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[lithium 358]

Honestly i don't give a fuck if someone is gay and in the military..

every homophobic politician that's in this keep saying shit like "what if we have to huddle for warmth" "do we have to bunk with gays". WHAT fucking person would go through BMT, Tech school, then go to war time JUST TO SNEAK A PEEK AT A STRAIGHT Man's DICK.

Does this make any fucking sense?

no

listened to my gf's dad make that argument at dinner the other night.. im glad she doesn't take after him.

as soon as the media drops this story it will be old news just like everything else in history...

[Godsmack 361]

Honestly i don't give a fuck if someone is gay and in the military..

every homophobic politician that's in this keep saying shit like "what if we have to huddle for warmth" "do we have to bunk with gays". WHAT fucking person would go through BMT, Tech school, then go to war time JUST TO SNEAK A PEEK AT A STRAIGHT Man's DICK.

Does this make any fucking sense?

no

My issue is limited to how people are going to react to it. I dont think we need the added stress of people being against it. For some people its religous, for some its how they were brought up, and others its personal.

I'll just say this man, its uncomfortable enough having to do a piss test with someone lookin at ur cock watching u try to piss in a little cup. Having another guy glaring at you when you hop out of a lukewarm shower beacuse there isnt much hot water, is not exactly the most comfortable feeling in the world.

Hell its bad enough when people try and talk while in the showers add in someone meat gazing, and its just awkward city.

I am not homophobic. I have been friends with a few homosexual men and women. Most of them were the most caring kind people I have ever known. Do I have a personal objection to serving with them in the military? No. Do I have a problem with them having a picture of them and their 'life partner' on their desk like most of us have the wife and/or kid? NO. My issue would only be is if they guys were bullshitting baout the chick they picked up this weekend and we had one of the homosexuals come up and start talking about slamming/being slammed by another guy. That for me is uncomfortable. But if we allow them to serve openly one of two things happen

1) We now have to FURTHER watch who is around when we have 'guy talk'

2) we have to endure they stories too........and I dont see that happening.

J

Question is... What stops them from looking already?

When you sign up they don't ask if your straight or gay.. they tell you to keep it to yourself.. Just because you're not out... doesn't mean you're not in the military..

1) Navy, part of paperwork is saying your not gay, never have been and never will be. So in all actuallity it is there on one branch.

2) Your right it they are serving and not out. The problem is when its allowed whats to stop them from making comments, or making people uncomfortable? If they dont segregate the straight showers from the gay showers, it has the potential to be as bad as if they had co-ed showers. I know that makes me sound homophobic, but I'll be damned if I havent learned alot about people's view points since I have been in.

I guess my main point is, if I cant get a look at the hott females getting naked to get in or out of the shower, then why can the gay guys get a view of my ass and or cock?

J

[Julian 641]

Honestly i don't give a fuck if someone is gay and in the military..

every homophobic politician that's in this keep saying shit like "what if we have to huddle for warmth" "do we have to bunk with gays". WHAT fucking person would go through BMT, Tech school, then go to war time JUST TO SNEAK A PEEK AT A STRAIGHT Man's DICK.

Does this make any fucking sense?

no

My issue is limited to how people are going to react to it. I dont think we need the added stress of people being against it. For some people its religous, for some its how they were brought up, and others its personal.

I'll just say this man, its uncomfortable enough having to do a piss test with someone lookin at ur cock watching u try to piss in a little cup. Having another guy glaring at you when you hop out of a lukewarm shower beacuse there isnt much hot water, is not exactly the most comfortable feeling in the world.

Hell its bad enough when people try and talk while in the showers add in someone meat gazing, and its just awkward city.

I am not homophobic. I have been friends with a few homosexual men and women. Most of them were the most caring kind people I have ever known. Do I have a personal objection to serving with them in the military? No. Do I have a problem with them having a picture of them and their 'life partner' on their desk like most of us have the wife and/or kid? NO. My issue would only be is if they guys were bullshitting baout the chick they picked up this weekend and we had one of the homosexuals come up and start talking about slamming/being slammed by another guy. That for me is uncomfortable. But if we allow them to serve openly one of two things happen

1) We now have to FURTHER watch who is around when we have 'guy talk'

2) we have to endure they stories too........and I dont see that happening.

