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[Godsmack 361]

Time to buy a table saw.

I understand 'cheap' and 'table saw' don't exactly go together. What has everyone used and what have been your complaints/loves about it? Not looking to go over 200 unless some of this eBay stuff sells.

J

Nothing but junk at that price point Jordan. You'll need to buy used and old to hit that budget.

Understatement there. $200 used will still be junk.

It's basically to build speaker boxes for the locals. Mainly in MDF, or maybe birch for myself. I'll also be cutting 1x4's or something along that line for building an am rack or two. I am basically working out of my driveway/some of my garage.

These are an idea of what I have been looking at (Home Depot links only) due to the ease of storage. What are the common downfalls of saws like these?

http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Saws-Table-Saws/h_d1/N-5yc1vZaqdk/R-202061315/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051

http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=202517810&R=202517810

This is the 'high end' of what I have check out (looking realistically)

http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Power-Tools-Saws-Table-Saws/h_d1/N-5yc1vZaqdk/R-202500206/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051

J

[///M5 2,833]

More like what is the benefit. A circ saw is more accurate and can be as fast. For what you need those aren't good options. A fence system and a sacrificial stand is golden for those measurements. The only thing you lose is that for each cut you need to spend 30secs attaching the fence, but that's it. A small table saw won't have a fence for big cuts anyways and is rather pointless once you realize it won't have the motor to cut mdf for shit, needs a $100 blade, and has a fence that is off by an 1/8".

[Godsmack 361]

Good points. I'll look into other avenues of approach here. Time for more picture research.

J

[ssh 924]

More like what is the benefit. A circ saw is more accurate and can be as fast. For what you need those aren't good options. A fence system and a sacrificial stand is golden for those measurements. The only thing you lose is that for each cut you need to spend 30secs attaching the fence, but that's it. A small table saw won't have a fence for big cuts anyways and is rather pointless once you realize it won't have the motor to cut mdf for shit, needs a $100 blade, and has a fence that is off by an 1/8".

[Julian 641]

Time to buy a table saw.

I understand 'cheap' and 'table saw' don't exactly go together. What has everyone used and what have been your complaints/loves about it? Not looking to go over 200 unless some of this eBay stuff sells.

J

Nothing but junk at that price point Jordan. You'll need to buy used and old to hit that budget.

Understatement there. $200 used will still be junk.

It's basically to build speaker boxes for the locals. Mainly in MDF, or maybe birch for myself. I'll also be cutting 1x4's or something along that line for building an am rack or two. I am basically working out of my driveway/some of my garage.

These are an idea of what I have been looking at (Home Depot links only) due to the ease of storage. What are the common downfalls of saws like these?

http://www.homedepot...1&storeId=10051

http://www.homedepot...810&R=202517810

This is the 'high end' of what I have check out (looking realistically)

http://www.homedepot...1&storeId=10051

J

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/nph/tls/2950257463.html

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/tls/2940607537.html

[Julian 641]

got those for you J

[stevemead08 752]

I have a 100 skil tablesaw from home depot. It sucks but got the job done. The fence is flimsy and useless. I agree with m5, get a good circular saw and diablo blade. Many uses for it down the road too.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

And yes, the new classified system sucks. Yikes.

It beyond sucks, has been addressed and ignored.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

My $1500 saw took a shit many years ago. My brother bought me a Skil brand circular saw, I purchased some good Frued Avanti blades and I've never looked back. I does all I need. If I need a miter or odd angle, I'll use my router.

[Godsmack 361]

My $1500 saw took a shit many years ago. My brother bought me a Skil brand circular saw, I purchased some good Frued Avanti blades and I've never looked back. I does all I need. If I need a miter or odd angle, I'll use my router.

I've got a Skil circular, router and jigsaw already. I know this is such a horribly newb question, but this is the first time I have had to buy blades (always just used what was at my father's shop or friend's shops). How much should a good 7 1/4" blade run me, and whats the best style of blade?

Thanks for all the help guys. This is really helping me make intelligent decisions.

J

[ricksi30 923]

I honest to god cant remember what they run. I have to agree with the circular saw though. We have a fairly high end table saw but find ourselves using the circular more often. We really only use the table saw to kerf.

[topgun 262]

My $1500 saw took a shit many years ago. My brother bought me a Skil brand circular saw, I purchased some good Frued Avanti blades and I've never looked back. I does all I need. If I need a miter or odd angle, I'll use my router.

I've got a Skil circular, router and jigsaw already. I know this is such a horribly newb question, but this is the first time I have had to buy blades (always just used what was at my father's shop or friend's shops). How much should a good 7 1/4" blade run me, and whats the best style of blade?

Thanks for all the help guys. This is really helping me make intelligent decisions.

J

Its been awhile since I bought one, but I would guess 30 bucks would buy a pretty decent one. If you want to just walk into a store and buy one, pick up a Freud Diablo, the red ones at Home Depot, not their best blades but for what you are doing they will be great. And by all means, when it gets dull and starts cutting poorly, get a new stinking blade.

[topgun 262]

I never ever use a circular saw at work, but that probably has to do with the table saw I have there....

When I'm other places and have to do sheet work, out comes my Milwaukee circular saw and a straight edge.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

Where's my breakfast treat?

[Tirefryr 1,742]

My $1500 saw took a shit many years ago. My brother bought me a Skil brand circular saw, I purchased some good Frued Avanti blades and I've never looked back. I does all I need. If I need a miter or odd angle, I'll use my router.

