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[ssh 924]

This is a pretty broad question, but what are the limitations of Linux? I've read around a bit and it seems like most PC operations can be performed on a machine running Linux through Wine etc, correct? Just curious.

Just another operating system.

Wine has advanced over the years, it can run most windows executables. Running a virtual machine application in linux would also allow for running windows, and running anything else Wine cannot do (assuming you have enough processing, ram, etc for the vm).

[ssh 924]

This is a pretty broad question, but what are the limitations of Linux? I've read around a bit and it seems like most PC operations can be performed on a machine running Linux through Wine etc, correct? Just curious.

9 times out of 10 if you can do it in Windows there's typically a Linux program that will do it too; no emulation needed. If Valve ever ports Steam to Linux I'm sure I would run Linux in a heartbeat.

Or dual boot with a small windows partition just for steam.

[Luke.H 33]

Thanks guys. One of these days I might install it on my tower. If I ever needed to reinstall windows or something I'd probably consider trying it.

[Jmac 24]

This is a pretty broad question, but what are the limitations of Linux? I've read around a bit and it seems like most PC operations can be performed on a machine running Linux through Wine etc, correct? Just curious.

Wine is an emulator and there are limitations and, sometimes, complications whenever you're using emulation. If it's just something you use occasionally, emulation is generally sufficient, but if you need to use it several hours every day, those limitations/complications can make things very inefficient and frustrating.

What it boils down to is official hardware and software support of most consumer products. Very, very few consumer products support Linux. For the most part, someone somewhere will have developed a method to get it to work, but it's not always in the same capacity as running it in Windows and sometimes more complicated. You have to do your homework before you make purchases for Linux systems.

That being said, it's not terribly difficult to learn and there are definite upsides to Linux. Most distributions are free to use, which is a big plus if you build your own machines. You're far less likely to be affected by malicious software while using Linux and Linux is renowned for stability, which can save you time and money.

[Luke.H 33]

Stefan, have you looked at the classified sections at any Mac forums for a MacBook? I checked and Mac-Forum has a FS section if you don't have any look on CL. They pop up constantly in my area on CL though so finding one shouldn't be a problem.

[Luke.H 33]

This is a pretty broad question, but what are the limitations of Linux? I've read around a bit and it seems like most PC operations can be performed on a machine running Linux through Wine etc, correct? Just curious.

Wine is an emulator and there are limitations and, sometimes, complications whenever you're using emulation. If it's just something you use occasionally, emulation is generally sufficient, but if you need to use it several hours every day, those limitations/complications can make things very inefficient and frustrating.

What it boils down to is official hardware and software support of most consumer products. Very, very few consumer products support Linux. For the most part, someone somewhere will have developed a method to get it to work, but it's not always in the same capacity as running it in Windows and sometimes more complicated. You have to do your homework before you make purchases for Linux systems.

That being said, it's not terribly difficult to learn and there are definite upsides to Linux. Most distributions are free to use, which is a big plus if you build your own machines. You're far less likely to be affected by malicious software while using Linux and Linux is renowned for stability, which can save you time and money.

Makes sense. Same principal as running Windows software virtually on a Mac. If it's something you need frequently you're better off using the OS it was meant for. So, when deciding to run Linux it's probably a good idea to check what programs that are important to you for compatibility or alternatives, if I'm understanding correctly.

[ssh 924]

Stefan, have you looked at the classified sections at any Mac forums for a MacBook? I checked and Mac-Forum has a FS section if you don't have any look on CL. They pop up constantly in my area on CL though so finding one shouldn't be a problem.

I haven't, I've been leery buying one over the internet (ebay), and found a fair amount listed on CL that I could test out.

But the thought of buying one from a mac forum is a lot more appealing to me then ebay, so I'll check that out as well, thanks.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Pretty cheap high quality electronics is what I associate japan/ Korea with

Cheap and Japan do NOT go together. Korea of course.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Pretty cheap high quality electronics is what I associate japan/ Korea with

Japan cheap? Roflcopter.

Beat me to it.

[Tirefryr 1,742]

Okay nerd boys. Let's talk about something interesting, like ASS and TITS!

[ssh 924]

This is a pretty broad question, but what are the limitations of Linux? I've read around a bit and it seems like most PC operations can be performed on a machine running Linux through Wine etc, correct? Just curious.

Wine is an emulator and there are limitations and, sometimes, complications whenever you're using emulation. If it's just something you use occasionally, emulation is generally sufficient, but if you need to use it several hours every day, those limitations/complications can make things very inefficient and frustrating.

What it boils down to is official hardware and software support of most consumer products. Very, very few consumer products support Linux. For the most part, someone somewhere will have developed a method to get it to work, but it's not always in the same capacity as running it in Windows and sometimes more complicated. You have to do your homework before you make purchases for Linux systems.

That being said, it's not terribly difficult to learn and there are definite upsides to Linux. Most distributions are free to use, which is a big plus if you build your own machines. You're far less likely to be affected by malicious software while using Linux and Linux is renowned for stability, which can save you time and money.

Makes sense. Same principal as running Windows software virtually on a Mac. If it's something you need frequently you're better off using the OS it was meant for. So, when deciding to run Linux it's probably a good idea to check what programs that are important to you for compatibility or alternatives, if I'm understanding correctly.

