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[Adrian_D 520]

I am follwing this supercharged boat thing like crazy. I know on road vehicles you're way better off with forced induction because normal driving doesn't use the boost and therefore you aren't losing your efficiency. Under boost you'll friggin drink fuel but who cares when your asshole is chewing a hole in your seat. With a boat I assume you'd be under load way more often than in a car and therefore using the boost way more frequently.

as far as fuel consumption being linear all I know is tuning the a/f ratio on turbo cars, you really start to lean out near full throttle and that's where you really have to worry about becoming too lean. So I would assume you have the most efficient burn at or near full throttle/boost. When driving along you rarely have a constant a/f ratio and when you do it's well away from lean.

another question would be does your a/f ratio need to change with RPM, I would assume it doesn't but assumptions are the mother of all fuckups. It is possible that a lower RPM would allow you to run a more lean mixture.

I say find an intercooler and find a way to pipe in fresh water from the lake too!

You're funny. You know damn well there is no "normal driving" when you have more fun under your foot.

Must ... use ... power(s) ...

[MKader17 332]

If running at 24mph you use the supercharger and the prop to make it so that you turn 3500rpm with the s/c and 4500rpm with the n/a with the only changes being the tune and the boost wouldn't you expect the s/c application to use less gas?

24 isn't super arbitrary as it is the sweet spot for fuel economy on my hull

No because I know how hungry boosted vehicles are. Granted it may be different on water. That's a whole different animal, tune, and drag, so I may be wrong, but with a vehicle, if you are into the boost, you are using up a lot of fuel. Keep in mind you are forcing air in and compressing it where as the NA can only suck air in. The more air you have, the more fuel you need, so the blower is always going to need more fuel and a lot more.

I was summoned to bed about the time I read this, so you know what I thought about all night (well not the first 15 minutes).

Went through a huge calculation to "verify" things this morning, but am missing some information to really prove anything out. I have some conclusions however.

Currently my boat pulls:

5200rpm at 38mph using 32 gallons/hr

3420rpm at 25mph using 4 gallons/hr

Conveniently it is easy to calculate the different fuel used as the ideal gas law is linear. PV=nRT so if we increase the pressure x% we increase our oxygen intake the same and therefore assuming we keep the same fuel to 02 ratio we are golden. That being said going all the way up to 10psi of boost yields 1.68x the gas at the same RPM. (24.696/14.696).

Then the question becomes propulsion and can you pick a prop with the right pitch & diameter such that the rpm of the motor will change, but keep the boat speed the same. I am not a prop guy so I'll make the assumption that this is possible. I do know there are a crap ton of props and that mine has an extremely aggressive prop (14.25 pitch which means one revolution with no slip moves the boat forward 14.25inches - as a reference my bass boat has a 27p prop and tops out near 80 at nearly the same RPM's as the Malibu doing just under 40mph and has nearly double the pitch). The only other question is do you have the power to turn it? In order to get there, the boost comes into play.

Here I eyeballed: http://www.powerbloc...bang4buck/0703/ and came up with a power table.

From my table you can see that in current stock form my boat makes around 220hp at 3450rpm where I cruise at 25mph. Even if I only gain 30% from 10psi I would only need to be spinning 2950rpm with the right prop to maintain that speed. 25mph is where my hull is the most efficient. The spot that makes this near impossible to determine is knowing my current fuel consumption curve. I only have two points. 25mph at 4.5gal/hr and 38mph at 32gal/hr. Since that curve looks far from linear it is hard to tell what drives it. One thing is for sure though, with a 40% gain in power I should be making around 340hp at 3700rpm instead of 5200rpm. This should mean that I'd be an awful lot closer to the 4gph than the 32gph (and then of course we adjust by 1.68x) which seems to me that it'd be more efficient where I am using it. So that being said I do think I will see both a top end improvement and efficiency improvement through lowering the rpms while running at a real cruising speed.

