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[lithium 358]

Why make it idiot proof? Instead educate the idiot.

haha, well he knows enough not to let the voltage drop too low.

also too much wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wub .... music

[MKader17 332]

Sounds like they are talking about what happens under a low carb diet then talk about what happens when you fast?

That's what I was thinking at first but by that logic that would also assume that we need to consume 500g (2000 Cal) of carbs every 12-24 hours to stop muscle breakdown

Oh and muscle breakdown from gluconeogensis isn't going to happen in 12-24h. Were talking days of not eating before that happens.

This seems more likely to me and the 12-24 is either a scare tactic or assumes a 0g fat (which would mean pure protein diet). I highly doubt they meant the latter.

[lithium 358]

Then it's his loss. 0dB signal and go

I still say show him how to blow it and how not. His choice. Conservative settings are stupid.

i think he'll be more open to some education after paying for the recone.

to give you an idea of what im working with here. he bought a 2000 dollar moped the summer. brand new with a whopping 50cc! oh and 400 dollar insurance for the year...

Edited August 23, 2012 by lithium

[MKader17 332]

Why make it idiot proof? Instead educate the idiot.

haha, well he knows enough not to let the voltage drop too low.

also too much wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wub .... music

At one point while listening to that I realized I had no idea if the noise I was hearing was distortion, mechanical noises or the actual music...

[lithium 358]

1. Can you swap coil configs?

2. Are the recones in the SSA store compatible with this model?

My brother is not knowledgeable at all with how his system functions and not interested in learning. What are some of the steps you guys take when setting up someones install so its more idiot proof?

1. You can choose either coil config when you order the recone.

2. I'm not positive but either way they should be able to get you one.

As far as setting up an idiot proof system. I set the gain with the HU all of the way up to assuming that they could turn it up all of the way as they don't know any better. And tell them that they are not aloud to adjust anything on the amp or the HU after you are done.

If it's a ported enclosure, you could also turn the ssf up a little, and back the gain down some on the amp.

Yes, you determine which coil you want, and the recones will fit the original Icon.

thanks!

[MKader17 332]

Then it's his loss. 0dB signal and go

I still say show him how to blow it and how not. His choice. Conservative settings are stupid.

i think he'll be more open to some education after paying for the recone.

to give you an idea of what im working with here. he bought a 2000 dollar moped the summer. brand new with a whopping 50cc! oh and 400 dollar insurance for the year...

holy shit. With that I could buy a street legal dirt bike and pay for insurance and gas for a years worth of campus traveling

[lithium 358]

Why make it idiot proof? Instead educate the idiot.

haha, well he knows enough not to let the voltage drop too low.

also too much wub wub wub wub wub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wubwub wub wub wub .... music

At one point while listening to that I realized I had no idea if the noise I was hearing was distortion, mechanical noises or the actual music...

same fore me, then i smelt some stank coming from the mj and got scurd

[lithium 358]

Top 20 most watched TED talks. love these!

http://blog.ted.com/2012/08/21/the-20-most-watched-ted-talks-to-date/

[dem beats 1,223]

I get the premise of what you guys are talking about for the diets but in both the eat stop eat and in low carb situations you are using extreme measures to condition out bad behavior. In fact for a lot of peopleI would recommend lower or no carb diets. Or only eating from x time to y time. However in every case it's because of practical reasons and not because it's the best diet. It's all pragmatic and not nearly the most efficient. It is however a suitable means to an end.

In every single case the consumption of many meals throughout the day with a properely balanced menu is the best format for our bodies to perform optimally. However without discipline it almost always leads to poor food choices.

I have read more studies and more books than I can even name. I've helped work out diets for dozens of people for different goals and work out programs. I ran a nutrition store for a couple years and have been in the community for much much longer. From triathlons to competitive runners and peddlers tl power lifters and body builders the optimization of diet is minute from he basic plan of 6 meals a day. Some need more carbs at certain times some don't.

I have case studied myself on measuring an exact meal structure. Then adding and subtracting one variable at a time and testing. I ate the same meals basically for every meal for 2 years. Sunday's I took of and at as I pleased so long as I grazed all day. This was only for mental health reasons.

What did I find? That no diet produces better results than many balanced meals a day. From there it's merely fine tuning to your results. My room mate who was already "lifting" plateaud. After a nudge in proper work out protocol and diet help gained 30 pounds and lost body fat. Bench went from 130 to 250 for 6-8 reps. If he listened and ate properly he could sink into single digit fat percentages, but that isn't his primary goal and for him the results are good enough.

[dem beats 1,223]

I'm not saying that your diet plans don't work. And for people who are newer to working out, especially resistance training gains come in exponential leaps. But after a year or so.... it is a brutal grind for fractions of an inch in growth or fat loss or many work outs before you can move the weight on the bar up.

