I'd be interested to know how many people are actually abusing the system now than what they could in the past.

I hear you all cry lazy people, yet that isn't always the case.

Last week my uncle told me something ironic. His co-worker's sister stopped by, dropped her four kids off, and left. Now clearly she's a piece of shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if she is indeed abusing some form of aid, but I can't say it's any different then the past. Any way. The co-worker tells my uncle that he has no idea what to do with them, he can't afford it, etc. He calls CPS, or the alike to take them away to some foster care center. The agency offered him a stipend for each kid, so now he can raise them in a semi-normal household.

Personally I don't mind my tax dollars helping him out, but maybe that makes me support the lazy. Perhaps he should have got another full time job, or let the kids go into foster care.

[Godsmack 361]

Well, if bringing the troops back is suppose to cut military spending, then why did Romney publicly say in the debate that he wants to INCREASE the military budget by $2.1 Trillion dollars.

You do realize that military spending is not all defense. Much of it is research. And that research pretty much developed every cool technology that you can't live without.

I know, but.. with all the money the country has spent and continues spending...

Then one year, lets say a certain % of soldiers is brought back here. Let's say that's the % we were waiting for.

Well, if the military budget were to still continue being spentfunded the way it was when we deployed all these soldiers over there, then that would be plenty of money for research, etc..

But, in the end.. we do not work in the government so we just sit back as spectators and comment on what we think we know..

Most of the time i just give up. Isn't anything we can do..

That isn't the spending I am worried about. Big government and useless social programs are WAY more wasteful.

*just like military and infrastructure SOME social programs are necessary....just not many. Our current dipshit administration has no idea on what is good and bad in this regard.

Part of that spending is also to pay us. The Officers are paid VERY well, Warrant Officers are paid damn well too. Enlisted aren't paid worth a damn until they E-7. Promotion from E-4 to E-5 all the way up till E-9 is a numbers game. No guarantee you will make it, EVEN IF you are the bets man for the job.

Additionally we have people all over the globe. Gotta pay to move, feed, house (and their family if married), train and if needed deploy those people.

When Katrina hit, best bet your ass people didn't complain about National Guard AND Active Duty Soldiers showing up to help out. To move people, to move damaged homes, to help clear the way for other help to come in. Best bet nobody bitched when the company they worked for got a Multi-Billion dollar contract to move equipment or supplies with a quickness.

Point is if anything needs to be done for defense spending, they need to pay the regular Enlisted Soldier more.

J

[///M5 2,833]

IMO, we are quickly going the way of these third world countries we try to "save." I foresee a revolution in our lifetime.

I see us more going the way of Europe, but many of them are facing huge financial problems and are having to cut back on their social programs, which often results in rioting.

The problem with going the way of Europe is that we've all been exposed to the American dream. This means we are going to go the way of countries like Greece and not Germany. If work ethic is intrinsic then socialism can work, when it's not it is a major fail. Europe proves this everyday

[///M5 2,833]

I'd be interested to know how many people are actually abusing the system now than what they could in the past.

I hear you all cry lazy people, yet that isn't always the case.

Last week my uncle told me something ironic. His co-worker's sister stopped by, dropped her four kids off, and left. Now clearly she's a piece of shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if she is indeed abusing some form of aid, but I can't say it's any different then the past. Any way. The co-worker tells my uncle that he has no idea what to do with them, he can't afford it, etc. He calls CPS, or the alike to take them away to some foster care center. The agency offered him a stipend for each kid, so now he can raise them in a semi-normal household.

Personally I don't mind my tax dollars helping him out, but maybe that makes me support the lazy. Perhaps he should have got another full time job, or let the kids go into foster care.

Dude you are blindfolded.

Just within a few miles of my inlaws farm there are at least 1000 "employed" illegal aliens. They claim unemployment (not even sure how that fucking works) all summer long, take their field work check at the end of summer and go back to Mexico for the winter. This is a seriously small subset.

My nephew knocked up a girl who is now 22ish and has 4 kids. She is having kids so she doesn't have to work. Why? We have a program that ENCOURAGES that behavior. IMO, that is NOT who we want to encourage to have kids.

Then look at the people who are running from their mortgages. Not because they have to, but they can. It is fucking ridiculous. And yes, guess who gets to pay for it.

Some people NEED help. Let's give it to them and punish the others.

As for the lazy, have you looked at the work force lately? Spoken to a high school kid about being employed? Or just generally looked around at jobs that you personally wouldn't do? It is a telling story.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Almost snapped at BoA. They knew of an issue with the online banking not showing correct balance for the past 6 months with business accounts, but it took 75 minutes and 7 different customer service people to tell me that they have no idea when it will be fixed and they are sorry they did not inform me and the best way for me to know corporate card balance is to call.