If I had more points on the actual consumption of my boat so I could determine a curve I could really dial this in including exactly how much boost to use for what prop and such...or so I think anyways.

Don't forget increased frictional losses! . j/k

It's ridiculous that I took an IC engines class last semester and I've already forgot a good sum of it. I will consult my book soon just to double check

[Luke.H 33]

First day back at school. Already wanting to skip

[Adrian_D 520]

You know what I think you should do for your boat Sean.

Feeling like you should be a part of the ballast?

yes

What's your standard work week like? (hours/days) Probably pulling it out tomorrow to put MN registration, wax, and add the 1100lb fat sac to it. Friday I am up to Fargo, but may be able to squeak out during the week. If not this one, then I'm off to CA and back the following weekend but its a bumblefuck on Labor weekend and I'll have the kids. After that back and completely read for a day nearly anytime. Perhaps I can even get "sick"

I work 8:30-5:00p, however I can always ask for a day off. I'm unfortunately more available than I expected......

No fall semester for this guy.

:(

Dammit

One thing I learned at college, if at first you don't succeed, keep trying. And I think that should be the case for most school related stuff.

[Aaron Clinton 2,372]

You know what I think you should do for your boat Sean.

Feeling like you should be a part of the ballast?

yes

What's your standard work week like? (hours/days) Probably pulling it out tomorrow to put MN registration, wax, and add the 1100lb fat sac to it. Friday I am up to Fargo, but may be able to squeak out during the week. If not this one, then I'm off to CA and back the following weekend but its a bumblefuck on Labor weekend and I'll have the kids. After that back and completely read for a day nearly anytime. Perhaps I can even get "sick"

I work 8:30-5:00p, however I can always ask for a day off. I'm unfortunately more available than I expected......

No fall semester for this guy.

:(

Dammit

One thing I learned at college, if at first you don't succeed, keep trying. And I think that should be the case for most school related stuff.

Or just keep taking classes for 8 years like me.

[///M5 2,833]

If running at 24mph you use the supercharger and the prop to make it so that you turn 3500rpm with the s/c and 4500rpm with the n/a with the only changes being the tune and the boost wouldn't you expect the s/c application to use less gas?

24 isn't super arbitrary as it is the sweet spot for fuel economy on my hull

No because I know how hungry boosted vehicles are. Granted it may be different on water. That's a whole different animal, tune, and drag, so I may be wrong, but with a vehicle, if you are into the boost, you are using up a lot of fuel. Keep in mind you are forcing air in and compressing it where as the NA can only suck air in. The more air you have, the more fuel you need, so the blower is always going to need more fuel and a lot more.

I was summoned to bed about the time I read this, so you know what I thought about all night (well not the first 15 minutes).

Went through a huge calculation to "verify" things this morning, but am missing some information to really prove anything out. I have some conclusions however.

Currently my boat pulls:

5200rpm at 38mph using 32 gallons/hr

3420rpm at 25mph using 4 gallons/hr

Conveniently it is easy to calculate the different fuel used as the ideal gas law is linear. PV=nRT so if we increase the pressure x% we increase our oxygen intake the same and therefore assuming we keep the same fuel to 02 ratio we are golden. That being said going all the way up to 10psi of boost yields 1.68x the gas at the same RPM. (24.696/14.696).

Then the question becomes propulsion and can you pick a prop with the right pitch & diameter such that the rpm of the motor will change, but keep the boat speed the same. I am not a prop guy so I'll make the assumption that this is possible. I do know there are a crap ton of props and that mine has an extremely aggressive prop (14.25 pitch which means one revolution with no slip moves the boat forward 14.25inches - as a reference my bass boat has a 27p prop and tops out near 80 at nearly the same RPM's as the Malibu doing just under 40mph and has nearly double the pitch). The only other question is do you have the power to turn it? In order to get there, the boost comes into play.

Here I eyeballed: http://www.powerblocktv.com/sites/bang4buck/0703/ and came up with a power table.