J

Question is... What stops them from looking already?

When you sign up they don't ask if your straight or gay.. they tell you to keep it to yourself.. Just because you're not out... doesn't mean you're not in the military..

1) Navy, part of paperwork is saying your not gay, never have been and never will be. So in all actuallity it is there on one branch.

2) Your right it they are serving and not out. The problem is when its allowed whats to stop them from making comments, or making people uncomfortable? If they dont segregate the straight showers from the gay showers, it has the potential to be as bad as if they had co-ed showers. I know that makes me sound homophobic, but I'll be damned if I havent learned alot about people's view points since I have been in.

I guess my main point is, if I cant get a look at the hott females getting naked to get in or out of the shower, then why can the gay guys get a view of my ass and or cock?

J

I don't know why people/media make gay people to be horn dogs and as if they look at EVERYONE regardless of who/what they are as a sex idol..

I have many gay friends.. and for the most part they only hit on people who are gay.

the Air force never asked me anything of that sort.. they only asked about drug use, etc.

[nem 2,019]

Oh my! Sailer Jerry is treating me good tonite.

[///M5 2,833]

Want to go to bed but my girls birthday is tomorrow (midnight) and I figured I'd call her when it turns to midnight.

*makes whipping sound*

[///M5 2,833]

Republican Senators need to STFU already and pass the Zagroda bill; fucking dicks

damn straight. did you watch the daily show thursday night?

The daily show isn't news. It's like NBC, just some comedians making jokes to people who pretend to be smart enough to understand the jokes, but really just laugh on reflex.

regardless of your opinion on how funny the comedy is. your right the daily show isn't news. its fake news and entertainment. while the "Real News" is the joke. the punchline is that there's more accuracy from a fake new show in 30 mins then the whole 24 hour new cycle. its perfectly clear that at least the cable news channels have clear narratives as to what they decide is news worthy. fox being the best example.

The only real news is in print and the internet is killing that fast

[///M5 2,833]

Honestly i don't give a fuck if someone is gay and in the military..

every homophobic politician that's in this keep saying shit like "what if we have to huddle for warmth" "do we have to bunk with gays". WHAT fucking person would go through BMT, Tech school, then go to war time JUST TO SNEAK A PEEK AT A STRAIGHT Man's DICK.

Does this make any fucking sense?

no

My issue is limited to how people are going to react to it. I dont think we need the added stress of people being against it. For some people its religous, for some its how they were brought up, and others its personal.

I'll just say this man, its uncomfortable enough having to do a piss test with someone lookin at ur cock watching u try to piss in a little cup. Having another guy glaring at you when you hop out of a lukewarm shower beacuse there isnt much hot water, is not exactly the most comfortable feeling in the world.

Hell its bad enough when people try and talk while in the showers add in someone meat gazing, and its just awkward city.

I am not homophobic. I have been friends with a few homosexual men and women. Most of them were the most caring kind people I have ever known. Do I have a personal objection to serving with them in the military? No. Do I have a problem with them having a picture of them and their 'life partner' on their desk like most of us have the wife and/or kid? NO. My issue would only be is if they guys were bullshitting baout the chick they picked up this weekend and we had one of the homosexuals come up and start talking about slamming/being slammed by another guy. That for me is uncomfortable. But if we allow them to serve openly one of two things happen

1) We now have to FURTHER watch who is around when we have 'guy talk'

2) we have to endure they stories too........and I dont see that happening.

J

That is a societal problem you are describing. The US government and religious propaganda regarding our bodies has ruined our capability to be appropriately social. There should be no taboo about being naked, nor should anyone be ashamed of their body. It is so unhealthy it drives me nuts. Europe is light years ahead of us in this regard.

The ONLY person that it makes a difference to is the one that is insecure. Why do you care who you talk in front of, who you rub up against, or who see's you naked? If you do, it is only your insecurity that causes this.