Aaron I'm sure can vouch for that(I know he is a very experienced and disciplined lifter) and I know having just gone around 30 that what I did at 25 won't happen again. I'm positive I can get much larger and stronger.... and more lean. Muscle maturity is actually a cool thing. My work strength is massive compared to what I had at 20. Mind over muscle in action there.

What I'll never have back are my knees or shoulder. My running speed, heart capacity, or lung power.

It becomes ever more important to eat my vegetables and skip the pizza rolls. And make sure I keep the nutrients in constant flow. Before if I took to long to eat I would almost be hypoglycemic because I needed to keep the fires fueled. Now in addition to that feeling I also have massive energy loss. It's crazy. I can feel myself get the cranky hungry guy feeling. Same happens on a carb restriction diet. Our bodies adapt of course, but limiting potential is not the most direct rout to your goals IMHO.

[ricksi30 923]

Ehhh I'm fat, just trying to cut back and lose weight.

[sandt38 448]

So my friend gave me a book called "The New Glucose Revolution". I told him I would read it if he read "Eat Stop Eat" (Thanks Stefan).

So, on pg 18 it says in a low carb diet "you use up your total reserves of 500 grams of glycogen within the first few days". On the next page it states, "Once the body has used up glycogen stores (within 12 to 24 hours of beginning a fast), it will break muscle protein to synthesize glucose..."

It seems to me that those are contradictory statements, unless reserves and stores are different. Thoughts?

This book has "references" but too bad it doesn't cite the sources in the text.

Actually it breaks down fat to synthesize glucose. The body wants to create "sugar" as it is easier to metabolize.

I used the Dukan Diet, which uses a pure protein diet (based on the same principle), eliminating all sources of sugars. I lost weight/fat fast. It got me back down to my desired lifting weight, and loaded me with protein, which was awesome for starting my lifting routine again.

[ricksi30 923]

I must say that I like the pole vent. I do miss the made in the usa sticker though.

[ricksi30 923]

It was delivered in an Ia flatlyne box too. It was the worst packing of a sub that I have ever seen, there were several holes in the packaging but somehow it was okay!

[///M5 2,833]

Pretty unnatural.

What, pasteurized?

That and milk, although raw is WAY better. Pasteurized milk is pretty useless.

[///M5 2,833]

Back then people just died.

Not exactly.

Pre agricultural revolution we didn't have a strong idea of disease, virus, or most illness.

I'm not saying that agriculture didn't affect health but I think in general it has helped it. Close proximity living has killed more than farming. I.e. every plague ever. And leprosy.

Well that's what anthropology is for, forensic science is branched from it afterall, but honestly I don't know how they come up with their data and draw conclusions from something so long ego. Hopefully I'll become educated on that in the coming months.

And I would agree that the agriculture overall has helped. Allowed people to prosper, and devote their time to figuring out cool shit like math.

Although most of the cool math was figured out when people still died young.

[///M5 2,833]

I get the premise of what you guys are talking about for the diets but in both the eat stop eat and in low carb situations you are using extreme measures to condition out bad behavior. In fact for a lot of peopleI would recommend lower or no carb diets. Or only eating from x time to y time. However in every case it's because of practical reasons and not because it's the best diet. It's all pragmatic and not nearly the most efficient. It is however a suitable means to an end.

In every single case the consumption of many meals throughout the day with a properely balanced menu is the best format for our bodies to perform optimally. However without discipline it almost always leads to poor food choices.

I have read more studies and more books than I can even name. I've helped work out diets for dozens of people for different goals and work out programs. I ran a nutrition store for a couple years and have been in the community for much much longer. From triathlons to competitive runners and peddlers tl power lifters and body builders the optimization of diet is minute from he basic plan of 6 meals a day. Some need more carbs at certain times some don't.

I have case studied myself on measuring an exact meal structure. Then adding and subtracting one variable at a time and testing. I ate the same meals basically for every meal for 2 years. Sunday's I took of and at as I pleased so long as I grazed all day. This was only for mental health reasons.

What did I find? That no diet produces better results than many balanced meals a day. From there it's merely fine tuning to your results. My room mate who was already "lifting" plateaud. After a nudge in proper work out protocol and diet help gained 30 pounds and lost body fat. Bench went from 130 to 250 for 6-8 reps. If he listened and ate properly he could sink into single digit fat percentages, but that isn't his primary goal and for him the results are good enough.

Love your premise. I tried it myself and decided.