From my table you can see that in current stock form my boat makes around 220hp at 3450rpm where I cruise at 25mph. Even if I only gain 30% from 10psi I would only need to be spinning 2950rpm with the right prop to maintain that speed. 25mph is where my hull is the most efficient. The spot that makes this near impossible to determine is knowing my current fuel consumption curve. I only have two points. 25mph at 4.5gal/hr and 38mph at 32gal/hr. Since that curve looks far from linear it is hard to tell what drives it. One thing is for sure though, with a 40% gain in power I should be making around 340hp at 3700rpm instead of 5200rpm. This should mean that I'd be an awful lot closer to the 4gph than the 32gph (and then of course we adjust by 1.68x) which seems to me that it'd be more efficient where I am using it. So that being said I do think I will see both a top end improvement and efficiency improvement through lowering the rpms while running at a real cruising speed.

If I had more points on the actual consumption of my boat so I could determine a curve I could really dial this in including exactly how much boost to use for what prop and such...or so I think anyways.

Holy Shit Sean!

Your statement had me dream all night. Almost to the point where I was going to look to see where I could get a flowmeter for "demo" purposes to run on my gas line to really map out my usage. Obviously not worth that effort. Should just baseline and go from there.

[///M5 2,833]

I am follwing this supercharged boat thing like crazy. I know on road vehicles you're way better off with forced induction because normal driving doesn't use the boost and therefore you aren't losing your efficiency. Under boost you'll friggin drink fuel but who cares when your asshole is chewing a hole in your seat. With a boat I assume you'd be under load way more often than in a car and therefore using the boost way more frequently.

as far as fuel consumption being linear all I know is tuning the a/f ratio on turbo cars, you really start to lean out near full throttle and that's where you really have to worry about becoming too lean. So I would assume you have the most efficient burn at or near full throttle/boost. When driving along you rarely have a constant a/f ratio and when you do it's well away from lean.

another question would be does your a/f ratio need to change with RPM, I would assume it doesn't but assumptions are the mother of all fuckups. It is possible that a lower RPM would allow you to run a more lean mixture.

I say find an intercooler and find a way to pipe in fresh water from the lake too!

You're funny. You know damn well there is no "normal driving" when you have more fun under your foot.

In a boat there is. Most of my driving is at one rpm

[///M5 2,833]

If running at 24mph you use the supercharger and the prop to make it so that you turn 3500rpm with the s/c and 4500rpm with the n/a with the only changes being the tune and the boost wouldn't you expect the s/c application to use less gas?

24 isn't super arbitrary as it is the sweet spot for fuel economy on my hull

No because I know how hungry boosted vehicles are. Granted it may be different on water. That's a whole different animal, tune, and drag, so I may be wrong, but with a vehicle, if you are into the boost, you are using up a lot of fuel. Keep in mind you are forcing air in and compressing it where as the NA can only suck air in. The more air you have, the more fuel you need, so the blower is always going to need more fuel and a lot more.

I was summoned to bed about the time I read this, so you know what I thought about all night (well not the first 15 minutes).

Went through a huge calculation to "verify" things this morning, but am missing some information to really prove anything out. I have some conclusions however.

Currently my boat pulls:

5200rpm at 38mph using 32 gallons/hr

3420rpm at 25mph using 4 gallons/hr

Conveniently it is easy to calculate the different fuel used as the ideal gas law is linear. PV=nRT so if we increase the pressure x% we increase our oxygen intake the same and therefore assuming we keep the same fuel to 02 ratio we are golden. That being said going all the way up to 10psi of boost yields 1.68x the gas at the same RPM. (24.696/14.696).

Then the question becomes propulsion and can you pick a prop with the right pitch & diameter such that the rpm of the motor will change, but keep the boat speed the same. I am not a prop guy so I'll make the assumption that this is possible. I do know there are a crap ton of props and that mine has an extremely aggressive prop (14.25 pitch which means one revolution with no slip moves the boat forward 14.25inches - as a reference my bass boat has a 27p prop and tops out near 80 at nearly the same RPM's as the Malibu doing just under 40mph and has nearly double the pitch). The only other question is do you have the power to turn it? In order to get there, the boost comes into play.

