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I wached my damn head yesterday before work and all night my arm and leg would feel tingly. Guess I may have pinched a nerve in my neck, but hey I have one hell of a lump!

Sucker is pretty tender today.

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I wached my damn head yesterday before work and all night my arm and leg would feel tingly. Guess I may have pinched a nerve in my neck, but hey I have one hell of a lump!

Sucker is pretty tender today.

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I get the premise of what you guys are talking about for the diets but in both the eat stop eat and in low carb situations you are using extreme measures to condition out bad behavior.  In fact for a lot of peopleI would recommend lower or no carb diets.  Or only eating from x time to y time.  However in every case it's because of practical reasons and not because it's the best diet.  It's all pragmatic and not nearly the most efficient.  It is however a suitable means to an end.

In every single case the consumption of many meals throughout the day with a properely balanced menu is the best format for our bodies to perform optimally.  However without discipline it almost always leads to poor food choices.

I have read more studies and more books than I can even name.  I've helped work out diets for dozens of people for different goals and work out programs.  I ran a nutrition store for a couple years and have been in the community for much much longer.  From triathlons to competitive runners and peddlers tl power lifters and body builders the optimization of diet is minute from he basic plan of 6 meals a day.  Some need more carbs at certain times some don't.

I have case studied myself on measuring an exact meal structure.  Then adding and subtracting one variable at a time and testing.  I ate the same meals basically for every meal for 2 years.  Sunday's I took of and at as I pleased so long as I grazed all day.  This was only for mental health reasons.

What did I find?  That no diet produces better results than many balanced meals a day.  From there it's merely fine tuning to your results.  My room mate who was already "lifting" plateaud.  After a nudge in proper work out protocol and diet help gained 30 pounds and lost body fat.  Bench went from 130 to 250 for 6-8 reps.  If he listened and ate properly he could sink into single digit fat percentages, but that isn't his primary goal and for him the results are good enough.

Love your premise.  I tried it myself and decided.

Was going to post before, but personally I think you guys should NOT read any of the books you've got Stefan.  The idea's that I hear you come up with regularly are seriously biased and strange.  I tried to make it simple before and pointed out how to eat, Matt is pretty much confirming the same thing.

of course the most critical is to listen to your body.

The subject is tough in the sense that most people don't understand how the body works, and so many contradictory studies only add to the mayhem.

Perhaps everything I believe is completely wrong, but one thing I've learned growing up in this world is not everything always seems to be the way it is, and I've ran into enough health stuff to take most shit with a grain of salt.

So I'm taking it upon myself to learn.

For what it's worth. The book I read about paleo style eating and lowcarb is written by a biochemist who runs one of the top 30 gyms in the country, use to be a California power-lifting champ, has trained triathletes, Olympians, NASA, and USMC.

So if I'm going to simply just listen to someone, it's going to be him.

OK, you should know you just introduced a red herring. I never said word one about a paleo diet. Eating whole foods is the backbone of my entire diatribe. Also what Sean had mentioned so I'm not sure why you included that. Secondly this guy is selling his argument to you, I'm not. I'm going to glaze the "studied science" comment for my next post as I'm not sure how a degree factors in to anyone's knowledge base. It's paper, you know that. I made the comment that the fasting diet is not as effective as many meals a day. I'm not sure where you think science has not proven that. If you can discuss your direct goals then maybe it does make sense for some people. But it is by far not optimal for growth and overall health. I have conceded to you that it, and a ketosis based diet, offers extreme short term results. However you seamed to glaze over the entire human study of culture that shows either ketosis diets or fasting diets do not necessarily produce a leaner human. To ignore entire races and cultures in your argument and discuss one guy who "studied science" is kind of limp as an argument.Finally I am not sure what your assertion about what we don't know in the human body for the intent of this argument. Again, what is your goal and maybe I would re-evaluate. However from what I have understood the goal is to become stronger, more muscular, and maintain a lower BFP while staying healthy without the use of drugs. If I'm wrong in that is not your goal, then let me know.