Was going to post before, but personally I think you guys should NOT read any of the books you've got Stefan. The idea's that I hear you come up with regularly are seriously biased and strange. I tried to make it simple before and pointed out how to eat, Matt is pretty much confirming the same thing.

of course the most critical is to listen to your body.

[///M5 2,833]

I also absolutely don't understand protein shakes. If you want protein drink a bowl of miso soup.

[dem beats 1,223]

Miso soup has a high amount of protein???

I supplement protein shakes. It's hard to get the levels of protein I desire without it. And whey is perfectly acceptable. It just shouldn't be the only source. When I can I get my whey protein with egg protein if it's possible.

They other factor is that I use whey usually in the tweaking of diets. Its a great way to get fast blast of amino acids into your body.

You are 100% correct in one basic assertion. We survive better on whole foods. The Inuit people have proven that we don't need carbs. Most civilizations grey up with meat based food not vegetation based food. However entire cultures like the Chinese and Japanese eat rice and centralize their diets around it. So we know you can be healthy on either side.

My one most important statement is that OPTIMAL eating habits involve many meals throughout the day and they should be balanced. Once you have a base line down, then fine tuning it becomes the way to squeeze out that last 10% or so. Every health coach will reinforce that philosophy. Especially if you are an athlete or looking to gain athletic ability.

Eating from one time to one time is a great way to compartmentalize your eating and steer you away from bad choices. The fasting past can also lead to accelerated short term fat loss. This is the same with any keto based diet. However it isn't going to be a long term forever weight loss program. If I meant you would shed all your fat the Inuit and Eskimo wouldn't be chubby... yet they are in the highest BFP cultures on earth. Lowest cardiac issues but that's based on the fish centric fatty acids, and has nothing to do with our discussion of changing your body composition for either looks or performance.

[ssh 924]

Pretty unnatural.

What, pasteurized?

That and milk, although raw is WAY better. Pasteurized milk is pretty useless.

Yeah I'd love to get some, but finding someone close, and relatively sanitary may prove to be tricky.

[ssh 924]

I get the premise of what you guys are talking about for the diets but in both the eat stop eat and in low carb situations you are using extreme measures to condition out bad behavior. In fact for a lot of peopleI would recommend lower or no carb diets. Or only eating from x time to y time. However in every case it's because of practical reasons and not because it's the best diet. It's all pragmatic and not nearly the most efficient. It is however a suitable means to an end.

In every single case the consumption of many meals throughout the day with a properely balanced menu is the best format for our bodies to perform optimally. However without discipline it almost always leads to poor food choices.

I have read more studies and more books than I can even name. I've helped work out diets for dozens of people for different goals and work out programs. I ran a nutrition store for a couple years and have been in the community for much much longer. From triathlons to competitive runners and peddlers tl power lifters and body builders the optimization of diet is minute from he basic plan of 6 meals a day. Some need more carbs at certain times some don't.

I have case studied myself on measuring an exact meal structure. Then adding and subtracting one variable at a time and testing. I ate the same meals basically for every meal for 2 years. Sunday's I took of and at as I pleased so long as I grazed all day. This was only for mental health reasons.

What did I find? That no diet produces better results than many balanced meals a day. From there it's merely fine tuning to your results. My room mate who was already "lifting" plateaud. After a nudge in proper work out protocol and diet help gained 30 pounds and lost body fat. Bench went from 130 to 250 for 6-8 reps. If he listened and ate properly he could sink into single digit fat percentages, but that isn't his primary goal and for him the results are good enough.

Love your premise. I tried it myself and decided.

Was going to post before, but personally I think you guys should NOT read any of the books you've got Stefan. The idea's that I hear you come up with regularly are seriously biased and strange. I tried to make it simple before and pointed out how to eat, Matt is pretty much confirming the same thing.

of course the most critical is to listen to your body.

The subject is tough in the sense that most people don't understand how the body works, and so many contradictory studies only add to the mayhem.

Perhaps everything I believe is completely wrong, but one thing I've learned growing up in this world is not everything always seems to be the way it is, and I've ran into enough health stuff to take most shit with a grain of salt.

So I'm taking it upon myself to learn.

For what it's worth. The book I read about paleo style eating and lowcarb is written by a biochemist who runs one of the top 30 gyms in the country, use to be a California power-lifting champ, has trained triathletes, Olympians, NASA, and USMC.

So if I'm going to simply just listen to someone, it's going to be him.

[ssh 924]

And I don't really like using one's experience as instant creditability, but he's actually studied the science, AND put it to the test, so I'll listen more to that then someone whose been going to the gym for 20 years, and hasn't learned shit.

Edited August 23, 2012 by stefanhinote

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

We're not supposed to live as long as we do and nature has to constantly find a way to work around our inability to accept THE fact of life.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

[ssh 924]