Here I eyeballed: http://www.powerbloc...bang4buck/0703/ and came up with a power table.

From my table you can see that in current stock form my boat makes around 220hp at 3450rpm where I cruise at 25mph. Even if I only gain 30% from 10psi I would only need to be spinning 2950rpm with the right prop to maintain that speed. 25mph is where my hull is the most efficient. The spot that makes this near impossible to determine is knowing my current fuel consumption curve. I only have two points. 25mph at 4.5gal/hr and 38mph at 32gal/hr. Since that curve looks far from linear it is hard to tell what drives it. One thing is for sure though, with a 40% gain in power I should be making around 340hp at 3700rpm instead of 5200rpm. This should mean that I'd be an awful lot closer to the 4gph than the 32gph (and then of course we adjust by 1.68x) which seems to me that it'd be more efficient where I am using it. So that being said I do think I will see both a top end improvement and efficiency improvement through lowering the rpms while running at a real cruising speed.

If I had more points on the actual consumption of my boat so I could determine a curve I could really dial this in including exactly how much boost to use for what prop and such...or so I think anyways.

Don't forget increased frictional losses! . j/k

It's ridiculous that I took an IC engines class last semester and I've already forgot a good sum of it. I will consult my book soon just to double check

Frictional loss goes out the window when I am optimizing efficiency for one speed on the hull.

[///M5 2,833]

What sort of power gain do you think 6-10psi of boost will give?

*I know I cheated and used a flat power gain (in %), but I couldn't find a comparable engine on the dyno pre and post boost.

**Looked in the engine bay this afternoon, won't be trivial to get it in.

[///M5 2,833]

BUT it will fit

[Luke.H 33]

If running at 24mph you use the supercharger and the prop to make it so that you turn 3500rpm with the s/c and 4500rpm with the n/a with the only changes being the tune and the boost wouldn't you expect the s/c application to use less gas?

24 isn't super arbitrary as it is the sweet spot for fuel economy on my hull

No because I know how hungry boosted vehicles are. Granted it may be different on water. That's a whole different animal, tune, and drag, so I may be wrong, but with a vehicle, if you are into the boost, you are using up a lot of fuel. Keep in mind you are forcing air in and compressing it where as the NA can only suck air in. The more air you have, the more fuel you need, so the blower is always going to need more fuel and a lot more.

I was summoned to bed about the time I read this, so you know what I thought about all night (well not the first 15 minutes).

Went through a huge calculation to "verify" things this morning, but am missing some information to really prove anything out. I have some conclusions however.

Currently my boat pulls:

5200rpm at 38mph using 32 gallons/hr

3420rpm at 25mph using 4 gallons/hr

Conveniently it is easy to calculate the different fuel used as the ideal gas law is linear. PV=nRT so if we increase the pressure x% we increase our oxygen intake the same and therefore assuming we keep the same fuel to 02 ratio we are golden. That being said going all the way up to 10psi of boost yields 1.68x the gas at the same RPM. (24.696/14.696).

Then the question becomes propulsion and can you pick a prop with the right pitch & diameter such that the rpm of the motor will change, but keep the boat speed the same. I am not a prop guy so I'll make the assumption that this is possible. I do know there are a crap ton of props and that mine has an extremely aggressive prop (14.25 pitch which means one revolution with no slip moves the boat forward 14.25inches - as a reference my bass boat has a 27p prop and tops out near 80 at nearly the same RPM's as the Malibu doing just under 40mph and has nearly double the pitch). The only other question is do you have the power to turn it? In order to get there, the boost comes into play.

Here I eyeballed: http://www.powerblocktv.com/sites/bang4buck/0703/ and came up with a power table.

