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[///M5 2,833]

this would be so bad ass to haul the lincoln around to far shows

http://austin.craigs...3339252004.html

Bad ass indeed.

[///M5 2,833]

You guys are all crazy. I'll put my little Turbo 6 up against any V8 or V10 and stomp the hell out of it.

Come race me in the snow

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Hey ihop,

I'm buying a new truck. I have narrowed it down to an f150 4x4

For about the same price I can get the turbo v6 or 5.0L v8

Gas milage is almost the same and I use a company gas card anyway. I plan to tow some here and there but the specs look very close. Any thoughts on which engine I should get?

My BIL has a 2011 Crew cab 4x4 with the Ecoboost. It does everything a big V8 will do, but it does it quietly. I have a buddy who has a 2012 Crew cab 4x4 with the 5.0. He liked it better than the Ecoboost. Go drive each one, they are about the same, but the Ecoboost is what I would choose for a daily driver.

[///M5 2,833]

Whomever "modded" that lighting was retarded.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

V8 > turbo 6 in general. If all factors are the same including mpg.

And the coyote 5 liter can get a lot of powa from a fee bolt ons if you are into that. We know the V6 can get more power too but the tune may cost you a warranty. More moving parts mean more headaches..... and if you still want a turbo.... well you can just add one later!!!!

V8 turbo > v8 na > 6turbo

:-D

I can't say I totally agree here, but the Coyote is a beast. The Ecoboost guys are making big power now too. Bolt-ons can potentially ruin the warranty just as much as a tune. A little harder to prove, but still. . .

[Tirefryr 1,742]

I'm leaning towards the v8 anyway. Turbo with flowmasters just isn't the same. Mod motors are not the sound as the old 5.0s either. I loved my old 5.0 with 40 series.

My old GT sounded great with Flowmasters. Hell, every Mustang I've owned has had Flowmasters. There are simple ways to tune the sound though

http://s424.photobucket.com/albums/pp327/tirefryr/GT/?action=view&current=Picture034.mp4

[Tirefryr 1,742]

how long has the v6 turbo been out? i would steer clear if its within the first few years.. ford has never hard a problem with using customers and test dummies for technology

Every manufacturer does this. It's not limited to any one company, nor does any one company do it more.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Steve you will like the V8 much better in the long run for what you are doing. The V6 is a great motor for someone who is going to use their truck as a daily truck and very little work, kinda like me.

He's talking about the twin turbo V6, not the naturally aspirated one.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

You guys are all crazy. I'll put my little Turbo 6 up against any V8 or V10 and stomp the hell out of it.

Ford v6 or Buick v6?

The Ford 3.8 is pretty much a copy of the Buick 3.8.

[sandt38 448]

FWIW, I would steer clear of the Ecoboost. Until the manufacturers (I am not just bagging on Ford here, either) get the issues with direct injection figured out, it should scare you, as a consumer, away.

[sandt38 448]

You guys are all crazy. I'll put my little Turbo 6 up against any V8 or V10 and stomp the hell out of it.

Ford v6 or Buick v6?

The Ford 3.8 is pretty much a copy of the Buick 3.8.

No offense, but not even close. The 3.8 Ford is a terribly unreliable motor. The 3.8 Buick is, by all accounts, one of the most reliable gasoline engines of all time.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Whomever "modded" that lighting was retarded.

The guy was an idiot anyways. Those Turbo4.3s are NASTY and don't weigh shit.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

You guys are all crazy. I'll put my little Turbo 6 up against any V8 or V10 and stomp the hell out of it.

Ford v6 or Buick v6?

The Ford 3.8 is pretty much a copy of the Buick 3.8.

No offense, but not even close. The 3.8 Ford is a terribly unreliable motor. The 3.8 Buick is, by all accounts, one of the most reliable gasoline engines of all time.

The Buick 3.8 is very reliable, I will agree with you there having owned several myself. I will disagree with you on the reliability of the Ford 3.8, again having owned several myself, with two of them nearing 300K and never doing anything than routine maintenance. As for them being alike, there was an article in Popular Hot Rodding many moons ago about this and they had drawings showing the architecture of both and a former Ford engineer comfirming they had pretty much copied the Buick. I will attempt to find this when I have some time.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

pffft, turbocharged motors don't need mufflers! :peepwall: :lol:

[nem 2,019]

Watching some old slasher movies.

[nem 2,019]

Funny how the effect of these movies go.

[nem 2,019]

We did find out that our haunt does have a spirit that roams the building.

[sandt38 448]

You guys are all crazy. I'll put my little Turbo 6 up against any V8 or V10 and stomp the hell out of it.

Ford v6 or Buick v6?

The Ford 3.8 is pretty much a copy of the Buick 3.8.

No offense, but not even close. The 3.8 Ford is a terribly unreliable motor. The 3.8 Buick is, by all accounts, one of the most reliable gasoline engines of all time.

The Buick 3.8 is very reliable, I will agree with you there having owned several myself. I will disagree with you on the reliability of the Ford 3.8, again having owned several myself, with two of them nearing 300K and never doing anything than routine maintenance. As for them being alike, there was an article in Popular Hot Rodding many moons ago about this and they had drawings showing the architecture of both and a former Ford engineer comfirming they had pretty much copied the Buick. I will attempt to find this when I have some time.

Head gaskets:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ford+3.8+liter+head+gaskets&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Bent connecting rods:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ford+3.8+liter+bent+connecting+rods&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

I can appreciate that you, and many people you may have known have owned them and been happy with them, but I saw at least a couple hundred head gasket failures and bent connecting rods on these cars/vans.

