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I will probably just but some bulk BCAA. I'm kind of on a kcal restriction and I need some help to keep muscles working. I used to respond really well to glutamine and a BCAA powder. Not taken at the same time, but just in between my 3 hour meals.

I have yet to decide if I want the creatine as a food supplement, or with my post work out.... or during work out....

My metabolism is getting so crazy now, I need some food all the time. If I try to get it from regular whole food I will gain a billion pounds. Gatoraide or home made gatoraide like drinks work, but I need some amino's with it. Protein powder it not an option either.

Since I do practice fasting, I use BCAAs before workouts. Depending on the protein you have, it'll have some already, but I just bought a big bag off Amazon. I mix 15g bcaa with a scoop of protein, drink half before the work out, and finish the rest during. I mix the protein more then anything to hide the flavor of the bcaa, as it tastes like shit.

I have creatine, and planned on using it, but I never regularly took it, so I just stopped. :lol:

Honestly if I was to take any supplements besides protein and some bcaa, it would be creatine, there's a lot of scientific backing to it on pubmed, among other journals.

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Why is protein not an option, cost? Protein and fat have high satiety.

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FAWK!!!!!

I have no idea how I knew, but I thought you would like that one.

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In the morning.... just some days recently.... I cannot stomach a shake. It's just too much for me. I don't like it.

The fasting thing did help me, but only for about a week, and then after lifting heavy again and doing hard labor my metabolism is so high that if I am up for a couple hours and don't eat I get super bad headaches.

Fasting also makes it harder for me to drink water.

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So right in the morning some BCAA would be ideal. I can slam a shot of anything. I cannot drink a super thick shake or a huge watery one though.

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I would also mix it with my fluids through the day, and my PWO shake.

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In the morning.... just some days recently.... I cannot stomach a shake. It's just too much for me. I don't like it.

The fasting thing did help me, but only for about a week, and then after lifting heavy again and doing hard labor my metabolism is so high that if I am up for a couple hours and don't eat I get super bad headaches.

Fasting also makes it harder for me to drink water.

To drink water? You can drink water during fasting.

I'm presuming your trying to lose weight in fat, but maintain / increase muscle?

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You could also try a teaspoon of coconut oil throughout the day.

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In the morning.... just some days recently.... I cannot stomach a shake.  It's just too much for me.  I don't like it.

The fasting thing did help me, but only for about a week, and then after lifting heavy again and doing hard labor my metabolism is so high that if I am up for a couple hours and don't eat I get super bad headaches.

Fasting also makes it harder for me to drink water.

To drink water? You can drink water during fasting.

I'm presuming your trying to lose weight in fat, but maintain / increase muscle?

It's hard for me to drink a lot of water when I am completely empty of food. This is mainly a problem I have in the morning. I'm really tempted to buy/build a carbonation machine. Bubble water is really easy for me to drink. Sean will probably know exactly what I am talking about as I know he loves his sparkling water too. And with my metabolism going so crazy it is really hard to make healthy eating choices. 1 large chicken breast 2 cups of veg and a cup of rice barely keeps me full for 2 hours. Only extremely heavy foods keep me full, and then I'm not being really healthy for most of my meals.

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You could also try a teaspoon of coconut oil throughout the day.

Doesn't help.

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I ate ~25 oz of ribeye the other day. I NEEDED to eat in 3.5 hours. As in eat now.

As long as I get in the work outs, I'm dripping off fat and my muscles are growing like crazy. I have a slow build up to get my body anabolic, but once I get everything just right I'm a machine.

I'm not sure how big you are, but you have to remember I'm ~375 pounds, and though way too fat, keeping my muscle fed and maintained takes about 4500 kcal a day if I'm working out frequently. So on 3000 kcal I'm at a loss and will loose weight. My work outs are extremely intense and pretty high volume with weights pretty high in my max % range.

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In the morning.... just some days recently.... I cannot stomach a shake. It's just too much for me. I don't like it.

The fasting thing did help me, but only for about a week, and then after lifting heavy again and doing hard labor my metabolism is so high that if I am up for a couple hours and don't eat I get super bad headaches.

Fasting also makes it harder for me to drink water.

To drink water? You can drink water during fasting.

I'm presuming your trying to lose weight in fat, but maintain / increase muscle?

It's hard for me to drink a lot of water when I am completely empty of food. This is mainly a problem I have in the morning. I'm really tempted to buy/build a carbonation machine. Bubble water is really easy for me to drink. Sean will probably know exactly what I am talking about as I know he loves his sparkling water too. And with my metabolism going so crazy it is really hard to make healthy eating choices. 1 large chicken breast 2 cups of veg and a cup of rice barely keeps me full for 2 hours. Only extremely heavy foods keep me full, and then I'm not being really healthy for most of my meals.