From my table you can see that in current stock form my boat makes around 220hp at 3450rpm where I cruise at 25mph. Even if I only gain 30% from 10psi I would only need to be spinning 2950rpm with the right prop to maintain that speed. 25mph is where my hull is the most efficient. The spot that makes this near impossible to determine is knowing my current fuel consumption curve. I only have two points. 25mph at 4.5gal/hr and 38mph at 32gal/hr. Since that curve looks far from linear it is hard to tell what drives it. One thing is for sure though, with a 40% gain in power I should be making around 340hp at 3700rpm instead of 5200rpm. This should mean that I'd be an awful lot closer to the 4gph than the 32gph (and then of course we adjust by 1.68x) which seems to me that it'd be more efficient where I am using it. So that being said I do think I will see both a top end improvement and efficiency improvement through lowering the rpms while running at a real cruising speed.

If I had more points on the actual consumption of my boat so I could determine a curve I could really dial this in including exactly how much boost to use for what prop and such...or so I think anyways.

Holy Shit Sean!

Your statement had me dream all night. Almost to the point where I was going to look to see where I could get a flowmeter for "demo" purposes to run on my gas line to really map out my usage. Obviously not worth that effort. Should just baseline and go from there.

That would be really thorough, lol.

[///M5 2,833]

If running at 24mph you use the supercharger and the prop to make it so that you turn 3500rpm with the s/c and 4500rpm with the n/a with the only changes being the tune and the boost wouldn't you expect the s/c application to use less gas?

24 isn't super arbitrary as it is the sweet spot for fuel economy on my hull

No because I know how hungry boosted vehicles are. Granted it may be different on water. That's a whole different animal, tune, and drag, so I may be wrong, but with a vehicle, if you are into the boost, you are using up a lot of fuel. Keep in mind you are forcing air in and compressing it where as the NA can only suck air in. The more air you have, the more fuel you need, so the blower is always going to need more fuel and a lot more.

I was summoned to bed about the time I read this, so you know what I thought about all night (well not the first 15 minutes).

Went through a huge calculation to "verify" things this morning, but am missing some information to really prove anything out. I have some conclusions however.

Currently my boat pulls:

5200rpm at 38mph using 32 gallons/hr

3420rpm at 25mph using 4 gallons/hr

Conveniently it is easy to calculate the different fuel used as the ideal gas law is linear. PV=nRT so if we increase the pressure x% we increase our oxygen intake the same and therefore assuming we keep the same fuel to 02 ratio we are golden. That being said going all the way up to 10psi of boost yields 1.68x the gas at the same RPM. (24.696/14.696).

Then the question becomes propulsion and can you pick a prop with the right pitch & diameter such that the rpm of the motor will change, but keep the boat speed the same. I am not a prop guy so I'll make the assumption that this is possible. I do know there are a crap ton of props and that mine has an extremely aggressive prop (14.25 pitch which means one revolution with no slip moves the boat forward 14.25inches - as a reference my bass boat has a 27p prop and tops out near 80 at nearly the same RPM's as the Malibu doing just under 40mph and has nearly double the pitch). The only other question is do you have the power to turn it? In order to get there, the boost comes into play.

Here I eyeballed: http://www.powerblocktv.com/sites/bang4buck/0703/ and came up with a power table.

From my table you can see that in current stock form my boat makes around 220hp at 3450rpm where I cruise at 25mph. Even if I only gain 30% from 10psi I would only need to be spinning 2950rpm with the right prop to maintain that speed. 25mph is where my hull is the most efficient. The spot that makes this near impossible to determine is knowing my current fuel consumption curve. I only have two points. 25mph at 4.5gal/hr and 38mph at 32gal/hr. Since that curve looks far from linear it is hard to tell what drives it. One thing is for sure though, with a 40% gain in power I should be making around 340hp at 3700rpm instead of 5200rpm. This should mean that I'd be an awful lot closer to the 4gph than the 32gph (and then of course we adjust by 1.68x) which seems to me that it'd be more efficient where I am using it. So that being said I do think I will see both a top end improvement and efficiency improvement through lowering the rpms while running at a real cruising speed.