I've got a Skil circular, router and jigsaw already. I know this is such a horribly newb question, but this is the first time I have had to buy blades (always just used what was at my father's shop or friend's shops). How much should a good 7 1/4" blade run me, and whats the best style of blade?

Thanks for all the help guys. This is really helping me make intelligent decisions.

J

I use Freud Avanti blades for MDF, Diablo for plywood. The Avanti has lifetime warranty, and when I was building cabinets, I'd be cutting about 6 hours a day and I'd have to send the blade in every 8 months for sharpening. So if you only make an enclosure once a month, you'll probably never have to buy another blade assuming you cut properly and don't burn it up.

[///M5 2,833]

I need an approximately 10" tube that is nearly ready for paint....or a better idea. I'd like to upgrade my boat tower speakers to something with more balls, but that requires an enclosure. Coating a sonotube in fiberglass to make it weather proof and then sanding it smooth enough to paint sounds to me like a major failure. Depending on the diameter I am going to stuff an 8" or 10" Faital Pro mid in it, unless I find something else weather treated and better.

The four little bullets currently house JL 6.5's which don't have enough balls.

This would allow me an "excuse" to put the Pio 880 in the boat

[///M5 2,833]

Hmm, those windows NEED tinting.

[MKader17 332]

Making some steaks tonight. I plan on using my Cast Iron on my new propane to get things really hot.

Trying to decide if I should finish in the oven on a new pan, finish in the oven on the skillet, or finish them on the burner with reduced heat and a lid (or maybe not a lid)

Suggestions?

Just kill the heat after you flip. The pan should retain enough to carmelize the other side and then slow and cool for the rest.

This is what I ended up doing.

Steak came out of the fridge 1.5 hours before and was laid on a cooling rack. About 45 min before I put paper towels around them. Came back in a few and pulled them off and got as much liquid I could pat off. Added salt and pepper about 30 min before.

Pre-heat Cast in oven at 450* (used that temp because my gf was about to cook something in there at that temp) move to propane burner and fire it up and get super hot

I ended up doing 1.5 min on one side, then a min on the other with heat, cut it off throw on a little bit of butter on it and let it sit for another 3.5 minutes. (I let my gf's sit for 4.5 min) Mine came out with a nice crust and just a tad rare right at the center (I would call it medium rare). Her's was nice and pink all the way through. (a good medium, not restaurant medium).

They were the best steaks I ever had. I was able to get some natural ribeyes from HEB with a lot of good marbling. Even the fat was delicious to eat and the crust was simply delicious. I'll definitely be using this recipe again.

For the woman she isn't as much into the pure meat taste. Next time on hers I think I'm going to try a little rub with some red pepper and garlic powder to give it a kick.

[Godsmack 361]

I am just thinking about past wall installs here and the quickrete tubes from Home Depot come to mind. They have them in a variety of sizes. On the downside they tend to be rather heavy. What kind of maximum weight are we looking here? I know with you this is a moronic question, but does Sound Quality take a backseat to 'balls' for this install?

J

[topgun 262]

Why not a PVC endcap?

[MKader17 332]

Make sure you port them! That's how you get loud.

[///M5 2,833]

I am just thinking about past wall installs here and the quickrete tubes from Home Depot come to mind. They have them in a variety of sizes. On the downside they tend to be rather heavy. What kind of maximum weight are we looking here? I know with you this is a moronic question, but does Sound Quality take a backseat to 'balls' for this install?

J

Quickcrete tubes will fail in water and these will get rained on a lot. I can glass them, but then I'll have HOURS into finish work and they'll still look like shit. Weight is no problem at all. That tower has to deal with me pulling on it which easily puts 400lbs of force if not more on it. SQ with balls sir.

[///M5 2,833]

Why not a PVC endcap?

Duh. Didn't realize they made 10" PVC. I'll need more than an endcap since they have to be around 13" long but I can easily smoothly cap the PVC.

Ugh! $25 a foot.

Make sure you port them! That's how you get loud.

They will be, tuned somewhere in the 60's

[Godsmack 361]

I am just thinking about past wall installs here and the quickrete tubes from Home Depot come to mind. They have them in a variety of sizes. On the downside they tend to be rather heavy. What kind of maximum weight are we looking here? I know with you this is a moronic question, but does Sound Quality take a backseat to 'balls' for this install?

J

Quickcrete tubes will fail in water and these will get rained on a lot. I can glass them, but then I'll have HOURS into finish work and they'll still look like shit. Weight is no problem at all. That tower has to deal with me pulling on it which easily puts 400lbs of force if not more on it. SQ with balls sir.

I BELIEVE JL Audio or Kicker made a bar tube for a loud stereo on the water. While a loaded version of this may not be up the 'SQ with balls' alley, it might provide the enclosure for you to load with your own speakers. I'll do some digging over lunch.

J

[///M5 2,833]

I ended up doing 1.5 min on one side, then a min on the other with heat, cut it off throw on a little bit of butter on it and let it sit for another 3.5 minutes. (I let my gf's sit for 4.5 min) Mine came out with a nice crust and just a tad rare right at the center (I would call it medium rare). Her's was nice and pink all the way through. (a good medium, not restaurant medium).

They were the best steaks I ever had. I was able to get some natural ribeyes from HEB with a lot of good marbling. Even the fat was delicious to eat and the crust was simply delicious. I'll definitely be using this recipe again.

Glad it worked. Have one issue with your post. "Good medium" is an oxymoron. Medium rare is the most beef should ever be cooked.