[pmureika 31]

And you wonder why we are 17trillion in debt.

[ssh 924]

I'd be interested to know how many people are actually abusing the system now than what they could in the past.

I hear you all cry lazy people, yet that isn't always the case.

Last week my uncle told me something ironic. His co-worker's sister stopped by, dropped her four kids off, and left. Now clearly she's a piece of shit, and I wouldn't be surprised if she is indeed abusing some form of aid, but I can't say it's any different then the past. Any way. The co-worker tells my uncle that he has no idea what to do with them, he can't afford it, etc. He calls CPS, or the alike to take them away to some foster care center. The agency offered him a stipend for each kid, so now he can raise them in a semi-normal household.

Personally I don't mind my tax dollars helping him out, but maybe that makes me support the lazy. Perhaps he should have got another full time job, or let the kids go into foster care.

Dude you are blindfolded.

Just within a few miles of my inlaws farm there are at least 1000 "employed" illegal aliens. They claim unemployment (not even sure how that fucking works) all summer long, take their field work check at the end of summer and go back to Mexico for the winter. This is a seriously small subset.

My nephew knocked up a girl who is now 22ish and has 4 kids. She is having kids so she doesn't have to work. Why? We have a program that ENCOURAGES that behavior. IMO, that is NOT who we want to encourage to have kids.

Then look at the people who are running from their mortgages. Not because they have to, but they can. It is fucking ridiculous. And yes, guess who gets to pay for it.

Some people NEED help. Let's give it to them and punish the others.

As for the lazy, have you looked at the work force lately? Spoken to a high school kid about being employed? Or just generally looked around at jobs that you personally wouldn't do? It is a telling story.

There will always be people who abuse aid, I just don't know how many people now are able to abuse it because of Obama then in the past.

I admit that's something I don't know, and I should.

[dem beats 1,223]

J I am sorry if I sounded like we shouldn't spend as much on military, especially on enlisted wages. That is why I hammered home that my argument has nothing to do with the amount or anything similar. Just that bush and Obama are so similar that it is stupid to say Obama will bring teh hope and change but bush was a tyrant and evil.

Mitt is way way way way more liberal than I like for that matter. When it comes to budget that is.

I was leaving my opinion out of it, just to make a point.

In my childhood I grew up in the most violent and extremely poor neighborhood around. In 95, I beleive it was, had more handgun murder than anywhere globally. My neighbor took in kids to get checks so she wouldn't have to work. Got paid extra to take on kids with development issues. My neighbor now does something similar.... this is a much nicer neighborhoods where I live now.

More than 75% of the kids I went to school with were below the poverty line. After government funding the families would make as much if not more than my mother did. Only they DIDN'T have to get up every morning to get the checks. That rubs off on the kids. And it cripples the parents soul to not work but take funds. They made so much more not working that people with drive to work were put in a place that it made more sense to just stay home. Then comes the booze. And the kids again see that.

In my highschool we had a fantastic basketball team, and it is so sad that that was 90% of the young mens only effort. If they couldn't make millions playing ball, then why try? I helped toutor one of our teams best players, he did go on to play pro. He plays in Germany right now I think, and it is a sad but lucky thing because he read at an elementary level as a senior.

I grew up watching and living how the hand out programs work. They don't. Some people do need help, but givimg peoe money to do nothing never pays off.

[ssh 924]

On to more personal excitement, I'm back to eating like a boss. 4500kcal ftmfw.

[dem beats 1,223]

Stefan the point is more than Obama isn't doing anything to influence the change he spoke about. Nothing to change our nations dependence on a few people who work to pay for a lot who don't.

And something that is maybe more true when it comes to corruption than anything else is that it only takes a few rotten apples to spoil the whole bunch. Our leaders should be doing something to influence us to be productive and teach us how to inform ourselves. Encourage people wjo want to strive, not those who just want "good enough".

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Stefan, let me paint a picture for you.

My mother works for the state for Child Protective Services. She handles everything from food stamps, to housing, child care, and all government aid. She reports over 100 fraudulent cases per year. Out of those, only three get investigated. It costs the state too much money to investigate versus just handing out the money. Now, she is one of 22 people in our county who does this. So let's cut this in half and assume there are 1000 cases per county per year, and there are 22 counties in Indiana, so there's 22000 cases in one state and this is just what is being caught, and only 50 will be investigated. Do the math, and you understand the problem.