If I had more points on the actual consumption of my boat so I could determine a curve I could really dial this in including exactly how much boost to use for what prop and such...or so I think anyways.

Holy Shit Sean!

Your statement had me dream all night. Almost to the point where I was going to look to see where I could get a flowmeter for "demo" purposes to run on my gas line to really map out my usage. Obviously not worth that effort. Should just baseline and go from there.

That would be really thorough, lol.

Exactly my problem. I have a hard time not being.

Of course part of this stems from the fact that this is the slowest boat I have ever owned.

[///M5 2,833]

Hoping Jacob's Neo's end up being the ticket. Going to build some different tower speakers over the winter and will mate with some compression drivers. Sick of some dumbass playing shitty music tied up and having his tower speakers on so everyone else has to listen to it.

Of course I will carry a few Black Flag albums and plenty of Opera. If they want to play, I'll play.

[///M5 2,833]

Pulled the stock rear ballast out of the boat today. 150lb hard tank out, 1100lb fat sac in

[///M5 2,833]

It now has MN registration as well. Fucking impossible to get that shit straight in the water, lol.

either way I'll pull it off this fall and re-do it as there was some residue from the previous adhesive that was a bitch to get off in the lake. Neighbors laughed at me as I was using a heatgun standing in the water. Guess it should have an anti-bathtub sticker on it too

[Luke.H 33]

If running at 24mph you use the supercharger and the prop to make it so that you turn 3500rpm with the s/c and 4500rpm with the n/a with the only changes being the tune and the boost wouldn't you expect the s/c application to use less gas?

24 isn't super arbitrary as it is the sweet spot for fuel economy on my hull

No because I know how hungry boosted vehicles are. Granted it may be different on water. That's a whole different animal, tune, and drag, so I may be wrong, but with a vehicle, if you are into the boost, you are using up a lot of fuel. Keep in mind you are forcing air in and compressing it where as the NA can only suck air in. The more air you have, the more fuel you need, so the blower is always going to need more fuel and a lot more.

I was summoned to bed about the time I read this, so you know what I thought about all night (well not the first 15 minutes).

Went through a huge calculation to "verify" things this morning, but am missing some information to really prove anything out. I have some conclusions however.

Currently my boat pulls:

5200rpm at 38mph using 32 gallons/hr

3420rpm at 25mph using 4 gallons/hr

Conveniently it is easy to calculate the different fuel used as the ideal gas law is linear. PV=nRT so if we increase the pressure x% we increase our oxygen intake the same and therefore assuming we keep the same fuel to 02 ratio we are golden. That being said going all the way up to 10psi of boost yields 1.68x the gas at the same RPM. (24.696/14.696).

Then the question becomes propulsion and can you pick a prop with the right pitch & diameter such that the rpm of the motor will change, but keep the boat speed the same. I am not a prop guy so I'll make the assumption that this is possible. I do know there are a crap ton of props and that mine has an extremely aggressive prop (14.25 pitch which means one revolution with no slip moves the boat forward 14.25inches - as a reference my bass boat has a 27p prop and tops out near 80 at nearly the same RPM's as the Malibu doing just under 40mph and has nearly double the pitch). The only other question is do you have the power to turn it? In order to get there, the boost comes into play.

Here I eyeballed: http://www.powerblocktv.com/sites/bang4buck/0703/ and came up with a power table.

From my table you can see that in current stock form my boat makes around 220hp at 3450rpm where I cruise at 25mph. Even if I only gain 30% from 10psi I would only need to be spinning 2950rpm with the right prop to maintain that speed. 25mph is where my hull is the most efficient. The spot that makes this near impossible to determine is knowing my current fuel consumption curve. I only have two points. 25mph at 4.5gal/hr and 38mph at 32gal/hr. Since that curve looks far from linear it is hard to tell what drives it. One thing is for sure though, with a 40% gain in power I should be making around 340hp at 3700rpm instead of 5200rpm. This should mean that I'd be an awful lot closer to the 4gph than the 32gph (and then of course we adjust by 1.68x) which seems to me that it'd be more efficient where I am using it. So that being said I do think I will see both a top end improvement and efficiency improvement through lowering the rpms while running at a real cruising speed.