How often you eat, and what you eat does not effect your metabolism. Metabolism is effected by body-weight, exercise, and weight loss.

I'm not sure how junk food is more filling then whole foods, unless your simply not getting enough calories from the whole foods in comparison to the junk food.

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In the morning.... just some days recently.... I cannot stomach a shake.  It's just too much for me.  I don't like it.

The fasting thing did help me, but only for about a week, and then after lifting heavy again and doing hard labor my metabolism is so high that if I am up for a couple hours and don't eat I get super bad headaches.

Fasting also makes it harder for me to drink water.

To drink water? You can drink water during fasting.

I'm presuming your trying to lose weight in fat, but maintain / increase muscle?

It's hard for me to drink a lot of water when I am completely empty of food.  This is mainly a problem I have in the morning.  I'm really tempted to buy/build a carbonation machine.  Bubble water is really easy for me to drink.  Sean will probably know exactly what I am talking about as I know he loves his sparkling water too.  And with my metabolism going so crazy it is really hard to make healthy eating choices.  1 large chicken breast 2 cups of veg and a cup of rice barely keeps me full for 2 hours.  Only extremely heavy foods keep me full, and then I'm not being really healthy for most of my meals.

How often you eat, and what you eat does not effect your metabolism. Metabolism is effected by body-weight, exercise, and weight loss.

I'm not sure how junk food is more filling then whole foods, unless your simply not getting enough calories from the whole foods in comparison to the junk food.

I'm going to ask this because I want to make sure you are really stating something that I have never ever heard before in the world of nutrition.You hypothesize that the foods you eat, and how frequently you eat them, does not change your metabolism?

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I have to go to the gym to try to get over that one......

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I ate ~25 oz of ribeye the other day. I NEEDED to eat in 3.5 hours. As in eat now.

As long as I get in the work outs, I'm dripping off fat and my muscles are growing like crazy. I have a slow build up to get my body anabolic, but once I get everything just right I'm a machine.

I'm not sure how big you are, but you have to remember I'm ~375 pounds, and though way too fat, keeping my muscle fed and maintained takes about 4500 kcal a day if I'm working out frequently. So on 3000 kcal I'm at a loss and will loose weight. My work outs are extremely intense and pretty high volume with weights pretty high in my max % range.

I weigh ~135lbs, and eat 3000 kcal per day. :P

If 3000 kcals keeps your muscles maintained, and your losing body fat then that should be your intake for the day. If not, then you need to find out at what Caloric intake that fat is being put on, then you know you have excess, and lower the intake. Keep doing that until you find the point that keeps the muscles maintained, and aren't gaining weight / losing weight. This would obviously take a while to get figured out though. Generally one skilled with the pinchers can take measurements, and tell how body fat is changing in comparison to weight change.

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In the morning.... just some days recently.... I cannot stomach a shake. It's just too much for me. I don't like it.

The fasting thing did help me, but only for about a week, and then after lifting heavy again and doing hard labor my metabolism is so high that if I am up for a couple hours and don't eat I get super bad headaches.

Fasting also makes it harder for me to drink water.

To drink water? You can drink water during fasting.

I'm presuming your trying to lose weight in fat, but maintain / increase muscle?

It's hard for me to drink a lot of water when I am completely empty of food. This is mainly a problem I have in the morning. I'm really tempted to buy/build a carbonation machine. Bubble water is really easy for me to drink. Sean will probably know exactly what I am talking about as I know he loves his sparkling water too. And with my metabolism going so crazy it is really hard to make healthy eating choices. 1 large chicken breast 2 cups of veg and a cup of rice barely keeps me full for 2 hours. Only extremely heavy foods keep me full, and then I'm not being really healthy for most of my meals.

How often you eat, and what you eat does not effect your metabolism. Metabolism is effected by body-weight, exercise, and weight loss.

I'm not sure how junk food is more filling then whole foods, unless your simply not getting enough calories from the whole foods in comparison to the junk food.

I'm going to ask this because I want to make sure you are really stating something that I have never ever heard before in the world of nutrition.You hypothesize that the foods you eat, and how frequently you eat them, does not change your metabolism?

When eating there's a thing called Thermic Effect Of Food, which is basically how many calories are burned through the process of eating. Whether you eat it all at once, or throughout the day, it doesn't change. Here's one study about meal frequency and the effects to metabolism: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985

As to the statement about the types of food of not mattering, yes I'm pretty sure on that, but let me dig up some studies.

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Here's another interesting study done on obese men concerning protein & meal frequency to feeling full: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20339363

Although the hunger-related perceived sensations and hormonal responses were conflicting, the fullness-related responses were consistently greater with higher protein intake but lower with increased eating frequency. Collectively, these data suggest that higher protein intake promotes satiety and challenge the concept that increasing the number of eating occasions enhances satiety in overweight and obese men.

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