Yeah it's certainly not for everyone, and what programs you use and NEED has to come into consideration.

Programs I use:

filezilla (FTP)

itunes

outlook (email)

photoshop

notepad++(text editor)

apache(local server setup, testing scripts)

vlc(video player)

openoffice(like msword)

winisd <--don't use that often. I bet winisd would work fine under wine, or VM if worst comes to worst.

sony vegas <--occasionally use

few video games here and there.

All of the above can either be ran natively on linux, or has a direct replacement, except for itunes, photoshop, vegas, and games.

There are some decent video editing apps for linux though, and photoshop has been ran under wine with good success.

Only things that kept me from going completely linux was the need to run itunes & photoshop. Which both happen to run natively on mac osx.

[ssh 924]

Okay nerd boys. Let's talk about something interesting, like ASS and TITS!

My glasses are only 5mm thick.

[ssh 924]

Facebook has a project called hiphop, for transforming php code into c++, for better efficiency, they've deduced server cpu usage by roughly fifty percent, and it's all open source. Interesting stuff.

[Frostedflakejake 148]

Okay nerd boys. Let's talk about something interesting, like ASS and TITS!

I agree

[ssh 924]

I also found a pear package that allows for running php scripts as daemons today.

Pissing people off in the ihop...

[Julian 641]

This is a pretty broad question, but what are the limitations of Linux? I've read around a bit and it seems like most PC operations can be performed on a machine running Linux through Wine etc, correct? Just curious.

Wine is an emulator and there are limitations and, sometimes, complications whenever you're using emulation. If it's just something you use occasionally, emulation is generally sufficient, but if you need to use it several hours every day, those limitations/complications can make things very inefficient and frustrating.

What it boils down to is official hardware and software support of most consumer products. Very, very few consumer products support Linux. For the most part, someone somewhere will have developed a method to get it to work, but it's not always in the same capacity as running it in Windows and sometimes more complicated. You have to do your homework before you make purchases for Linux systems.

That being said, it's not terribly difficult to learn and there are definite upsides to Linux. Most distributions are free to use, which is a big plus if you build your own machines. You're far less likely to be affected by malicious software while using Linux and Linux is renowned for stability, which can save you time and money.

Makes sense. Same principal as running Windows software virtually on a Mac. If it's something you need frequently you're better off using the OS it was meant for. So, when deciding to run Linux it's probably a good idea to check what programs that are important to you for compatibility or alternatives, if I'm understanding correctly.

Yeah it's certainly not for everyone, and what programs you use and NEED has to come into consideration.

Programs I use:

filezilla (FTP)

itunes

outlook (email)

photoshop

notepad++(text editor)

apache(local server setup, testing scripts)

vlc(video player)

openoffice(like msword)

winisd <--don't use that often. I bet winisd would work fine under wine, or VM if worst comes to worst.

sony vegas <--occasionally use

few video games here and there.

All of the above can either be ran natively on linux, or has a direct replacement, except for itunes, photoshop, vegas, and games.

There are some decent video editing apps for linux though, and photoshop has been ran under wine with good success.

Only things that kept me from going completely linux was the need to run itunes & photoshop. Which both happen to run natively on mac osx.

There are Linux alternatives that allow you to sync your idevice with it. Like you would iTunes

[Frostedflakejake 148]

I've had to code quite a bit,

and i say FUCK that shit.

Java applications for mobile phones and VHDL mostly

[Julian 641]

I've had to code quite a bit,

and i say FUCK that shit.

Java applications for mobile phones and VHDL mostly

I started to learn C++ but could never fully get into it. Dad has taught it for some years now.

[ssh 924]

Yeah there are a few like amarok, but if you want to update the device your sorta sol. Plus I like itunes.

[Julian 641]

Yeah there are a few like amarok, but if you want to update the device your sorta sol. Plus I like itunes.

I like Itunes too, when I had a less powerful computer I hated it.. Such a resource hog.

I ran it in wine for the longest time.

[Luke.H 33]

Stefan, have you looked at the classified sections at any Mac forums for a MacBook? I checked and Mac-Forum has a FS section if you don't have any look on CL. They pop up constantly in my area on CL though so finding one shouldn't be a problem.

I haven't, I've been leery buying one over the internet (ebay), and found a fair amount listed on CL that I could test out.

But the thought of buying one from a mac forum is a lot more appealing to me then ebay, so I'll check that out as well, thanks.

I would have a similar concern about buying on a forum, but if the person had good feedback I'd consider it. Apple sells refurbished Macs as well. I've heard of people buying used through Powermax too, but have no idea how legit they would be. Just some options.

[Penguin4x4 1,761]

no one in their right minds "likes" iTunes, they just tolerate it so they can use their crApple device

[Julian 641]

no one in their right minds "likes" iTunes, they just tolerate it so they can use their crApple device

I hate windows media player's navigation.. its turrible.

Itunes is simple IMO

I've used it even before I had an IDevice

[Frostedflakejake 148]

Fuckin' awesome. The helmet I bought on Ebay came from a guy who probably smoked 8 packs a day. Forgot to mention that in his ad....

[ssh 924]

Fuckin' awesome. The helmet I bought on Ebay came from a guy who probably smoked 8 packs a day. Forgot to mention that in his ad....

Oh fuck. Get some Ozium and spray the inside.