If I had more points on the actual consumption of my boat so I could determine a curve I could really dial this in including exactly how much boost to use for what prop and such...or so I think anyways.

Holy Shit Sean!

Your statement had me dream all night. Almost to the point where I was going to look to see where I could get a flowmeter for "demo" purposes to run on my gas line to really map out my usage. Obviously not worth that effort. Should just baseline and go from there.

That would be really thorough, lol.

Exactly my problem. I have a hard time not being.

Of course part of this stems from the fact that this is the slowest boat I have ever owned.

Good problem to have. Is the Bu really that slow? Those boats don't haul ass by any means but I've never felt an overwhelming urge to really open one up. It'll do around 35 won't it?

[///M5 2,833]

ALMOST went barefooting this weekend. Have only skied 3x in the past 15 years and tore it up major on Saturday. Sunday morning it was gorgeous and I was about to go kill myself (ie fall at 40mph) and then had the revelation that after abusing my body on the sky all day Saturday I really didn't have the strength to use my flippy floppies as skies.

[Luke.H 33]

Hoping Jacob's Neo's end up being the ticket. Going to build some different tower speakers over the winter and will mate with some compression drivers. Sick of some dumbass playing shitty music tied up and having his tower speakers on so everyone else has to listen to it.

Of course I will carry a few Black Flag albums and plenty of Opera. If they want to play, I'll play.

Black Flag? You?

[///M5 2,833]

It'll do around 38mph....but I am coming off a near 80mph boat. It feels like its CRAWLING.

[///M5 2,833]

Fucking planes NOW though

[Luke.H 33]

Pulled the stock rear ballast out of the boat today. 150lb hard tank out, 1100lb fat sac in

hell yes. Now you'll really be able to enjoy that boat for what it was made for. Good wake makes all the difference

[///M5 2,833]

Hoping Jacob's Neo's end up being the ticket. Going to build some different tower speakers over the winter and will mate with some compression drivers. Sick of some dumbass playing shitty music tied up and having his tower speakers on so everyone else has to listen to it.

Of course I will carry a few Black Flag albums and plenty of Opera. If they want to play, I'll play.

Black Flag? You?

Not to listen to, to piss people off with. And of course only to teach them a lesson and in retaliation.

I used to be a Sound Engineer, but also the manager of the bar I worked at. When we closed I had to stay until people left. I found the easiest way to get people to leave was to play Black Flag so loud that they couldn't talk. Usually took less than 5 minutes to empty the bar. Fuck yelling last call and gtfu out a bunch. Black Flag baby.

And yes, used to be a huge Rollins nut. Fun to watch live that is for sure.

[Luke.H 33]

I went skiing too. Gave slalom a good effort and managed to get up a couple of times on one ski from a deep water start. I'm only 20 and I was sore as hell the next morning.

[///M5 2,833]

Pulled the stock rear ballast out of the boat today. 150lb hard tank out, 1100lb fat sac in

hell yes. Now you'll really be able to enjoy that boat for what it was made for. Good wake makes all the difference

It was already enough for wakeboarding, just not surfing. Now it should do that too. If not another 400lb in the left locker will solve that, but I thought I'd add that in stages as I don't really want to add another pump and switch and wire and that bs.

[///M5 2,833]

I went skiing too. Gave slalom a good effort and managed to get up a couple of times on one ski from a deep water start. I'm only 20 and I was sore as hell the next morning.

Sweet. Actually the first time I had ever skied in a dual boot. Took me three tries to get up, but again considering its been 3 years and only 3 times in 15 that isn't too bad. After that first try every time