J, this isn't a rip on you, but how we were raised. I understand completely your feelings, but the history of how those feelings were developed I despise. Our country is completely jacked when it comes to how we are so scared of being naked in front of other people it is just super unhealthy.

Last week I went to a Roman bath. I went with our President, the Head of Engineering, and some others. Not all were straight. There were also women there. No one stared, no one was uncomfortable and no one was wearing clothes. Completely natural to them, but I can guarantee that I am pretty much the only American in my company that would have felt okay in that situation.

I promise NOT to raise my son to be scared of his body and will condemn those that do.

[///M5 2,833]

i dont know if we have any musically inclined guys who frequent the HOP but if you are, im thinking about learning guitar... i've been thinking about it for quite a long time and im pretty determined to learn. im a big gamer and after seeing the new rock band game actually releasing a guitar through fender that is a working guitar as well as an actual controller (basically there are sensors along the neck of the guitar to detect your fingers)made me interested in giving it a try. trust me if i spent half the time i usually spend playing COD or halo on learning guitar it would not take long to learn at all..

of course the price is a bit ridiculous considering you need the guitar @ 280 bucks, game @ 30-40 bucks used, and a midi adapter @ 40 bucks.

im sure some of you might be turned off to the price but what are your opinions?

No game will teach you how to play. If you want to learn, start with classical.

The real question is long term what are your goals...

just looking to pick it up as a hobby, i'll continue doing it as long as its still entertaining to me. maybe it would be better to think of the game as a learning tool. the songs you play use the exact cords, etc as "real life".

my dad has a classical (or acoustic guitar) in the house somewhere, i would have to see if it is in working condition but it might make for a better starting point then 300 dollars in gear.

What do you want to play?

My reasoning for classical is a bit unfair. It is by far the hardest instrument to play in the world in that regard, but it will make it super easy to play ANY rock song. I took classical guitar lessons from the time I was 6 throughout high school. I never really held any other type of guitar until 8th grade, but within a week of dicking around on an axe I had picked up more songs than all the other "band" members in our school and was put on stage a week later. It was super easy to make the transition. Throughout high school & college, I played guitar in a stage band (big band covers), a Metallica cover band, a reggae band, a classic rock band, all with never really needing to practice anything. A few bouts through any song and I was fine....the exception being Jazz. Holy shit is comping chords fast hard and nearly exclusively the reason I listen to so much of it. Everything else is just simple. A Jazz start is better with classical though as you really need the theory. Had some fun in college too, took guitar/piano lessons from Ray Charles's pianist.

[///M5 2,833]

Honestly i don't give a fuck if someone is gay and in the military..

every homophobic politician that's in this keep saying shit like "what if we have to huddle for warmth" "do we have to bunk with gays". WHAT fucking person would go through BMT, Tech school, then go to war time JUST TO SNEAK A PEEK AT A STRAIGHT Man's DICK.

Does this make any fucking sense?

no

My issue is limited to how people are going to react to it. I dont think we need the added stress of people being against it. For some people its religous, for some its how they were brought up, and others its personal.

I'll just say this man, its uncomfortable enough having to do a piss test with someone lookin at ur cock watching u try to piss in a little cup. Having another guy glaring at you when you hop out of a lukewarm shower beacuse there isnt much hot water, is not exactly the most comfortable feeling in the world.

Hell its bad enough when people try and talk while in the showers add in someone meat gazing, and its just awkward city.

I am not homophobic. I have been friends with a few homosexual men and women. Most of them were the most caring kind people I have ever known. Do I have a personal objection to serving with them in the military? No. Do I have a problem with them having a picture of them and their 'life partner' on their desk like most of us have the wife and/or kid? NO. My issue would only be is if they guys were bullshitting baout the chick they picked up this weekend and we had one of the homosexuals come up and start talking about slamming/being slammed by another guy. That for me is uncomfortable. But if we allow them to serve openly one of two things happen

1) We now have to FURTHER watch who is around when we have 'guy talk'

2) we have to endure they stories too........and I dont see that happening.

J

Question is... What stops them from looking already?

When you sign up they don't ask if your straight or gay.. they tell you to keep it to yourself.. Just because you're not out... doesn't mean you're not in the military..