By contrast, I have had to replace 1 stock 3800 Buick motor (and it was so terribly sludged up due to lack of maintenance that the crankshaft had sliced slots in the sludge caked in the pan) and never saw another one done. I bet I haven't seen 5 head gaskets blown on them. Now, they do have their issues, I won't deny that. But with regards to major internals, no issues.

I was stunned when I tore the rod out of my first 3.8 Ford. The I beam was tiny, no wonder it pretzeled. I am actually surprised I have not seen more bent then I have,

[sandt38 448]

We did find out that our haunt does have a spirit that roams the building.

Is it named whiskey?

[///M5 2,833]

We did find out that our haunt does have a spirit that roams the building.

Is it named whiskey?

I actually figured it was rum noting the poster

[Godsmack 361]

We did find out that our haunt does have a spirit that roams the building.

Is it named whiskey?

He speaks with an accent. We named him Scotch.

J

[nem 2,019]

We did find out that our haunt does have a spirit that roams the building.

Is it named whiskey?

I actually figured it was rum noting the poster

We did find out that our haunt does have a spirit that roams the building.

Is it named whiskey?

He speaks with an accent. We named him Scotch.

J

Good guesses guys, but the lady referred to him as "Mr. Janitor". She claims he watches over us while we work. I spend a lot of time there and get the feeling of being watched, but nothing that made me think about a spirit watching me. Who knows maybe he likes me?

[Tirefryr 1,742]

You guys are all crazy. I'll put my little Turbo 6 up against any V8 or V10 and stomp the hell out of it.

Ford v6 or Buick v6?

The Ford 3.8 is pretty much a copy of the Buick 3.8.

No offense, but not even close. The 3.8 Ford is a terribly unreliable motor. The 3.8 Buick is, by all accounts, one of the most reliable gasoline engines of all time.

The Buick 3.8 is very reliable, I will agree with you there having owned several myself. I will disagree with you on the reliability of the Ford 3.8, again having owned several myself, with two of them nearing 300K and never doing anything than routine maintenance. As for them being alike, there was an article in Popular Hot Rodding many moons ago about this and they had drawings showing the architecture of both and a former Ford engineer comfirming they had pretty much copied the Buick. I will attempt to find this when I have some time.

Head gaskets:

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a

Bent connecting rods:

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a

I can appreciate that you, and many people you may have known have owned them and been happy with them, but I saw at least a couple hundred head gasket failures and bent connecting rods on these cars/vans.

By contrast, I have had to replace 1 stock 3800 Buick motor (and it was so terribly sludged up due to lack of maintenance that the crankshaft had sliced slots in the sludge caked in the pan) and never saw another one done. I bet I haven't seen 5 head gaskets blown on them. Now, they do have their issues, I won't deny that. But with regards to major internals, no issues.

I was stunned when I tore the rod out of my first 3.8 Ford. The I beam was tiny, no wonder it pretzeled. I am actually surprised I have not seen more bent then I have,

Interesting. As far as similarity, I was not speaking about rotating assemblies. Ford has pretty much always sucked there, aside from a few good forged components on certain performance vehicles. I know the 3.8 SC cars got beefy rods and oil squirters. I am surprised to see the rods bent due to them being powdered metal. I would think they would break before bending.

[sandt38 448]

We did find out that our haunt does have a spirit that roams the building.

Is it named whiskey?

He speaks with an accent. We named him Scotch.

J

I prefer the fella with the Kentucky accent... You know... Bourbon.

[sandt38 448]

You guys are all crazy. I'll put my little Turbo 6 up against any V8 or V10 and stomp the hell out of it.

Ford v6 or Buick v6?

The Ford 3.8 is pretty much a copy of the Buick 3.8.

No offense, but not even close. The 3.8 Ford is a terribly unreliable motor. The 3.8 Buick is, by all accounts, one of the most reliable gasoline engines of all time.

The Buick 3.8 is very reliable, I will agree with you there having owned several myself. I will disagree with you on the reliability of the Ford 3.8, again having owned several myself, with two of them nearing 300K and never doing anything than routine maintenance. As for them being alike, there was an article in Popular Hot Rodding many moons ago about this and they had drawings showing the architecture of both and a former Ford engineer comfirming they had pretty much copied the Buick. I will attempt to find this when I have some time.

Head gaskets:

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a

Bent connecting rods:

https://www.google.c...lient=firefox-a

I can appreciate that you, and many people you may have known have owned them and been happy with them, but I saw at least a couple hundred head gasket failures and bent connecting rods on these cars/vans.

By contrast, I have had to replace 1 stock 3800 Buick motor (and it was so terribly sludged up due to lack of maintenance that the crankshaft had sliced slots in the sludge caked in the pan) and never saw another one done. I bet I haven't seen 5 head gaskets blown on them. Now, they do have their issues, I won't deny that. But with regards to major internals, no issues.

I was stunned when I tore the rod out of my first 3.8 Ford. The I beam was tiny, no wonder it pretzeled. I am actually surprised I have not seen more bent then I have,

Interesting. As far as similarity, I was not speaking about rotating assemblies. Ford has pretty much always sucked there, aside from a few good forged components on certain performance vehicles. I know the 3.8 SC cars got beefy rods and oil squirters. I am surprised to see the rods bent due to them being powdered metal. I would think they would break before bending.

I have read about them breaking (If you look at the Jasper Bulletin it is titled "breaking") but I have never seen it. The intake gasket will pop, leaking into the front 2 cylinders, and when you go to crank it the rod just lets go. By contrast the GMs with intake leaks will just hydrolock it.