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And I don't really like using one's experience as instant creditability, but he's actually studied the science, AND put it to the test, so I'll listen more to that then someone whose been going to the gym for 20 years, and hasn't learned shit.

....I'll assume that this wasn't a slight to me, but it sounds nearly 100% directed to me. When you say put it to the test you mean? I spent 2 years taking my blood after meals to find out insulin response. Adjusting to see what would yield results for my desired goals. Weekly blood tests to measure GH levels for quite some time, then monthly. I had to be checked for what they thought was cancer, so I had them do endocrine and IGF levels. It ended up free for me so why not?What I found to be true with me in blood work was true in real world application. If you don't try the most basic principal of eating many clean meals a day of balanced food then you simply do not know how it works for you. I'm not saying you should be a sheep and do as everyone else does. What I am saying is there isn't a magic bullet. The wizard of oz is just a midget behind a curtain yelling really loud. What works is grinding regular healthy meals and lots of time in the gym. Then tweak from there to best suit your needs. Sean has more fun with his method and eats a wild variety. I find that tough, so I eat 6 boiled chicken breasts a day with vegis and oatmeal or barley.Being married and working more than I have hours in a day has made me lazy. Also depression makes me fall off the horse and struggle. But any problems I have or anyone I have trained with can tell you it's only lack of dedication that makes the results sloppy.

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I will make a caveat. Lots of time in the gym means 3-4 hours a week BTW. More doesn't always mean better results when it comes to physique.

Now if your training for a sport....then the training goes through the roof. There is almost no ceiling at the higher end. As your then training technique, and technique during various stages of exhaustion.

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if this was the cast of rescue me I would have been much more inclined to watch.

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I am going to do a triple monitor set up. I just got 2 new video cards!

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My roomate just got done running his psuedo 3 monitor setup. 2 monitors and his 40" LED

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I was referring to Sean, not you Matt. It wasn't a red herring considering he simply said not to read the book, and he didn't know what the book was. It isn't related to fasting, just paleo diets.

Edited August 23, 2012 by stefanhinote

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Obviously both of us agree that whole foods are important. On a side branch, I also practice fasting which is entirely different then diet, and you guys find that to be negative. That's fine with me.

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And I don't really like using one's experience as instant creditability, but he's actually studied the science, AND put it to the test, so I'll listen more to that then someone whose been going to the gym for 20 years, and hasn't learned shit.

....I'll assume that this wasn't a slight to me, but it sounds nearly 100% directed to me. When you say put it to the test you mean? I spent 2 years taking my blood after meals to find out insulin response. Adjusting to see what would yield results for my desired goals. Weekly blood tests to measure GH levels for quite some time, then monthly. I had to be checked for what they thought was cancer, so I had them do endocrine and IGF levels. It ended up free for me so why not?What I found to be true with me in blood work was true in real world application. If you don't try the most basic principal of eating many clean meals a day of balanced food then you simply do not know how it works for you. I'm not saying you should be a sheep and do as everyone else does. What I am saying is there isn't a magic bullet. The wizard of oz is just a midget behind a curtain yelling really loud. What works is grinding regular healthy meals and lots of time in the gym. Then tweak from there to best suit your needs. Sean has more fun with his method and eats a wild variety. I find that tough, so I eat 6 boiled chicken breasts a day with vegis and oatmeal or barley.Being married and working more than I have hours in a day has made me lazy. Also depression makes me fall off the horse and struggle. But any problems I have or anyone I have trained with can tell you it's only lack of dedication that makes the results sloppy.

I could see where my last statement may have made you thought I was talking about you, but I wasn't. Just saying that just because someone has done the same thing for a long time doesn't always make them an "authority" on the subject to me.

Edited August 23, 2012 by stefanhinote

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According to a report in the Sydney Morning Herald, the new CEO of Mitsubishi Australia isn't mincing words, saying "the product is too old...the prices are too high."

Oshikiri took over the Australian branch of the Japanese automaker just ten weeks ago, and says the brand needs to be updating its product portfolio more quickly.

"I don't know why people by a Mitsubishi...What is the benefit?...I have to find out."

That's not a good sign...