1) Navy, part of paperwork is saying your not gay, never have been and never will be. So in all actuallity it is there on one branch.

2) Your right it they are serving and not out. The problem is when its allowed whats to stop them from making comments, or making people uncomfortable? If they dont segregate the straight showers from the gay showers, it has the potential to be as bad as if they had co-ed showers. I know that makes me sound homophobic, but I'll be damned if I havent learned alot about people's view points since I have been in.

I guess my main point is, if I cant get a look at the hott females getting naked to get in or out of the shower, then why can the gay guys get a view of my ass and or cock?

J

You do realize it only bothers you because you let it. I could care less who see's me naked, it won't make me want to change what I like. And if it makes the looker happy, then so be it. Be happy.

[///M5 2,833]

<--obviously jet lagged. Had a shit ton of stuff to do and woke up at 3:30am and couldn't stop thinking about it so I got up.

[Julian 641]

<--obviously jet lagged. Had a shit ton of stuff to do and woke up at 3:30am and couldn't stop thinking about it so I got up.

That sucks Sean haha, I'm about ready to fall asleep

What kind of engineering do you do?

my dad's an electrical engineer with a focus in business management.

He's got a ton of experience with some big companies.. but he's having trouble finding a job.. but he's been getting freelance work every so often..

He did a ton of design work on Trains..

[///M5 2,833]

something I work on that we can talk about. Just finished doing a bunch of measurements on this:

[///M5 2,833]

<--obviously jet lagged. Had a shit ton of stuff to do and woke up at 3:30am and couldn't stop thinking about it so I got up.

That sucks Sean haha, I'm about ready to fall asleep

What kind of engineering do you do?

my dad's an electrical engineer with a focus in business management.

He's got a ton of experience with some big companies.. but he's having trouble finding a job.. but he's been getting freelance work every so often..

He did a ton of design work on Trains..

NVH Engineering, which is either acoustic or mechanical.

[///M5 2,833]

Or both

[topgun 262]

I've got a friend who worked on the mounting system for the rail gun and military lasers. Always fun to hear about projects like that.

[topgun 262]

I love railguns.

[dem beats 1,223]

Depends on the mixer.

exactly. I am a diet coke fan. Nothing mixes with rum as well to me.. other than some small batch colas.

Then again for sailor jerry, when I started drinking that it was str8 up. Usually bottle fed too. I used to say I was in search of a woman with SJ flavored nipples.

[dem beats 1,223]

Wish I had a bag of sweet dreams. All I have is adrenaline fueled drowsiness if that makes any sense.

I have been on the hunt for different flavors but always end up back at sweet dreams

If I dream I have the exclusive market on nightmares. I dream verry little though, my sleep sucks.

[topgun 262]

I mix SJ with coke, it is about the only time I will drink pop is with booze involved.

[dem beats 1,223]

Want to go to bed but my girls birthday is tomorrow (midnight) and I figured I'd call her when it turns to midnight.

happy mah fakkin burfdizzle.

[dem beats 1,223]

I don’t think someone should have to serve to be a politician. I think someone should have to do some form of civil service to vote though. Some way of supporting our military.

I was more saying that the military shouldn’t have social or civil climate rules made by a bunch of people who aren’t involved. They have their own legal system and executive system. They should have ultimate say in their legislative also. I think DADT is garbage. So are the homophobic people involved. But it’s not my job to make them feel the way I do, the moment I do that then I might as well step in line with them because I’m just as guilty.

We don’t need it to change to function. It’s not risking lives to keep DADT going. The brass doesn’t like it, and from my personal experiences the guys on the bottom don’t like it either. So if almost everyone involved doesn’t want it…..

I can see ur point on all this.

But my question is when you say the brass and the guys on the bottom dont like it, are you meaning the repeal or DADT period?

J

I'm saying that it seams neither those on top(from the news etc) or the enlisted and one officer I talked to wants DADT to stay.

[topgun 262]

[///M5 2,833]

Still working

[topgun 262]

Damn man. Leave some productivity for the rest of us.

[///M5 2,833]

Shit, not used to waking up at 3:30 and being productive. Sort of fun.